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Old 05-20-2015, 07:14 PM   #1
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So much for that global warming scare

Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat - Forbes
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Key words... = "SEA ICE" Attempt to mis-lead the gullible "success"

Nice try by some GW denier, trying to spin what the report is about and of course Baddog is one of the first to take the bone.


The guy whom wrote the article.. name is James Taylor.. In his bio linked to this very article he sates "I am senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News."


The Heartland Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.



YEY heads are exploding.. the heads of Baddog and onewebcam


Once again we see how right wingtards attempt to mislead the willingly gullible (Baddog & onewebcam) because they know these types of people are too stupid to fact check anything and will believe anything which makes them feel like they were right all along.


The funny part will be to see how many of the other GFY right wingers jump in this topic to say told yea so.. told yea so, with out reading a damn thing.
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But man is bigger than Mother Earth I heard? Smh
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Key words... = "SEA ICE" Attempt to mis-lead the gullible "Fail"

Nice try at some GW denier trying to spin what the report is about and of course Baddog is one of the first to take the bone.


The guy whom wrote the article.. name is James Taylor.. In his bio linked to this very article he sates "I am senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News."


The Heartland Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.



YEY heads are exploding.. the head of Baddog and onewebcam


Once again we see how right wingtards attempt to mislead the willingly gullible (Baddog & onewebcam) because they know these types of people are too stupid to fact check anything and will believe anything which makes them feel like they were right all along.


The funny part will be to see how many of the other GFY right wingers jump in this topic to say told yea so.. told yea so, with out reading a damn thing.
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Key words... = "SEA ICE" Attempt to mis-lead the gullible "success"

Nice try by some GW denier, trying to spin what the report is about and of course Baddog is one of the first to take the bone.


The guy whom wrote the article.. name is James Taylor.. In his bio linked to this very article he sates "I am senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News."


The Heartland Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.



YEY heads are exploding.. the heads of Baddog and onewebcam


Once again we see how right wingtards attempt to mislead the willingly gullible (Baddog & onewebcam) because they know these types of people are too stupid to fact check anything and will believe anything which makes them feel like they were right all along.


The funny part will be to see how many of the other GFY right wingers jump in this topic to say told yea so.. told yea so, with out reading a damn thing.

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Always best to get the real science from the real scientists doing the real research, at NASA:

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence


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Global warming you can believe or not depending upon your party affiliation.

If you think 7.5 billion people and their pollutions, industry, automobiles, farting cows, strip mining etc... has no affect on the earth whatsoever you are in denial...

Forget global warming and think about this..... two words 'Ocean Acidification"

Ever had a fish tank that the pH balance gets to acidic? = DEAD FISH!!!

Oceans Turning Acidic Faster than Past 300 Million Years | Carbon Dioxide & Climate Change | Extinctions

What is Ocean Acidification?

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Science is there if you want to look.
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i like the "after all": they are doing politics with this idea...
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Global warming you can believe or not depending upon your party affiliation.

If you think 7.5 billion people and their pollutions, industry, automobiles, farting cows, strip mining etc... has no affect on the earth whatsoever you are in denial...

Forget global warming and think about this..... two words 'Ocean Acidification"

Ever had a fish tank that the pH balance gets to acidic? = DEAD FISH!!!

Oceans Turning Acidic Faster than Past 300 Million Years | Carbon Dioxide & Climate Change | Extinctions

What is Ocean Acidification?

Ocean acidification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Science is there if you want to look.
No one should ever just believe something based on their "party affiliation". It's sad so many people are so fucking gullible that all it's takes is a headline for them to believe it.

It took me 1 paragraph to realize the guy writing that article was full of shit when he tried to use a study about sea ice as proof the ice caps aren't melting. It then took another 2 mins to look up his credentials and find out he is just a talking head for a right wing GW denial group. All of this info was found with in a few clicks with very little effort..

Yet guys like Baddog wont take 2 mins to understand the truth, because he is telling them exactly what he wants to hear.
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crockett: You're making it more complicated than it has to be. It could all be summed up by one sentence.

"Baddog is an idiot"
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crockett: You're making it more complicated than it has to be. It could all be summed up by one sentence.

"Baddog is an idiot"
I do tend to over explain things..
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It's sad how Forbes has gone from a respectable magazine to a blog that almost anyone can get an account to post on.

They also do a horrible job of distinguishing between what has been written by staff (and fact checked), and that of which is written by a "contributor." That is probably by design.
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It's sad how Forbes has gone from a respectable magazine to a blog that almost anyone can get an account to post on.

They also do a horrible job of distinguishing between what has been written by staff (and fact checked), and that of which is written by a "contributor." That is probably by design.
It's pretty fucked TBH.. If you look at this guy's other articles on Fobes they are just as bad as this one, so it's not like Forbes cares about the content quality it seems they are only after ad views their bloggers can achieve.
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LOL! It doesn't matter how much evidence comes out to refute alarmists...They always have the same song and dance: "Oh those facts don't count because that guy who wrote it likes Republicans".

Of course they leave out the part that THEIR guys all vote for Democrats.

It would be funny to watch...if guys like crockett and ********** weren't so unflinching in their religious-fervor belief in whatever they are told by science funded by companies making money off of "green energy".

But as I keep saying...the only thing that will be affected by what happens next will be our wallets.

Listened to Pres. Obama today telling a graduating class of Coast Guard cadets that man-made "climate change" (he wouldn't say global warming because the weather might change again lol) was now a matter of "national security".

No, not "national security" because of the world ending....but "national security" because the military needs to be ready to put down all the citizens who would end up starving and fighting. lol
He actually said this: "The military has to be ready for what's coming" Not: "The military needs to be cut back and it's HUGE carbon emissions stopped"

He then said it wasn't going "to be easy" "We all must sacrifice" to cut down carbon emissions.

All I could think when I heard that was...Pres. Obama isn't going to have a tough time at all. And he won't be "sacrificing" ANYTHING. He will continue to ride on private planes and big limousines. He will continue to have our military emit more carbon than every citizen COMBINED.
And while he expects us all to "sacrifice"...he will be leaving the White House for his brand new multi-million dollar mansion on the beach in Hawaii.

Nope, there will be NO sacrifice in any politician's households.

It's just the rest of us who must "sacrifice". Typical of the elite ruling class.

They claim to "care" about the normal people and especially the poor. And then they make sure to empty our wallets of whatever money we have left while THEY live like Kings and Queens.
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LOL! It doesn't matter how much evidence comes out to refute alarmists...They always have the same song and dance: "Oh those facts don't count because that guy who wrote it likes Republicans".

Of course they leave out the part that THEIR guys all vote for Democrats.

It would be funny to watch...if guys like crockett and ********** weren't so unflinching in their religious-fervor belief in whatever they are told by science funded by companies making money off of "green energy".

But as I keep saying...the only thing that will be affected by what happens next will be our wallets.

Listened to Pres. Obama today telling a graduating class of Coast Guard cadets that man-made "climate change" (he wouldn't say global warming because the weather might change again lol) was now a matter of "national security".

No, not "national security" because of the world ending....but "national security" because the military needs to be ready to put down all the citizens who would end up starving and fighting. lol
He actually said this: "The military has to be ready for what's coming" Not: "The military needs to be cut back and it's HUGE carbon emissions stopped"

He then said it wasn't going "to be easy" "We all must sacrifice" to cut down carbon emissions.

All I could think when I heard that was...Pres. Obama isn't going to have a tough time at all. And he won't be "sacrificing" ANYTHING. He will continue to ride on private planes and big limousines. He will continue to have our military emit more carbon than every citizen COMBINED.
And while he expects us all to "sacrifice"...he will be leaving the White House for his brand new multi-million dollar mansion on the beach in Hawaii.

Nope, there will be NO sacrifice in any politician's households.

It's just the rest of us who must "sacrifice". Typical of the elite ruling class.

They claim to "care" about the normal people and especially the poor. And then they make sure to empty our wallets of whatever money we have left while THEY live like Kings and Queens.
Robbie, did you take 2 seconds to read what I posted? This guy has taken a report about Sea Ice and trying to use it to talk about the polar ice caps. It's entirely different things..

Also this guy is a conservative lobbyist who's speciality is Global Warming Denial.. yet you think it's us whom are "alarmist" and of course mis-informed. Not this idiot whom is misleading you with bullshit.

Stop reading titles which confirm what you want to hear and then believing it as fact, with out "READING" the facts.
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Robbie, did you take 2 seconds to read what I posted? This guy has taken a report about Sea Ice and trying to use it to talk about the polar ice caps. It's entirely different things..

Also this guy is a conservative lobbyist who's speciality is Global Warming Denial.. yet you think it's us whom are "alarmist" and of course mis-informed. Not this idiot whom is misleading you with bullshit.

Stop reading titles which confirm what you want to hear and then believing it as fact, with out "READING" the facts.
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Robbie, did you take 2 seconds to read what I posted? This guy has taken a report about Sea Ice and trying to use it to talk about the polar ice caps. It's entirely different things..

Also this guy is a conservative lobbyist who's speciality is Global Warming Denial.. yet you think it's us whom are "alarmist" and of course mis-informed. Not this idiot whom is misleading you with bullshit.

Stop reading titles which confirm what you want to hear and then believing it as fact, with out "READING" the facts.
Seems I remember plenty of pictures of melting sea ice being used by your side. So I guess now it's only about the caps?

Global Warming Effects on Sea Ice

Climate Change Impact on Sea Ice Decline | Weather Underground

Consequences of Global Warming - Global Warming Effects | NRDC

Lookie there. Only just a few links of sea ice alarmists..
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Seems I remember plenty of pictures of melting sea ice being used by your side. So I guess now it's only about the caps?

Global Warming Effects on Sea Ice

Climate Change Impact on Sea Ice Decline | Weather Underground

Consequences of Global Warming - Global Warming Effects | NRDC

Lookie there. Only just a few links of sea ice alarmists..
Of course...it's the typical alarmists bullshit.
When something fits crockett's agenda it is "science". When it doesn't? It's some kind of right-wing bullshit.

Just like alarmists talk about the weather: "Oh look at the droughts, look at hurricanes, ALL caused by man-made global warming"

But then when you say: "Hey...look we just had the coldest winter on record"
THEN they say: "Local weather has nothing to do with it! You don't understand SCIENCE"



The sheer stupidity is awesome.
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No one should ever just believe something based on their "party affiliation". It's sad so many people are so fucking gullible that all it's takes is a headline for them to believe it.

It took me 1 paragraph to realize the guy writing that article was full of shit when he tried to use a study about sea ice as proof the ice caps aren't melting. It then took another 2 mins to look up his credentials and find out he is just a talking head for a right wing GW denial group. All of this info was found with in a few clicks with very little effort..

Yet guys like Baddog wont take 2 mins to understand the truth, because he is telling them exactly what he wants to hear.
You know what I read when I saw the title "Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat - Forbes" ?

Click bait.

I'm starting to realize that a some news (and all "news") organizations now care less about what they report, but how they report it. If they get you to click, get you to comment, get you to tweet or retweet, they are happy, regardless of the damage they cause.


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LOL! It doesn't matter how much evidence comes out to refute alarmists...They always have the same song and dance: "Oh those facts don't count because that guy who wrote it likes Republicans".
That's so weird that you say that because I have exactly, exactly, the opposite position as you do.

From my point of view, I see republicans refute all alarmists, and republicans always seem to have the same song and dance. "Facts don't count because so and so said it", etc.

Please don't get me wrong - I'm not picking on you for this. I believe that you believe what you believe. I'm just fascinated by what seems to be a true polar opposite here.

I really hope you come to Qwebec Expo this summer because I really want to have a beer with you. We need to talk politics and green energy and guns and all that stuff. No fighting, no dismissing the other person - just fun talk. Maybe we can invite Rochard and Crockette and Sarahteh too. What a conversation that would be, geezuz...!

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LOL! at **********!!!

Show me the "Republicans" saying that "facts don't matter because 'so and so' said it"

And I would say I can show you in almost every post that you have ever made about a study refuting the alarmists position that it's not "fact" because of who wrote it.

The funny thing is...you honestly believe that you don't do that. lol
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I believe that you believe what you believe. I'm just fascinated by what seems to be a true polar opposite here.
Brother, YOU are the one who "believes" things. I DON'T.

I'm looking for action from the govt. that is equal to the supposed threat. I don't see ANYTHING being done on that level.
It's all about making money.

Nobody is being mobilized.

Hell, just look at the "bailout" money. That TRILLION dollars could have been used to put solar panels on every home in the United States.

It wasn't. It was used to bail out banks.

You see...THAT was real and important.

"Climate Change"? Not so much.
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LOL! at **********!!!

Show me the "Republicans" saying that "facts don't matter because 'so and so' said it"
You remember this, right?



NASA and NOAA found out that 2014 was the warmest year on record. But Senator Inhofe doesn't believe the facts, despite the fact that the facts came from these science agencies, and thinks that a snowball in his back yard is proof that they are wrong.


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The funny thing is...you honestly believe that you don't do that. lol
That's my point. I don't believe that I do it. From my point of view, I think that you do it but don't believe or realize it. From your point of view, you believe the exact opposite.

What crocket said though, is right. There is a difference between sea ice and arctic ice, and understanding it helps towards understand the GW concerns.
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You know what I read when I saw the title "Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat - Forbes" ?

Click bait.

I'm starting to realize that a some news (and all "news") organizations now care less about what they report, but how they report it. If they get you to click, get you to comment, get you to tweet or retweet, they are happy, regardless of the damage they cause.


I used to use ABCnews.com as my main source online. However over time it just seemed like they were dramatizing everything to get views. It was like watching Fox news, so I started using CBSnews.com because they didn't seem too bad..

Yet here again it's the exact same shit once again..

Today for example, I open up CBSnews.com the top story was about the US & China pissing on each other..

This picture was used for the article..



Sorry that's the only version I could still find online.. Notice it's just a picture of a plane, no fancy stuff.


An hour or two later I check back and now they have "improved" the picture for better views it seems.. They have now over-layered Evil Chinese communist stars, to spice it up.




It's getting to the point you can't even get quality news from anywhere as they are all just after the advertising dollars and use click bait for the views..
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mark prince showing a congressman saying that man made global warming is BULLSHIT isn't saying he is ignoring facts.

He is saying that the "Facts" are made up b.s. Just as they have been every time over the last 40 years of this alarmists money scam.

You see...when someone stands up and says that cyclical climate change is naturally occurring, you call it denying the "facts"

NO...YOU are denying the history of the Earth.
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Global Warming ‘Pause’ Extends to 17 Years 11 Months | Climate Depot

Looks like it's been 19 years since we have seen the temperature change, I'm comfortable
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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I'm still trying to get over the similar hysteria that we were going into another ice age when I was little.
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I think Climate Change is a failed Global warming or just another name to regulate business that pollutes more
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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who in this thread does NOT curb their own pollution and try their best to keep their side of the street clean?
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who in this thread does NOT curb their own pollution and try their best to keep their side of the street clean?
back when I built elevators, I think I must have recycled 20 tons of steel after work. I've done a lot of recycling over the years. I liked the cash!
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back when I built elevators, I think I must have recycled 20 tons of steel after work. I've done a lot of recycling over the years. I liked the cash!
exactly. that's what makes the libtards struggling and needing every fucking one to agree with them in a debate fucking retarded.

then when you don't agree with them that the science is settled, they point their fucked-up finger at you and claim you are a part of the pollution problem. all while they drink california water out of single serving plastic containers, flick ciggarette butts into the street while buying new cars loaded up with li-ion batteries.
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The world is getting cooler not warmer.
Thank you for bringing facts and sanity to an otherwise brainless discussion on the topic.

I think the graphic below sums the entire situation up rather nicely:

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I wonder how much faked data and unfulfilled predictions have to be seen before the left admits that they were duped by politicians making a fortune off their dopiness?
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mark prince showing a congressman saying that man made global warming is BULLSHIT isn't saying he is ignoring facts.

He is saying that the "Facts" are made up b.s. Just as they have been every time over the last 40 years of this alarmists money scam.

You see...when someone stands up and says that cyclical climate change is naturally occurring, you call it denying the "facts"

NO...YOU are denying the history of the Earth.
Hi Robbie,

You missed the point. Republican Senator Inhofe denying nasa and substituting his own "facts" by way of a snowball, was my answer to your question about Republicans and how facts don't matter to them. And unfortunately, The Senator's science denial is typical, not an exception.

And no I'm not denying the history of the earth, and neither is Nasa or Noaa. The history of the earth's climate reinforces the truth that things are changing very quickly now.
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**********...you are acting ignorant.

The Earth's climate has changed MUCH more quickly in the past.
Take the Sahara Desert. It was once lush grasslands and there are prehistoric drawings made by ancient man of people living there and hunting and growing food.

The climate changed and it turned to desert VERY quickly.

You either didn't pay attention in school, or you are willfully "forgetting" what you were taught so you can jump onboard the insane alarmists bandwagon.
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Hi Robbie,

You missed the point. Republican Senator Inhofe denying nasa and substituting his own "facts" by way of a snowball, was my answer to your question about Republicans and how facts don't matter to them. And unfortunately, The Senator's science denial is typical, not an exception.
He wasn't "denying" science. He was SHOWING it to you by using a prop.

You and other alarmists are the ones in denial that you are being used by the powers that be to spread a false alarm about something that is a money maker for them.
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mark prince showing a congressman saying that man made global warming is BULLSHIT isn't saying he is ignoring facts.

He is saying that the "Facts" are made up b.s. Just as they have been every time over the last 40 years of this alarmists money scam.

You see...when someone stands up and says that cyclical climate change is naturally occurring, you call it denying the "facts"

NO...YOU are denying the history of the Earth.
How can you not question yourself on your beliefs when you jumped right into this topic, believing what the article said despite it being bullshit?

You have shown in this topic, that you will believe something biased on the title if it's something that agrees with your predetermined beliefs. (ie if they tell you what you want to hear you believe it)

How can you trust your own judgment when you are blatantly wrong in this topic? Much more you completely ignore all evidence which tells you that you are wrong, then go on your typical ranting on how the rest of us are all getting scammed..
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No one, anywhere, ever in modern history has argued the climate is not getting warmer - so a term like "global warming denier" is disingenuous , dishonest and misleading at best. The climate has been warming for eons and that is learned in elementary school science.
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No one, anywhere, ever in modern history has argued the climate is not getting warmer - so a term like "global warming denier" is disingenuous , dishonest and misleading at best. The climate has been warming for eons and that is learned in elementary school science.
Hey look over here...

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How can you not question yourself on your beliefs when you jumped right into this topic, believing what the article said despite it being bullshit?
I don't "believe" anything. I KNOW the earth's climate changes. I paid attention in school.

And just because YOU say it's bullshit (just like EVERYTHING that doesn't agree with you) doesn't make it bullshit.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else see a direct correlation between climate change deniers and IQ. And no deniers, this is not a compliment.
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How can you trust your own judgment when you are blatantly wrong in this topic? Much more you completely ignore all evidence which tells you that you are wrong, then go on your typical ranting on how the rest of us are all getting scammed..
You are describing EXACTLY what you are doing. I guess you are projecting your own fervent belief in the opposite way onto me.

Sorry crockett, I see this whole thing for what it is: You and ********** trying to make yourselves feel better about yourselves.

You can't do a damn thing about the earth's climate.

And even IF mankind could somehow change the weather on the Earth by CO2...then it still wouldn't change ANYTHING if we all stopped driving cars tomorrow.
As long as the govt. sends out just ONE aircraft carrier it will emit more carbon that all of our cars.

So give it a rest. You guys are a couple of blowhards.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else see a direct correlation between climate change deniers and IQ. And no deniers, this is not a compliment.
it's just you assuming you know people's IQs and that IQ matters.
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