Paul&John

Hi!

So I dunno much about UK politics, is it a good or a bad thing that this guy stays there for another 5 years?

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Manfap

Probably better than Labour spunking the cash.
It would have been a labour/SNP deal, and after years of living in Spain, I can see that regional political parties are a terrible idea.

They think they are kings, and think only of making themselves rich and wasting money on vanity projects. (that of course they receive a backhander for.)

DVTimes

for porn, its bad as they look to bring in more bans.

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CurrentlySober

i find him arousing...

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Jel

he is no better or worse than anyone else who could be in charge of the UK as things stand today with regards to what politics is all about

Scott McD

They are all the same. Lying cunts.

So it makes no difference...

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NewNick

The biggest irony, the Scots handed the election to the Tories.

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evy97

Welcome to British democracy

UKIP get 13% of the popular vote (4m votes) = 1 seat

SNP 5% (1.5m votes) = 56 seats

Scots should prepare for another independence referendum

Paul&John

I have no idea how the election system works there, but I guess UKIP won in only one district (with huge majority), therefore they get only one seat...

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Shap

If you have money in the UK Cameron is

I can tell you amongst everyone I know there was a huge collective sigh of relief this morning when the results were announced.

arock10

He is the tax cuts for billionaires guy or is that only in the US?

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Manfap

An individual vote for the person you want, rather than letting a political party choose the 100 odd people they want to represent you?

They do that in Spain, so the government is full of cunts you cant get rid off.

In theory, if the people of some village in Oxford thought David Cameron an ass, he could lose his job. It's happened before to some pretty big politicians.

k0nr4d

We have proportional voting here and we cant get rid of the assholes no one wants either...

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evy97

But it is so wrong for a party likely to get the support of one in 10 voters to end up with only one out of 650 seats.

ianmoone332000

Shocking UKIP had millions of votes yet only translates to 1 seat. As for the tories, they have at least promised a referendum on our membership of Europe for 2017 so we might get lucky and get out of that and deal with immigration. Highly doubtful though. The tories will hold the referendum then campaign for us to stay in

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rogueteens

it will be a very loaded referendum - UKIP wanted the vote only for British people, the Tories will allow everyone to vote so that means a 10 million vote head-start for the pro-EU campaigners.

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rogueteens

(Although the pedantic in me wants to point out that its a map of GB not the UK as Northern Ireland isn't on it!)

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Shap

Not as much as the other guy wanted to run the rich out of london. The proposed changes he was talking about would have driven a lot of wealth out of london including possibly the banking sector itself (75% tax on bankers bonuses).

The UK is currently the top location in the world for wealthy people to move their wealth to. The labour party wanted to go after that money and try to tax it. The result would have been a mass exodus (much like france saw with Hollande). Not something the UK needs imo.

djroof

I think he told that british will vote to get out from economical EU...

Scott McD

Well we sure as hell weren't gonna vote Labour...

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Paul&John

Scots why do dislike Labours?

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Only idiots vote Labour, the sort of people who still think Labour stands for what it did when it was formed.

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Paul&John

Ah didnt knew that Btw I always mix up Tories with Tony (Blair) the Bush ass licker

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LetterTwenty7

he wants to repeal the fox hunting ban - so not good at all!
definitely a cunt for sure!

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roly

What your talking about is the non dom law where many rich people who live in the UK for years don't pay tax on their foreign earnings. the US doesn't have this law and nor does most other first world economies. so if they want the benefits of living in the UK long term they have to pay tax like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that. If they don't like it and don't want to pay their way no one's stopping them From going.

Shap

I understand that point of view. But do you realize how much money it brings into the UK? Don't kid yourself the UK benefits as much from this rule as the rich people bringing their money in.

arock10

Well that's a nice loophole. But considering the UK is crimping their economy pretty hard right now via austerity I can see why it came up

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15000 old people died of cold last winter. 10% of population at food banks.

Feudal system (it's 2015 FFS) toffs hunting animals like it's 1431.

Buy to let landlords so eager to exploit tenants, unaffordable real estate, no REAL
economy to speak off.

Might run out of electricity next winter.

Yes, that's the place to be....

Cherry7

The rich and the powerful had a little political theatre with all the media dis informing lying and frightening, and 20% of the stupid and corrupt voted for the nasty party.

They will now make the poorest and the weakest in society pay for the crisis caused by the richest and most corrupt.

The will also blame any social consequences on the evils of porn or UFOs or whatever...

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roly

Many of these people have lived in the UK all there life, but because their father was born in a foreign country they inherit the right to use this rule. That's just wrong. If they want the privalage oif living in the UK they should pay for it via tax like everyone else. No one knows how much would be generated by removing this rule. Some would move away but if they're not contributing their fair share its no great loss.

Jel

(edited to add: this is for the UK, I have zero knowledge of the system/process etc elsewhere )


only a complete and utter fucking spastic* still going on an inner belief system formed 20+ years ago, that was based on what their peers told them based on 20 years prior to THAT, thinks that in 2015 one party is for 'toffs' and another party is for the 'working man'.



Here's your 'working man' mentality:



Funny how not a peep was made about how 'unfair' it all was in 97,01,05, and being part of the coalition for the last 5 years since 2010. 20 years of labour and still somehow it's all the 'toffs' fault. what a bunch of fucking clowns the left really are... all politicians are wankers (pay peanuts, get monkeys) and ideaology is long gone by the time they hit parliament, but of those who DO vote, in a mistaken belief anything will ever change, those with left leanings take the cake for being moronic asshats.




*apologies to the genuinely mentally disabled who still have more brainpower than the whining cunts that can't stfu about how awful this democratic result is

Cherry7

Who the newspapers voted for!

70% of UK newspapers controlled by 3 wealthy families,

No democracy if the access to information is only controlled by the 1%.

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Shap

That is possible. I wasn't referring to those non doms. I was referring to non doms that specifically choose the UK because of their tax situation. I'm one of those people and I can tell you while I'm a non dom I still paid a very hefty tax bill and have contributed more than a small village of labour supporters to the overall economy. I'm not trying to be a dick but just pointing out that the non dom situation adds more to the UK bottomline than the headlines would have you believe.

Shap

It's like that everywhere. Media outlets have huge influence.

Manfap

You need to live abroad for a few years, you'll realise that the UK actually is pretty well run.

SvenGun

If I have a choice who I can choose between all prime ministers, my choice is Tony Blair

roly

i get where you're coming from. the trouble is that it's a very slippery slope to have one rule for the rich and another for everyone else. from what i've read, removing it would make a very minimal amount for the economy - just a few hundred million - as some would move away. however there would be a level playing field for everyone. also i'm not talking about genuine non-doms that are just based here for a couple of years, i'm talking abolut people that are permanently based here and just use this rule to dodge paying tax.

Shap

Shap

Make no mistake the majority of people on non dom are here because of the tax situation. You remove it and 90% are gone. You may say GREAT leave the UK we want a level playing field and they can leave if they aren't going to pay tax. But those same people are buying million pound homes, spending big dollars in restaurants and stores. Remove them from the economy and watch the unemployment rate sore and the establishments throughout the core of london struggle and maybe even shut down.

I agree Non doms do not contribute their fair share if you are comparing contribution as a percentage of wealth/income. But I would venture to say the average non dom contributes double what the average person contributes to the UK economy as a whole (tax plus economical benefit for the UK).

Jel

non doms (sorry Shap I'm gonna use you as an example here) take zero out of the economy, yet put a bunch in, Shap has bought a home, pays council tax on it, pays for water, gas, electric, buys his food, employs say a window cleaner and a gardener, puts money into the economy via restauarants, car purchases, petrol (and the insane tax included in that), clothes, entertainment, cabs, and no doubt a load more I can't think of off the top of my head - more than a ton of council estate chavs put together, but the problem is the non doms?

That right there is the crux of why the UK has gone to shit compared to 20 years ago. The mentality of those who want a 'level playing field' is right up there with the feminazis who want 'equal rights'... except what they want is punishment for anyone who isn't them, and whom they perceive to have an unfair advantage because they are too fucking stupid to realise the offsets

ps the 'toff' media bias was fine when it was the other 'team' they wanted to elect though wasn't it

Jel

roly

those buying million pound homes in london are just making london unaffordable for most people. that doesn't help anyone. and as far as "trickle down" ecconomics goes that's bullshit, why should an average worker pay 1/3 of his salary in tax and a wealthy person who can afford it pay nothing?

and as far as "Remove them from the ecconomy and watch the unemployment rate sore and the establishments throughout the core of london struggle and maybe even shut down." new york, LA, Paris, Barcelona aren't struggling and they don't have these antiquated tax rules that were setup 300 years ago and have no relevance now.

roly

lol not everyone is a counciul house chav, i may spend less than your average non dom but i have a window cleaner, buy food, gas eletric etc etc and take nothing in any sort of benefits. so are you saying i shouldn't pay tax also? we all drive on the same roads, have the same army defend us etc.

Manfap

non doms don't pay roadtax? hehe

I think a country should bend over backwards to get non doms.
They spend a shitload of money, and the majority of it is taxed through VAT.

If costs rise, they fuck off to Jersey or Switzerland.

You dont have to be a UK citizen/nondom to buy property in the UK. There's probably more empty housing owned by non residents, with interest rates so damn low, UK property is a great longterm investment.

The buy to let does need looking into.
I managed to buy a 20k flat in the early 90's for a 2 grand deposit and a mortgage of 70 quid a month. Rented it direct to the council for 400. I was making close to 20% a year on an appreciating asset. Sold the flat 8 years later for more than double what I paid.

The councils should be building more social housing rather than spending it on rent. But thats a local thing, it's not really the central governments fault.

Jel

I didn't say they were... I said non doms pay more into the economy than a bunch of chavs combined, and what's more, take nothing out.

And no I'm not saying that, I'm saying the offset for allowing the non doms is that in return for the tax breaks, we get a bunch more money pumped into our economy. No different to making sure your employees bring in more money than you pay them. You give them wages, pay a bunch of tax on your side for them, give them holidays, be flexible, dental/medical, and a bunch of other perks to make sure you get the cream of the crop, and in return you bring in more than you are laying out. There'll never be this utopia where everyone is equal, everyone earns the same, and so on and so on - that's the harsh reality of life, so when you can do something whereby you lose xxx,xxx in tax, but gain x,xxxx,xxx into the economy, you opt for the latter, to balance the books with the rest of the ins/outs of the country.

As usual though, it's people moaning about someone else's situation, rather than worrying about how to improve their own - it's the human condition and one that most people never grasp.

SekobA

I would say tes...if you ask me he can go for another 5years.

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