Should America ban the Confederate Flag? - GoFuckYourself.com

CDSmith · 06-22-2015, 09:30 AM

This question is being bandied about right now around various media centers. That guy you all love Bill Maher posed the question to his guest panel recently and the consensus was both for and against banning.

Many African-Americans seem to feel that it should.

White southerners defend it. White northerners (some) say it's a symbol of treason.

What say you?

MrBottomTooth · 06-22-2015, 10:24 AM

I don't think it should be outright banned, but do they really need to fly it from government buildings? Keep flying it on private property and on the top of sweet ass Chargers. I think this is what they did already in California, correct?

pornmasta · 06-22-2015, 10:54 AM

should you ban freedom of speech ?
what's a stupid question.

MrBottomTooth · 06-22-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

should you ban freedom of speech ?
what's a stupid question.

It's not banning freedom of speech. I think most of the people that complain about it just don't want it displayed on government buildings.

Although I'm sure some don't want to see it anywhere, there's no chance of that ever happening. And that's good. You can still go into any flag shop in the US and buy Nazi flags if you want.

oppoten · 06-22-2015, 11:08 AM

I'm surprised it's still being flown.

But since it is, don't take it down.

CDSmith · 06-22-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

should you ban freedom of speech ?
what's a stupid question.

Stupid or not it's a question being asked by many in the US right now, and a lot of people are calling for the flag to be banned. Some think the guy known as the church-shooter had the goal of trying to start a race war. As Bottomtooth pointed out the flag was flying proudly at a government building down there and in light of this latest incident it is absolutely infuriating a lot of people, especially black people.

Like it or not this "stupid question" as you call it isn't going away. I heard one guy in one news spot somewhere mention about the possibility of this causing a second civil war. Extreme and unlikely, but just the fact that people are saying such things, well, is that not cause for concern? Or at least some adult discussion?

You tell me.

Tom_PM · 06-22-2015, 11:22 AM

Right, the dead preacher had to drive past the confederate flag being flow on government property on his way to church they say.

It's a monster under the bed kind of issue to me. The adults will have to cater to the scared kids for a bit while they know better all the while. One day those kids will realize they were being helped onto the right side of history and might appreciate it.

Ban it from government grounds. Don't mind the crying too much.

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

should you ban freedom of speech ?
what's a stupid question.

STFU, all religious shit is banned from government buildings already.

Joshua G · 06-22-2015, 11:38 AM

all i know is nobody from new york or california should be telling people in south carolina what flag to fly. its one thing for USA to invade the south & end slavery, its another thing to be dictating to southerners what symbols they should covet. political correctness is becoming a form of social fascism in this country.

seems like state pols are shifting their positions in light of this tragedy, & that is how it should work.

directfiesta · 06-22-2015, 11:43 AM

Good thing Mark Prince didn't make this thread ....

He would of been told by Dyma No to shut his fucking canadian pie hole ... !!!!

PS: shit, maybe he will blast me

dyna mo · 06-22-2015, 11:56 AM

banning something because of what some people believe it to symbolize? of course not.

that does sound very **********, directfiesta, good point.

but this is the USA.

if there were a good reason to make the flag illegal, i'd be all for it.

jsmih · 06-22-2015, 11:57 AM

The poll really gives the wrong choices. It certainly shouldn't be banned, not that there is really a way to even do that in the US. However, it should be removed from flying at public buildings, license plates, etc. That flag is basically turning into something similar to a swastika, in that it has become a powerful symbol of hate for many (especially since a lot of the displays came about in the 1960s in protest of integration).

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

all i know is nobody from new york or california should be telling people in south carolina what flag to fly. its one thing for USA to invade the south & end slavery, its another thing to be dictating to southerners what symbols they should covet. political correctness is becoming a form of social fascism in this country.

seems like state pols are shifting their positions in light of this tragedy, & that is how it should work.

Yeah, those states can't legally tell SC what to do; but what does that have to do with those states
seeing stupid and calling it like it is?

C H R I S · 06-22-2015, 12:15 PM

Govt should not fly it.

Ban - No. In the US we have freedom of speech, someone can fly any type of flag they like.

directfiesta · 06-22-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S

Govt should not fly it.

Ban - No. In the US we have freedom of speech, someone can fly any type of flag they like.

even .... this one ????

directfiesta · 06-22-2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

banning something because of what some people believe it to symbolize? of course not.

that does sound very **********, directfiesta, good point.

but this is the USA.

if there were a good reason to make the flag illegal, i'd be all for it.

I know it is the USA, but CDSmith ( the original poster ) is Canadian ... that was the point ... no big deal ...

TheSquealer · 06-22-2015, 12:20 PM

Why not? We live in a nation of silly pussies where the lowest common denominator of society drives decisions with their incessant whining and crying and complaining and shouting down of common sense and respect. It will happen eventually, why not now?

The state capital of Texas has a large monument in front of the busing commemorating those who were bold enough to stand up to the tyranny of the north. Blow that ducking hate thing up. Then we can move on to the next thing that is "offensive" like calling a weapon a tomahawk or insisting "midget is the new N word"

I don't care about people's sensibilities in this regard. Man the fuck up. Stop the sniveling and crying and coma planning and focus on your life, your family, your journey, your goals etc. and you find that suddenly you are infinitely more productive and happy.

JA$ON · 06-22-2015, 12:20 PM

Everyone wants to know why we are falling behind the rest of the world in EVERY measurable category ?????

People spending time worrying about shit like this, lol

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

even .... this one ????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJqwLcTsXA

TheSquealer · 06-22-2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON

Everyone wants to know why we are falling behind the rest of the world in EVERY measurable category ?????

People spending time worrying about shit like this, lol

We spend more on education than any other nation and rank like 26th in the world ... because most of that money goes to participation trophies for sniveling, self entitled shitheads.

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON

Everyone wants to know why we are falling behind the rest of the world in EVERY measurable category ?????

People spending time worrying about shit like this, lol

I think people are worried about the 9 people murdered in church and the flag being the
symbol of inspiration for the murders.

But you can always boogie on over to disney.com and chat with your mental peers.

aka123 · 06-22-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

even .... this one ????

Sure, Indians too have freedom of speech. Maybe even American indians.

TheSquealer · 06-22-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I think people are worried about the 9 people murdered in church and the flag being the
symbol of inspiration for the murders.

But you can always boogie on over to disney.com and chat with your mental peers.

You are 100% full of shit and as usual, looking for racial motivation. The guy was nuts. He was a nut intending to kill. He would have been nuts if there was no flag. He would have killed if there was no flag.

Stop being a whiny botch playing the victim and race card morning, noon and night.

At least racemonkey does it for sig views. You, sadly do it for free.

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You are 100% full of shit and as usual, looking for racial motivation. The guy was nuts. He was a nut intending to kill. He would have been nuts if there was no flag. He would have killed if there was no flag.

Stop being a whiny botch playing the victim and race card morning, noon and night.

If you think I actually read your postings before I respond then you're a fucking idiot.

TheSquealer · 06-22-2015, 12:34 PM

I don't blame you. It's quite clear that anything being said with too many big words and too few emoticons, tends to confuse you.

dyna mo · 06-22-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I know it is the USA, but CDSmith ( the original poster ) is Canadian ... that was the point ... no big deal ...

if it weren't a big deal to you, you would not have made your snarky drive-by post.

bronco67 · 06-22-2015, 12:52 PM

People hanging on to the symbol of a failed rebellion that hinged on the right to keep human pets. A great symbol anyone should be proud of.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-22-2015, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I don't think it should be outright banned, but do they really need to fly it from government buildings? Keep flying it on private property ...

Pretty much this.

There is "government sanctioned speech" on government owned property -- a State has the right to display the Stars and Bars (confederate flag) but it's decisive. I guess the state of dumb-shits could fly the Nazi flag legally too ... Hope they have fire trucks on standby ...

Governments are just held to the "Establishment Clause" of not establishing a state religion and other 14th Amendment prohibitions.

There is 1st Amendment private speech that is protected so you can fly or burn the flag that you want.

jsmih · 06-22-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

even .... this one ????

Nazi flag

Sure. Of course, freedom of speech comes with consequences. The flag flyer may not like those consequences (customers not going to their store, other parents not letting their children play together, protesters in front of their house), but they certainly have the right to fly it.

ZeroHero · 06-22-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJqwLcTsXA

what an idiot

Joshua G · 06-22-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah, those states can't legally tell SC what to do; but what does that have to do with those states
seeing stupid and calling it like it is?

well, there is a freedom of speech where new yorkers & such can ridicule dumb rednecks who covet obsolete/obscene symbols. i find lots of ideas by lots of people & organizations to be dumb but i dont believe i have any right to dictate to them they should behave in line with my views a thousand miles away.

that this topic is on a web forum speaks to our new world where communication of ideas is much more free than ever before. it is fueling a social revolution of ideas where pot is getting legal & gays are getting more accepted. But sometimes people feel entitled to tell others what to do half a world away. im sure the PC police are heading to SC to protest & tell them what to do.

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

i would simply say that SC is a backwater shithole until they dump the flag.

OK, I was thinking the states said what you just simply said.

DAMNMAN · 06-22-2015, 01:42 PM

"They think that we should allow them to ban anything they don't like." This is the prevailing mentality these days. "THEY" are protecting us from unpopular ideas.
NO THANKS!!!! I am OK with unpopular ideas and the freedom to have them and share them.
The constitution is there to safeguard individual rights from people who wish to take them away. Unfortunately the constitution is going down the toilet one flush at a time.

kane · 06-22-2015, 01:58 PM

I think if individuals want to own and wave the flag, so be it. But the government should not be allowed to fly it. The flag represents slavery and oppression to a lot of people. The government shouldn't be flying that flag over the people those people.

EliteWebmaster · 06-22-2015, 02:00 PM

I personally have no problems with the confederate flag as it represents history of the Deep South particularly in places like Alabama. Just like I have no issues with the KKK or the NAACP in this day and age . Seriously we have have more important enemies like those Muslim middle eastern clowns ISIS who want to kill every last one of us Americans and if they had it their way, they would nuke every one of our black and white asses. A little unity between us here as our enemies is not from within, they are all around us. When the war comes, we will fight hand in hand regardless of color as one flag will only matter, and thats our stars and stripes

L-Pink · 06-22-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

If you think I actually read your postings before I respond then you're a fucking idiot.

No wonder you seldom make sense.

Adraco · 06-22-2015, 02:04 PM

The confederate flag is an enemy of the United States. It is very strange that it is allowed on public buildings and in any official context what so ever.
It is the flag of an enemy, that was once and for all defeated.
Free speech is there to give any single individual the right to fly the flag but for it, the enemy flag, to appear in any public setting is just wrong.

I do, however, support the flag being flown privately, especially since it makes "those people" go bananas over just a symbol.

ErectMedia · 06-22-2015, 02:06 PM

Vendzilla · 06-22-2015, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua G

all i know is nobody from new york or california should be telling people in south carolina what flag to fly. its one thing for USA to invade the south & end slavery, its another thing to be dictating to southerners what symbols they should covet. political correctness is becoming a form of social fascism in this country.

seems like state pols are shifting their positions in light of this tragedy, & that is how it should work.

I see the flag as symbol of rebellion, so leave it up.

In California, we have more Mexican flags than California flags.

mineistaken · 06-22-2015, 02:21 PM

Should have made the poll public to out the PC and SJW crowd.

ErectMedia · 06-22-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Should have made the poll public to out the PC and SJW crowd.

I voted for...

"No, it's fine. Banning it would infringe on freedoms"

White Power
White History Month
etc...

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

No wonder you seldom make sense.

Yo mamma.

Mr Pheer · 06-22-2015, 02:29 PM

Why stop with banning just a flag? Let's ban message boards and porn.

blackmonsters · 06-22-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I see the flag as symbol of rebellion, so leave it up.

In California, we have more Mexican flags than California flags.

Well California could consider getting the fuck out of Mexico.

escorpio · 06-22-2015, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adraco

The confederate flag is an enemy of the United States. It is very strange that it is allowed on public buildings and in any official context what so ever.
It is the flag of an enemy, that was once and for all defeated.
Free speech is there to give any single individual the right to fly the flag but for it, the enemy flag, to appear in any public setting is just wrong.

I do, however, support the flag being flown privately, especially since it makes "those people" go bananas over just a symbol.

Exactly.

TCLGirls · 06-22-2015, 03:20 PM

No one is really suggesting that the government ban the Confederate flag, that is just silly. Any private citizen can fly any damn flag they want, be it the US flag, Confederate flag, or even Nazi flag. That is an individual free speech 1st Amendment right.

Rather, people are protesting the State government to remove the flag from state government buildings. Many people feel that if the proponents of the flag want it to be remembered for "heritage" or "historical" reasons, the flag should be displayed in museums or on private property instead, not flown high on current government buildings/property.

Those are two different issues. Simply asking whether the government should ban the confederate flag is a superficial analysis that simply clouds the issue.

Just Alex · 06-22-2015, 03:41 PM

No. Just to keep brassmonkeys busy

mineistaken · 06-22-2015, 03:44 PM

Speaking of brassmonkey - he is quiet today..

Just Alex · 06-22-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Speaking of brassmonkey - he is quiet today..

He's busy reporting Eric to NAACP

pornmasta · 06-22-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Stupid or not it's a question being asked by many in the US right now

what's stupid is the fact that you ask it in the USA (in france... it is ... so common)
(cf 1st amendment, a flag is a message)

View Poll Results: Should the Confederate Flag be banned?
Yes, it's a symbol of slavery and treason	23	35.38%
No, it's fine. Banning it would infringe on freedoms	42	64.62%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

06-22-2015, 09:30 AM	#1
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06-22-2015, 10:24 AM	#2
MrBottomTooth Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,795	I don't think it should be outright banned, but do they really need to fly it from government buildings? Keep flying it on private property and on the top of sweet ass Chargers. I think this is what they did already in California, correct? __________________ Get Paid Per Email Like The WEGCASH Days!!!!

06-22-2015, 11:22 AM	#7
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Right, the dead preacher had to drive past the confederate flag being flow on government property on his way to church they say. It's a monster under the bed kind of issue to me. The adults will have to cater to the scared kids for a bit while they know better all the while. One day those kids will realize they were being helped onto the right side of history and might appreciate it. Ban it from government grounds. Don't mind the crying too much. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	Govt should not fly it. Ban - No. In the US we have freedom of speech, someone can fly any type of flag they like. __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

06-22-2015, 10:54 AM	#3
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,998	should you ban freedom of speech ? what's a stupid question.

06-22-2015, 11:08 AM	#5
oppoten NAME THE JEW Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,793	I'm surprised it's still being flown. But since it is, don't take it down.

06-22-2015, 11:38 AM	#9
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	all i know is nobody from new york or california should be telling people in south carolina what flag to fly. its one thing for USA to invade the south & end slavery, its another thing to be dictating to southerners what symbols they should covet. political correctness is becoming a form of social fascism in this country. seems like state pols are shifting their positions in light of this tragedy, & that is how it should work.

06-22-2015, 11:43 AM	#10
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,586	Good thing Mark Prince didn't make this thread .... He would of been told by Dyma No to shut his fucking canadian pie hole ... !!!! PS: shit, maybe he will blast me

06-22-2015, 11:56 AM	#11
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,993	banning something because of what some people believe it to symbolize? of course not. that does sound very **********, directfiesta, good point. but this is the USA. if there were a good reason to make the flag illegal, i'd be all for it.

06-22-2015, 11:57 AM	#12
jsmih Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 334	The poll really gives the wrong choices. It certainly shouldn't be banned, not that there is really a way to even do that in the US. However, it should be removed from flying at public buildings, license plates, etc. That flag is basically turning into something similar to a swastika, in that it has become a powerful symbol of hate for many (especially since a lot of the displays came about in the 1960s in protest of integration).

06-22-2015, 12:20 PM	#17
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,094	Why not? We live in a nation of silly pussies where the lowest common denominator of society drives decisions with their incessant whining and crying and complaining and shouting down of common sense and respect. It will happen eventually, why not now? The state capital of Texas has a large monument in front of the busing commemorating those who were bold enough to stand up to the tyranny of the north. Blow that ducking hate thing up. Then we can move on to the next thing that is "offensive" like calling a weapon a tomahawk or insisting "midget is the new N word" I don't care about people's sensibilities in this regard. Man the fuck up. Stop the sniveling and crying and coma planning and focus on your life, your family, your journey, your goals etc. and you find that suddenly you are infinitely more productive and happy.

06-22-2015, 12:20 PM	#18
JA$ON Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: I'm from Downtown....Im from Mitch & Murry Posts: 1,329	Everyone wants to know why we are falling behind the rest of the world in EVERY measurable category ????? People spending time worrying about shit like this, lol

06-22-2015, 12:34 PM	#25
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,094	I don't blame you. It's quite clear that anything being said with too many big words and too few emoticons, tends to confuse you.

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06-22-2015, 01:42 PM	#33
DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	"They think that we should allow them to ban anything they don't like." This is the prevailing mentality these days. "THEY" are protecting us from unpopular ideas. NO THANKS!!!! I am OK with unpopular ideas and the freedom to have them and share them. The constitution is there to safeguard individual rights from people who wish to take them away. Unfortunately the constitution is going down the toilet one flush at a time. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

06-22-2015, 01:58 PM	#34
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I think if individuals want to own and wave the flag, so be it. But the government should not be allowed to fly it. The flag represents slavery and oppression to a lot of people. The government shouldn't be flying that flag over the people those people.

06-22-2015, 02:00 PM	#35
EliteWebmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,975	I personally have no problems with the confederate flag as it represents history of the Deep South particularly in places like Alabama. Just like I have no issues with the KKK or the NAACP in this day and age . Seriously we have have more important enemies like those Muslim middle eastern clowns ISIS who want to kill every last one of us Americans and if they had it their way, they would nuke every one of our black and white asses. A little unity between us here as our enemies is not from within, they are all around us. When the war comes, we will fight hand in hand regardless of color as one flag will only matter, and thats our stars and stripes

06-22-2015, 02:04 PM	#37
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,734	The confederate flag is an enemy of the United States. It is very strange that it is allowed on public buildings and in any official context what so ever. It is the flag of an enemy, that was once and for all defeated. Free speech is there to give any single individual the right to fly the flag but for it, the enemy flag, to appear in any public setting is just wrong. I do, however, support the flag being flown privately, especially since it makes "those people" go bananas over just a symbol. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	Should have made the poll public to out the PC and SJW crowd.

06-22-2015, 02:29 PM	#43
Mr Pheer I got bored here. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 20,621	Why stop with banning just a flag? Let's ban message boards and porn.

06-22-2015, 03:20 PM	#46
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	No one is really suggesting that the government ban the Confederate flag, that is just silly. Any private citizen can fly any damn flag they want, be it the US flag, Confederate flag, or even Nazi flag. That is an individual free speech 1st Amendment right. Rather, people are protesting the State government to remove the flag from state government buildings. Many people feel that if the proponents of the flag want it to be remembered for "heritage" or "historical" reasons, the flag should be displayed in museums or on private property instead, not flown high on current government buildings/property. Those are two different issues. Simply asking whether the government should ban the confederate flag is a superficial analysis that simply clouds the issue.

06-22-2015, 03:41 PM	#47
Just Alex Liv Benson to You, Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland and WV Posts: 6,060	No. Just to keep brassmonkeys busy __________________

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	Speaking of brassmonkey - he is quiet today..