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Barry-xlovecam · 06-25-2015, 05:31 PM

I don't think the "Obamacare Monument" will be built anytime soon.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree. I "single pay" for my own. And you "single pay" for yours.

Let me make a wild guess...you are a libertarian...

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Apparently, it is only you who "did not know"...read below:

as i already explained, i very well could have read it wrong.

i have no problem agreeing that i usually have no fucking idea what rochard is going on about.

what i do know is he pimped himself out trying to be troll of the year here, so i've tried to help him with that.

like how he claims he has me on ignore yet was in my miata thread over the last couple of days.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I think the original Miata looked dumb....

either way, i realized a long time ago i enjoy learning and have no qualms realizing there is a lot in the world to learn.

crockett · 06-25-2015, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

History has shown that you just have to drag consertives kicking and screaming into the future. It then takes them about 20 or 30 years to get used to it.

The basic definition of consertive is "they don't like change". Doesn't matter if it's for the good or bad, they would rather keep status quo even if the change is better for them.. It's one of the reasons some say conservatism is a mental disorder.

Rochard · 06-25-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree. I "single pay" for my own. And you "single pay" for yours.

That's the way it was.

And in the long run, when someone went to the same hospital you go, and they were unable to pay their bills, the hospital ate those costs and eventually.... Passed those costs up to you. Your healthcare costs went up every year, and for most people they couldn't afford it.

If your healthcare rates went up Robbie... You might want to consider looking for something different.

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yes. And you can build the roads we travel on, and everything else as a society we share , all by your little self. You don't live on your own island, you live in a society.

pretty sure Robbie, like me are in the 47% that pays federal income tax... you?

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Let me make a wild guess...you are a libertarian...

I do believe in individual freedom. Does that make me a bad guy to you?

I was obviously raised a little differently than you and many others. I was taught to not take from other people and to try to take care of yourself and your family.
I was also taught in kindergarten, elementary school, middle school, and high school that the United States was a "Free" country.

It sure seems strange to a person such as myself, that you might view the prospect of every person paying their own bills as some kind of bad thing.

I guess it's a sign of the times and one of the reasons that our country is in decline.
Oh well...we had a pretty good run.

kane · 06-25-2015, 07:42 PM

To me this is all explained by Marx who stated that societies go through six stages. Right now we are on stage four, Capitalism and we are starting to ease into stage five, Socialism. In my opinion it is inevitable that we will get there, it is just a matter of how long it will take.

2MuchMark · 06-25-2015, 07:54 PM

Rochard, TCLGirls and others post polite, friendly and thought provoking comments.

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i couldn't give a shit what kind of fucking argument you think it is. the fucking fact is i replied to rochard's post, not you. and in fucking fact, rochard's quote i used does claim the republicans spent 5 years on this- this being this fucking case being discussed in this fucking thread.

and

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strawman argument, gofuckyourself.

and

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the circle of your bullshit is now complete.

and

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by the way, fancy is sarcasm for gofuckyourself. /// and reply speaking for him and derailing the thread with your semantics bullshit lesson.

fancy

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i usually have no fucking idea what rochard is going on about.

Sounds like someone needs a hug!

There ya go! A hug from Obama. Hope you feel better soon.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I do believe in individual freedom. Does that make me a bad guy to you?

I was obviously raised a little differently than you and many others. I was taught to not take from other people and to try to take care of yourself and your family.
I was also taught in kindergarten, elementary school, middle school, and high school that the United States was a "Free" country.

It sure seems strange to a person such as myself, that you might view the prospect of every person paying their own bills as some kind of bad thing.

I guess it's a sign of the times and one of the reasons that our country is in decline.
Oh well...we had a pretty good run.

Were you taught in kindergarten that it is good to share?

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Were you taught in kindergarten that it is good to share?

Would you like to take some of your money that you could be spending on your family and kids and just "share" it with me? I won't be paying you back and I'll expect you to just keep "sharing" it with me for the rest of my life.

I don't think you do. And neither do I wish to "share" the fruits of my labor with strangers. I already make contributions to the general welfare of the country through local, federal, property, gas, and sales taxes.

You don't want to work to support me and other people you never met. And you don't want to work to pay for the federal govt. to spy on you or bomb the living hell out of people around the world or invade and occupy other countries.

But guess what? That's exactly what we are doing. All I'm saying is...it's not the way I was brought up or the way I was taught (lied to apparently) that this country operated.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Would you like to take some of your money that you could be spending on your family and kids and just "share" it with me? I won't be paying you back and I'll expect you to just keep "sharing" it with me for the rest of my life.

I don't think you do. And neither do I wish to "share" the fruits of my labor with strangers. I already make contributions to the general welfare through local, federal, property, gas, and sales taxes.

You don't want to work to support me and other people you never met. And you don't want to work to pay for the federal govt. to spy on you or bomb the living hell out of people around the world or invade and occupy other countries.

But guess what? That's exactly what we are doing. All I'm saying is...it's not the way I was brought up or the way I was taught (lied to apparently) that this country operated.

I have shared some of the money I have earned...through paying taxes and yearly donations.

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I have shared some of the money I have earned...through paying taxes and yearly donations.

Which is exactly what I said I did as well. As do all of us who pay taxes.
What is the amount that we pay in local, federal, property, sales, and gasoline tax? Is it something like 40 cents or more on every dollar?

I think that is way more than enough to be taken from us. (we didn't just graciously hand it over to these bureaucrats).
And I'm okay with that to a point.

We need to have govt. and civil society and all that entails.

I just feel like we went past the point of what govt. is supposed to be doing and now we are at a point where if a person works hard and is a bit smarter than the next guy...they end up getting financially punished while the people who either aren't capable or just don't want to work hard...are getting rewarded. (and I'm not talking about the mega-rich...they always get rewarded, I'm talking about people like me and you who work hard and make a good living)

There is no way in hell that is going to have a good ending.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Which is exactly what I said I did as well. As do all of us who pay taxes.
What is the amount that we pay in local, federal, property, sales, and gasoline tax? Is it something like 40 cents or more on every dollar?

I think that is way more than enough to be taken from us. (we didn't just graciously hand it over to these bureaucrats).
And I'm okay with that to a point.

We need to have govt. and civil society and all that entails.

I just feel like we went past the point of what govt. is supposed to be doing and now we are at a point where if a person works hard and is a bit smarter than the next guy...they end up getting financially punished while the people who either aren't capable or just don't want to work hard...are getting rewarded. (and I'm not talking about the mega-rich...they always get rewarded, I'm talking about people like me and you who work hard and make a good living)

There is no way in hell that is going to have a good ending.

I just don;t look at it that way...I have worked hard for what I have got, but I did not do it all by myself. The government helped me get there through FAFSA student loans (where the government pays the interest), Federal/state educational grants and down all the way to the local government paving/maintaining the roads so I can drive to work....and everything in between. So I am happy to give back since I know I didn't accomplish everything I have 100% all by myself.

Rochard · 06-25-2015, 10:25 PM

Although Obamacare has faced fifty lawsuits and been up to Supreme Court TWICE.... The Republican party refuses to stop attacking it.

"The ruling was a blow to Republicans, who have been trying to gut the law since it was enacted. But House Speaker John A. Boehner vowed that the political fight against it would continue."

My fucking god - let it go already.

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us...ourt.html?_r=0

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I just don;t look at it that way...I have worked hard for what I have got, but I did not do it all by myself. The government helped me get there through FAFSA student loans (where the government pays the interest), Federal/state educational grants and down all the way to the local government paving/maintaining the roads so I can drive to work....and everything in between. So I am happy to give back since I know I didn't accomplish everything I have 100% all by myself.

I understand that feeling.
But also realize this: The federal highways are paid for by the gasoline tax. So you've been paying your share all along. The local govt. roads are indeed paid for by your local taxes. And the schools are paid for by property tax.

I too, have no problem with any of that.

My problem is when the govt. takes our money and does all the shitty things they do: spying, bombing, etc.

And I kind of feel that ObamaCare never addressed any of the real issues of health care cost: The actual COST of it. The price gouging that goes on at hospitals and the prescription medications that cost more than double the price in the U.S. as they do anywhere else in the world.

All I feel has happened is that we just made Big Insurance a whole lot more richer than before. Meanwhile, my own insurance has more than doubled since 2009. I'm now paying over $1,100 a month for my family of 3. That is just plain out ridiculous.

JIBCONTENT · 06-26-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

President Lyndon Johnson took the first step in initiating OSHA by calling on congress to pass laws to protect American workers. However, he was unable to gather enough votes to establish the act, a feat that was later achieved during the Nixon administration (US Department of Labor).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h383

Oh fuck it, I am tired of this already

Oh jesus another Conservative clinging to some old Republicans who held liberal views and pushed through liberal agenda's. Go ahead take some credit but the graphic was about liberal wins over conservatives (not Republican, learn the difference) so all you did here was add to the list.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-26-2015, 04:24 AM

Should the government be allowed to regulate healthcare prices -- regulatory capture?

That is not at all libertarian and goes against free enterprise -- you cannot have your cake and eat it to ...

A single payer system is the only solution along with a new tax to pay for it.

There should be two tiered services; one for the taxpayer and one for the freeloader. Work should have it's reward for the taxation.

Yeah, I am in that 47% that pays (every quarter big time).

Grapesoda · 06-26-2015, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I have shared some of the money I have earned...through paying taxes and yearly donations.

I shared 53% then gave you EVEN more for your health ins...

directfiesta · 06-26-2015, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Obama care sucks , it should have been a single payer system from the beginning.

That is what was wanted, but he tried to go bi-partisan : he got fucked .

Robbie · 06-26-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Should the government be allowed to regulate healthcare prices -- regulatory capture?

That is not at all libertarian and goes against free enterprise -- you cannot have your cake and eat it to ...

It wouldn't be "regulating" the price in the way you are suggesting.

It would be the Bureau of Consumer Protection actually doing it's job (which they don't in the case of healthcare costs).

When you go to the hospital they don't even give you an itemized bill unless you jump through a ton of hoops to get it. Which is how they price gouge you with ridiculous costs like a $50 paper dixie cup to drink a sip of water from when you take the $10 tylenol pill.

As for prescription drugs...the federal govt. not only looks the other way, but has given Big Pharma the right to charge citizens in the U.S. an exorbitant amount for medication. Even going so far as to use Federal authority to stop you and I from being able to cheaply get the same exact medication from other countries at less than half the price.

THAT is govt. interference and goes against a Libertarian view.

But it plays right into the hands of Republicans and Democrats who work with the huge lobbyists from Big Hospital Corp.'s, Big Pharma, and most of all Big Insurance.

I'm against it. And it seems to me that since the Democrat Party tries to make people think they are for the "common man" and against big EVIL corporations...I would think that most Democrats would be against it too.

But of course what the 2 ruling parties supposedly "Stand" for is nothing but an illusion they use to get votes and keep power.

Grapesoda · 06-26-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It wouldn't be "regulating" the price in the way you are suggesting.

It would be the Bureau of Consumer Protection actually doing it's job (which they don't in the case of healthcare costs).

When you go to the hospital they don't even give you an itemized bill unless you jump through a ton of hoops to get it. Which is how they price gouge you with ridiculous costs like a $50 paper dixie cup to drink a sip of water from when you take the $10 tylenol pill.

As for prescription drugs...the federal govt. not only looks the other way, but has given Big Pharma the right to charge citizens in the U.S. an exorbitant amount for medication. Even going so far as to use Federal authority to stop you and I from being able to cheaply get the same exact medication from other countries at less than half the price.

THAT is govt. interference and goes against a Libertarian view.

But it plays right into the hands of Republicans and Democrats who work with the huge lobbyists from Big Hospital Corp.'s, Big Pharma, and most of all Big Insurance.

I'm against it. And it seems to me that since the Democrat Party tries to make people think they are for the "common man" and against big EVIL corporations...I would think that most Democrats would be against it too.

But of course what the 2 ruling parties supposedly "Stand" for is nothing but an illusion they use to get votes and keep power.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Should the government be allowed to regulate healthcare prices -- regulatory capture? That is not at all libertarian and goes against free enterprise -- you cannot have your cake and eat it to ... A single payer system is the only solution along with a new tax to pay for it. There should be two tiered services; one for the taxpayer and one for the freeloader. Work should have it's reward for the taxation. Yeah, I am in that 47% that pays (every quarter big time).