dyna mo

you think he deserves being denied access to affordable healthcare because he disagrees with the law. i get it. it doesn't matter to you that that is the legal way for him to have gone about it.

and again, you false analogy claim is false. i'm not going to trivialize my posts here by sorting you out on that. so feel free to think ya gotcha'd me. congrats on that too, really.

people are more than free to make comments on others. you'd spend a lot of time searching for a post of mine claiming that people don't have the right to speak their minds. again, you fail are realizing the dialogue going on here. no biggie, but again, don't expect me to explain basics to you.

Robbie

No they did not. If you look back at that time...the Republicans were raising hell because they were COMPLETELY locked out of the process.

Reid and Pelosi made ZERO concessions. You are citing misinformation based on speculation. What really happened was well documented nightly on the news and in every newspaper in the U.S.

Remember...the President also promised that the entire process would be broadcast live on CSPAN. Instead it went straight behind closed doors where DEMOCRATS cut all the deals with Pharma, Insurance, and Hospital Corp.'s

Rewriting history doesn't work. What happened is documented. And the results are here right now.

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2MuchMark

[QUOTE=crockett;20473337]Get used to it.. if you don't fit the profile of hard core wing bat conservative then you are liberal around here..[quote]

Amen.

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dyna mo

how many life-altering fatal diseases have you been diagnosed with and had to take life-changing action on?

TCLGirls

Yes, if he hates Obamacare, then he does not deserve Obamacare. All his medical treatment should be obtained outside Obamacare.

I don't think I "gotcha'd" you. I think you made a false analogy.

You said you won't point your finger. Don't expect others to take such a hands off approach when considering another's willful disregard for self responsibility.

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2MuchMark

What do you think about this guy?



Just asking, just asking..

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crockett

Why do you keep making excuses for this guy? He had EVERY opportunity to sign up for healthcare and didn't even after he knew he was sick he could have signed up. Why is it personal responsibility only matters when talking about inner city blacks?

TCLGirls

I already made a thread about my high blood pressure which is known as the "silent killer".

dyna mo

compassion comes from my being able to view the situation from a non-political perspective and strictly medical.

i don't give a shit what color this guy is, red or blue
i don't give a shit what he thinks of obamacare
i don't give a shit if he mishandled his reaction to his disease.
i don't give a shit if he missed a window of opportunity for affordable healthcare.

i do give a shit that he's fallen through the cracks of what madalton has pointed out- that this is supposedly a civilized health system when it's hardly civilized if it denies access and to top it off full of uncivilized viewpoints about this guy deserving what he's got.

dyna mo

wait, so you checking your blood pressure after neglecting it for a year only to find out it's high so your life-changing effort is to start a thread telling others to check their's? because you neglected your's? and that's you reaction to a diagnosis of a severe disease? you did get diagnosed with a disease right? and to top it all off, that makes it's OK for you to judge this guy.

again, i already got where you are coming.

TCLGirls

Our country's health system DID NOT deny the guy access to affordable health care.

It was his state's REPUBLICAN politicians who denied him access to affordable health care when they refused to extend the 2015 signup deadline.

TCLGirls

No, once I discovered my condition, my life changing effort was to go to the hospital to get on the correct medications and to correct my daily habits.

In contrast, the going-blind guy refused to sign up for Obamacare the moment he discovered his medical condition.

Robbie

Where did you read that the REPUBLICANS refused to extend the 2015 deadline?
All I saw was that they voted against bankrupting their state with the medicare expansion (because the Feds only pay for it the first few years...then it 100% becomes a burden on the state)

I think you might be mixing up the "enrollment deadline" (which shouldn't even exist) with "medicare expansion"
2 completely different issues.

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dyna mo

jtfc, give it rest tclgirls. i never fucking said what you are claiming here.

as i've stated at least 2x here unequivocally, i am looking at his medical condition regardless of his political views, or mine and certainly not your's.

the simple fucking fact is for whatthefuckever fucking reason, he's been denied access to AHA. he's fallen through the cracks and you think he deserves that.

TCLGirls

You are right on that, I confused the two, they are different.

dyna mo

which heart disease were you diagnosed with?

TCLGirls

I never said he deserves to fall through the cracks.

What I said was he deserves what he wanted. He wanted to pay all his medical bills by himself and no Obamacare. (Even now he blames Obama) So he deserves what he wanted...to pay all his medical bills by himself and no Obamacare.

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Sight is a luxury.

If you can't afford to keep it, you lose it. Simple

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TCLGirls

Thankfully none. You asked me what "life-altering fatal diseases" I have been diagnosed with. Hypertension causes life-altering fatal diseases.

dyna mo

that's some circular shit right there.

dyna mo

hopefully your hypertension will not lead you to having a fatal disease, if it does, here's some good reading on the 5 stages of accepting a chronic disease. it will provide you some insight on your journey of handling your disease

Five Stages of Accepting an Illness

2MuchMark

Actually I meant to thank you for that post. I get a checkup every year and this year while being just a little higher than normal, it made me be more careful in what I eat, and got me to exercise more. A friend of mind went in for a checkup and her BP was sky high too. She didn't tell me if the doctor freaked out or not but I know she changed her habits after finding out.

Thanks for sharing.

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TCLGirls

He deserves no Obamacare because he wanted no Obamacare. Nothing circular about that.

kane

I don't want him to go blind. I hope he gets the care he needs. What I don't like is that he is blaming everyone but himself for his issues. I think people would have a lot more sympathy for him if he had come out said, "I was stubborn and dumb and didn't take care of my medical needs. I also didn't get health insurance when I had the chance and now I am in a bad way." Instead he blames the liberals and Obama for his situation.

dyna mo

that's some circular shit you did with YOUR comments in this thread, not his sitch.

TCLGirls

My comments in this thread were all about his situation.

dyna mo

i just don't see that as a reason. again, the guy was diagnosed with a major chronic disease and combined with his personal beliefs is now denied access to affordable healthcare.

instead of pouncing on this guy, why not embrace the fact that regardless of creed, fucking aha should be accessible to even people that dislike obama.

i mean really, i simply completely and wholeheartedly disagree with making the focus of this about the guy's political beliefs.

madalton hit the nail on the head, regardless of this guy's political beliefs and mistakes taking responsibility for his medical condition, which by the way would in no way at all have guaranteed his not going blind, he should not be denied access to civilized affordable healthcare and he's certainly deserves access.

this is 2015, not 1520.

dyna mo

hey, heads-up, you JUST went off on a tangent commenting on my posts here- false analogies, etc, and even exclaiming i don't let others have their opinions.

you're going to have to step your debating skills up now that you think you can play at this level. no offense, just trying to help you so these little tangents you like to claim you don't go off on will be more fun and challenging for me.

TCLGirls

Tangential comments regarding your posts are off limits here? I didn't exclaim the you don't let others have their opinions. I asked you a question.

TCLGirls

His personal beliefs have nothing to do with the government refusing him access to Obamacare.

The government denied him Obamacare because he willfully missed the deadline.

When one signs up for Obamacare, the application does not ask about personal beliefs.

It is accessible to him....starting Oct 15. Hopefully he won;t miss the deadline again.

Well he can pay for his medical bills until Oct 15. That's what he wanted to do in the first place anyhow.

kane

The reason people can't separate them is that this guy is a victim of his own beliefs. If there was no Obamacare he would be in the exact same situation. The difference would be that he would have never had a chance to buy health insurance because no company would have sold it to him with diabetes.

I would love for every person to have access to affordable or free healthcare when they need it. This guy didn't want that and now he is finding out first hand what that world is like.

As I said, I think he should get the help he needs and I hope he does, but I don't think it is a bad thing for people to point out to him that he brought this shit on himself and maybe he should look in the mirror before blaming others.

TCLGirls

The wife even said that her husband should be in the "front of the line" to get Obamacare. She calls it the "Not Fair Health Care Act".

Are you freaking kidding me? He should be in the front of the line for a program that he hated, argued against, and did not even bother to sign up for when he had the chance? Yea right, its ABSOLUTELY FAIR. He wilfully missed the deadline. So he can signup whwn enrollment opens again in Oct 15. These aren't secret deadlines. Its all 100% FAIR.

dyna mo

yeah, i disagree with looking at someone getting a chronic disease as an opportunity to lambast them with ridicule couched as his missed chance for self-introspection. none of us know at all what self-reflection this person has done. maybe even less than we think, maybe a lot more. nevertheless, we would all be better served if this were looked at as an opportunity to fix a glitch in the system.

i get how people want to feel better about themselves by bitchslapping this guy, but really not only does that not help anything, it avoids the real issue- he was denied access to AHA at a time when he needed it.

dyna mo

• ObamaCare’s goal is to give more Americans access to affordable, quality health insurance and to reduce the growth in U.S. health care spending.

• The Affordable Care Act expands the affordability, quality, and availability of private and public health insurance through consumer protections, regulations, subsidies, taxes, insurance exchanges, and other reforms.

ObamaCare Facts: Facts on the Affordable Care Act


since the goal is to give more Americans access, and this guy was denied access, it seems to me that in order to achieve the goal, we would want to focus on fixing the lack of access for people like this guy, not pointing finger at him.

TCLGirls

We do know that back in December when he discovered his medical condition, his "self-reflection" prompted him to refuse Obamacare.

What "glitch"? The enrollment period dates were announced long ago.

Wrong. He denied himself access to AHA at a time when he needed it...which was back in December 2014 when enrollment was still open.

L-Pink

Insurance issues aside, I think the guy is a douche for not using any of the equity in his house to cover his own mistakes before he starts pointing blame and publicly begging.

But that's based on my own beliefs …..


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TCLGirls

Assuming he has any legitimate equity in his house...he probably tried that route and got shot down because of his inconsistent income.

dyna mo

look, i get your need to point your finger at this guy, i've already made that clear.

so that means i get your lack of ability to realize that no one should be denied access the affordable healthcare, especially in a time of serious need.

again, i get you don't care about this guy missing his chance.

again, i get that you do not care about this guy missing his chance at affordable health care coverage of his medical bills, on account of, you know, the enrollment dates were public info.


that's your logic and you're entitled to it, don't expect sell me on it.

kane

Let's put it like this. Say I purposely choose not to wear a seatbelt while in a car. One afternoon I am involved in an accident. I'm thrown from the car and badly hurt. Do I not deserve medical care because I chose not to wear a seatbelt? No, not at all. I should get that medical care. However, is it not fair to have someone then say to me, "Look, had you been wearing your seatbelt you wouldn't have been hurt nearly as bad. You made a poor choice and I hope you will choose differently in the future."?


I did a quick search and found this

SC man will get sight-saving surgery as liberal donors chip in | The Charlotte Observer The Charlotte Observer

It is a story done about him since this all went viral. In it he still blames the government , but he acknowledges it is the state as well as the feds that failed him. He also says he has learned some things including that he should have taken better care of himself and he should have gotten health insurance when he could.

So maybe all of this has helped him have some of that introspection. He will get the surgery he needs and he might just change his mind about a few things. No harm in that.

dyna mo

if anyone is confused, i get that tclgirls thinks this guy does not deserve to have eyesight on account of this guy not agreeing with the law and missing the enrollment window.

TCLGirls

I never claimed that the government should deny him affordable health care. The government should allow him access to Obamacare...even though he does not deserve it.

The fact is he denied himself affordable healthcare.

TCLGirls

I never said this guy deserves to be blind. I said he deserves what he wanted...which was no Obamacare.

dyna mo

exactly. there is no harm in any of that. that's where i've been coming from. he was diagnosed with a chronic disease, reacted to it in textbook fashion- following the 5 stages of accepting a chronic disease, including denial and ultimately acceptance.

none of the mean-spirited comments had anything to do with that.

dyna mo

he ultimately realized he wanted/needed affordable healthcare. obamacare would have given him the medical coverage to pay for repairing his eyes, which he could not afford, ergo, he would not be able to get the procedures to keep his eyesight without obamacare-> you don't care if he goes blind.

you really shouldn't back down from your positions. i mean really, embrace the fact that you think "fuck this guy, he deserves what he gets or doesn't get." you're trying to come across as serious here, so seriously you should know that no obamacare for this guy meant no medical attention to stop him from going blind.

you've beat around the bush about that for quite a few posts.

TCLGirls

Losing eyesight due to diabetes takes years. It wasn't like he was diagnosed with diabetes just this past December. How long does it take someone to go through the 5 stages of accepting a diabetes diagnosis? When a doctor says that diabetes is causing one to lose his/her eyesight, how long should it take to accept that fact?

L-Pink

I feel sorry for a lot of people. In fact I feel sorry for most of the people on GFY lol. This guy I feel more of a WTF were you thinking? This is someone who from what I've read has refused to pay for any type of heath insurance ever.

He knew he had diabetes and not only did he not quit smoking he also DECIDED to not get health insurance. The minute he found out he had diabetes he should have taken whatever steps necessary to protect himself and his family. He should have jumped for joy Obama care existed and covered his pre-existing condition.

Hate Obama all you want but if you're drowning and he throws you a life-preserver take it!

Yes, Dyna Mo he should have insurance, technically he broke the law not having insurance. But what's next, his wife begging for money when he dies and leaves her with no way to live and keep their house because he doesn't have life insurance either?


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dyna mo

you have literally no idea what you are talking about. again.

TCLGirls

He was already out of work on December 2014. So by then he already realized he needed affordable healthcare. He denied himself such healthcare. If people deny themselves the things they need, why is there a burden for anyone else to care about that? It's not like he was mentally deficient and thus needed supervision.

I haven't back down form my position. I still think he does not deserve Obamacare because he was initially against it. And even now he blames Obama for it. Legally, he is still entitled to it.

Once he admits that he is in favor of Obamacare, and stops blaming Obama for his own mistakes, then I will say he deserves Obamacare.

dyna mo

you make it seem like obamacare and stopping smoking would have magically kept this guy from developing eye problems.

on top of putting your own timeline on someone's handling their receiving a chronic disease diagnosis.