Obamacare upheld - GoFuckYourself.com

arock10 · 06-25-2015, 09:02 AM

Obamacare lives on after Supreme Court ruling - CNNPolitics.com

u mad???????

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 09:08 AM

Great day in American History.

j3rkules · 06-25-2015, 09:15 AM

Victory to Obama and his healthcare cronies. Take it to the bank. It is a perpetual money machine. Get sick, get free medical care, health stocks rip. Everybody is a winner.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by celebsnudehd

Victory to Obama and his healthcare cronies. Take it to the bank. It is a perpetual money machine. Get sick, get free medical care, health stocks rip. Everybody is a winner.

Capitalists rejoice!

sandman! · 06-25-2015, 09:25 AM

not a surprise

2MuchMark · 06-25-2015, 09:28 AM

Congrats.

SuckOnThis · 06-25-2015, 09:29 AM

Axeman · 06-25-2015, 09:32 AM

Not mad, as even if they struck it down, the GOP would have fixed it anyways. But I do hate social/political justices making up law at the SCOTUS level. That is what is most troubling to me. But I suspect that train has long left the station and just building up speed the longer we go.

Rochard · 06-25-2015, 10:02 AM

I find the entire debate about Obamacare most interesting.

The Republican party has failed here. Instead of fighting this they should have fixed this. Instead, they boxed themselves into a corner and no matter what they would have lost. If they won this lawsuit or otherwise removed Obamacare, millions of people would have lost their healthcare, and the Republicans would have been blamed. Instead, the Republicans lost - Obamacare stands - and they still look bad.

This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it.

The Ghost · 06-25-2015, 10:45 AM

Obama was on the WTF Podcast this week. Pretty good interview.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-25-2015, 11:01 AM

In other news:
Anthem makes new offer to Cigna in 'frustration'
Physicians wary of looming mergers of nation's 'big five' health insurers | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Who is zooming who?

OldJeff · 06-25-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

President Lyndon Johnson took the first step in initiating OSHA by calling on congress to pass laws to protect American workers. However, he was unable to gather enough votes to establish the act, a feat that was later achieved during the Nixon administration (US Department of Labor).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h383

Oh fuck it, I am tired of this already

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Obamacare lives on after Supreme Court ruling - CNNPolitics.com

u mad???????

nope but a question for you... honest answer pls... your health ins double in cost or go down with obama care????

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman

But I do hate social/political justices making up law at the SCOTUS level. That is what is most troubling to me. But I suspect that train has long left the station and just building up speed the longer we go.

.. yep big issue for sure

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

abe= FIRST republican pres

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Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

democrat placed confederate battle flag on SC capital building in 1961

Quote:

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

President Lyndon Johnson took the first step in initiating OSHA by calling on congress to pass laws to protect American workers. However, he was unable to gather enough votes to establish the act, a feat that was later achieved during the Nixon administration (US Department of Labor).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h383

Oh fuck it, I am tired of this already

I had somebody whining about stuff like this on FB the other day... there is a site that LIST all the lawmakers and their votes... sure wasn't anything like the crappy meme from occupy that was floating around that's for sure..

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

President Lyndon Johnson took the first step in initiating OSHA by calling on congress to pass laws to protect American workers. However, he was unable to gather enough votes to establish the act, a feat that was later achieved during the Nixon administration (US Department of Labor).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/91-1970/h383

Oh fuck it, I am tired of this already

I think you are confusing conservative/liberal with republican/democrat.

Lincoln was in a political party called "Republican"...but he was no conservative.

2MuchMark · 06-25-2015, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I find the entire debate about Obamacare most interesting.

The Republican party has failed here. Instead of fighting this they should have fixed this. Instead, they boxed themselves into a corner and no matter what they would have lost. If they won this lawsuit or otherwise removed Obamacare, millions of people would have lost their healthcare, and the Republicans would have been blamed. Instead, the Republicans lost - Obamacare stands - and they still look bad.

This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it.

SuckOnThis · 06-25-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I think you are confusing conservative/liberal with republican/democrat.

Lincoln was in a political party called "Republican"...but he was no conservative.

That's their argument because that's all they have.

Ask a republican to name one good thing conservatives have done for the country in the past 30 years and they'll stare at you with a blank face and say something like 'classified ketchup as a vegetable'?

arock10 · 06-25-2015, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

nope but a question for you... honest answer pls... your health ins double in cost or go down with obama care????

I pay more but I have a far far better plan. Never had a copay before, always just a zillion dollar deductible. It was $175 a month for high deductible ($3600 I believe) that included nothing. Now its $225 gold plan for I believe $1250 deductible, but includes a lot more stuff like doc visits, prescriptions etc

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it.

the Republican party didn't invest 5 years in bringing this to the SC. King v Burwell et al are not the republicans v the democrats.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the Republican party didn't invest 5 years in bringing this to the SC. King v Burwell et al are not the republicans v the democrats.

The Republican party did invest almost 5 years in trying to dismantle Obamacare piece by piece:
The House has voted 54 times in four years on Obamacare. Here’s the full list. - The Washington Post

The libertarian "think tank" funded the actual King v. Burwell legal case itself:
https://cei.org/content/scotus-annou...king-v-burwell

Fat Panda · 06-25-2015, 02:42 PM

thx u potus obama

suesheboy · 06-25-2015, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

nope but a question for you... honest answer pls... your health ins double in cost or go down with obama care????

Got better for $100 a month less. Humana. No subsidies or tax credits.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

The Republican party did invest almost 5 years in trying to dismantle Obamacare piece by piece:
The House has voted 54 times in four years on Obamacare. Here?s the full list. - The Washington Post

The libertarian "think tank" funded the actual King v. Burwell legal case itself:
https://cei.org/content/scotus-annou...king-v-burwell

you're fooling yourself if you think the republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're fooling yourself if you think the republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC.

That's a strawman argument, because I never said the Republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC. In fact, nobody here has said that.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

That's a strawman argument, because I never said the Republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC. In fact, nobody here has said that.

i couldn't give a shit what kind of fucking argument you think it is. the fucking fact is i replied to rochard's post, not you. and in fucking fact, rochard's quote i used does claim the republicans spent 5 years on this- this being this fucking case being discussed in this fucking thread.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:16 PM

strawman argument, gofuckyourself.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i couldn't give a shit what kind of fucking argument you think it is. the fucking fact is i replied to rochard's post, not you. and in fucking fact, rochard's quote i used does claim the republicans spent 5 years on this- this being this fucking case being discussed in this fucking thread.

Rochard said the the Republicans have spent 5 years fighting Obamacare (and I provided a cite proving that claim). He did not say the Republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC. Those are two different issues.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:19 PM

you need glasses.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:22 PM

the part you are not grasping is this case (and this thread) have absolutely ZERO to do with republicans fighting obamacare.

they are 2 entirely mutually exclusive events. one has no bearing or impact on the other in any fucking way whatsofuckingever.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the part you are not grasping is this case (and this thread) have absolutely ZERO to do with republicans fighting obamacare.

they are 2 entirely mutually exclusive events. one has no bearing or impact on the other in any fucking way whatsofuckingever.

Rochard claimed that the Republicans fought Obamacare for 5 years....so this thread does have something to do with republicans fighting obamacare., since Rochard claimed it in this thread.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Rochard claimed that the Republicans fought Obamacare for 5 years....so this thread does have something to do with republicans fighting obamacare., since Rochard claimed it in this thread.

the circle of your bullshit is now complete.

first you were trying to correct me on what you were confused about, now that i sorted you out on that, you are trying to correct me on my sorting you out.

you're getting better at this btw. keep working on it, you'll get here eventually!!!11

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the circle of your bullshit is now complete.

first you were trying to correct me on what you were confused about, now that i sorted you out on that, you are trying to correct me on my sorting you out.

you're getting better at this btw. keep working on it, you'll get here eventually!!!11

Well it's true that Rochard claimed the Republican party tried to destroy Obamacare for the past 5 years and failed (the cite I provided above proves it). And it's also true that a libertarian think tank funded the legal case that also tried to destroy Obamacare, and also failed. What is not true is your strawman argument accusing Rochard of claiming that the Republicans invested 5 years to bring this case to the SC...no one here even argued that...which is why I corrected you on it.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Well it's true that Rochard claimed the Republican party tried to destroy Obamacare for the past 5 years and failed (the cite I provided above proves it). And it's also true that a libertarian think tank funded the legal case that also tried to destroy Obamacare, and also failed. What is not true is your strawman argument accusing Rochard of claiming that the Republicans invested 5 years to bring this case to the SC...no one here even argued that...which is why I corrected you on it.

i'm going to help you out again, since you like fancy concepts like strawman. the debate position you should have taken was that i took rochard's comment out of context.

he claimed

"This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it."

this, as it is used here, has nothing to do with the thread, the topic or even the actually SC decision.

not a strawman fallacy but the fallacy of quoting out of text.

next, neither of us know wtf he meant. for all we know, he very well may think the republicans brought this to the courts.

you're welcome.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm going to help you out again, since you like fancy concepts like strawman. the debate position you should have taken was that i took rochard's comment out of context.

he claimed

"This is a classic example of what's wrong with our government - Instead of fixing the problem, the Republican party decided to invest five years of fighting this. They should have improved the flaws in this law to fix it, not fight to remove it."

this, as it is used here, has nothing to do with the thread, the topic or even the actually SC decision.

not a strawman fallacy but the fallacy of quoting out of text.

next, neither of us know wtf he meant. for all we know, he very well may think the republicans brought this to the courts.

you're welcome.

"This", as used by Rochard, does have something to do with the topic. Because both the legal case, as well as Republicans in the legislature, attempted to destroy Obamacare. That is how they are related. And since they are both related via that similarity, then they both necessarily have something to do with each other.

And one can reasonably ascertain what Rochard meant by the word "this", since if you read his whole posting, it is clear he meant "this" as referring to the entire Obamacare situation and the resulting political fight, not just merely the SCOTUS ruling or case.

By the way, "strawman" is not a fancy concept. It's pretty basic and elementary.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

"This", as used by Rochard, does have something to do with the topic. Because both the legal case, as well as Republicans in the legislature, attempted to destroy Obamacare. That is how they are related. And since they are both related via that similarity, then they both necessarily have something to do with each other.

And one can reasonably ascertain what Rochard meant by the word "this", since if you read his whole posting, it is clear he meant "this" as referring to the entire Obamacare situation, not just merely the SCOTUS ruling or case.

By the way, "strawman" is not a fancy concept. It's pretty basic and elementary.

by the way, fancy is sarcasm for gofuckyourself.

if i made a mistake about wtf rochard meant by "this", then he could certainly reply on his own behalf. he doesn't need you to hold his hand and reply speaking for him and derailing the thread with your semantics bullshit lesson.

fancy

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

by the way, fancy is sarcasm for gofuckyourself.

if i made a mistake about wtf rochard meant by "this", then he could certainly reply on his own behalf. he doesn't need you to hold his hand and reply speaking for him and derailing the thread with your semantics bullshit lesson.

fancy

When posting on a publicly accessible message forum, one should reasonably expect replies from other people, not just from the person you directed your message to.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 04:03 PM

I apologize to the OP for my part in this thread derailing.

I'm going to do the respectful thing and not carry on with you, tcl.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-25-2015, 04:04 PM

The only thing that is bad about Obamacare is that it is over enriching the insurance industry. The high bid for buying out Humana is $54 Billion. Who the hell pays $54 Billion and doesn't expect to make their money back and profit?

Americare (Mark coined the term) is on its way -- single payer health care supported by a FICA or SE tax scheme or possibly a large increase in the capital gains rates like 8%.

Most of the complaints about the Affordable Care Act are about money and a single payer system, like Medicare that seems to work, is the only way that costs will be controlled.

Private insured patients may be subsidizing Medicare and Medicaid rates so charges may have to be equalized to support acceptable service levels. You could still buy "umbrella" private medical insurance to receive preferential treatment above your taxed medical benefit. That type of insurance expense should be 100% deductible as you will already be paying 8% on the first $250,000 over ($14,000+ the poverty level) of your AGI on your 1040.

Bottom line: Healthcare costs will continue to rise for some.

Rochard · 06-25-2015, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're fooling yourself if you think the republicans spent 5 years bringing this case to the SC.

I never said the Republicans have spent the past five years trying to take this to the Supreme Court - I said the Republicans have spent the past years trying to defeat Obamacare. It's pretty much been their primary goal since the day Obamacare become law.

This is disappointing. The Republican party plan has been "make Obama and the Democrats look bad" at all costs. Why move forward when we can spent millions more an yet another investigation into Benghazi? A former United States Senator was just brutally shot and killed in a church, but let's put yet more effort into fighting Obamacare.

Ten years from now the general public will remember one thing and one thing only - Obamacare. All of this petty bullshit is just making the Republican party look bad.

Rochard · 06-25-2015, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

if i made a mistake about wtf rochard meant by "this", then he could certainly reply on his own behalf. he doesn't need you to hold his hand and reply speaking for him and derailing the thread with your semantics bullshit lesson.

Truth be told I have you on ignore. The only reason I commented on your post is because someone else quoted you and I see you are talking to me.

MK Ultra · 06-25-2015, 05:09 PM

It's a great day for some

At the same time it well and truly sucks for the rest of us who are now forced to pay for their great fucking day

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arock10

I pay more but I have a far far better plan. Never had a copay before, always just a zillion dollar deductible. It was $175 a month for high deductible ($3600 I believe) that included nothing. Now its $225 gold plan for I believe $1250 deductible, but includes a lot more stuff like doc visits, prescriptions etc

pretty cool, I was paying $425 with a 2.5K deductible prescriptions were like $10-$20, now I pay $517 with a 5K deductible and some meds are as much as $250 per script... 1 med went from $20 to $190... seems like hospital bills are higher as well... spent 5 days in the hospital about 2 years ago... 20K, spent 18 hours in the hospital in April, 20K...

BTW the supreme court does NOT use Obama care, nor does Obama, his family or any other LAWMAKER rep or dem or their families... seems like you would be a bit suspicious of that?

Grapesoda · 06-25-2015, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

It's a great day for some

At the same time it well and truly sucks for the rest of us who are now forced to pay for their great fucking day

I'd post some laughter gifs but unfortunately it's true...

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 05:21 PM

Funny how this great insurance company gift has made everyone argue. You'd think since it's so great that we would all be happy and agree it's great.

Me? The ONLY thing I care about is what it did to MY insurance bill. It has doubled since 2009.

I wonder if after this ruling the Big Insurance Corporations that all the ObamaCare cheerleaders seem to love so much will now feel even more emboldened to raise prices even higher.

You know...on the law that was supposed to make it $2,500 a year CHEAPER for every family.

dyna mo · 06-25-2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Truth be told I have you on ignore. The only reason I commented on your post is because someone else quoted you and I see you are talking to me.

troll got trolled so he put me on ignore.

right.

Bladewire · 06-25-2015, 05:23 PM

Obama care sucks , it should have been a single payer system from the beginning.

Robbie · 06-25-2015, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Obama care sucks , it should have been a single payer system from the beginning.

I agree. I "single pay" for my own. And you "single pay" for yours.

Bladewire · 06-25-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree. I "single pay" for my own. And you "single pay" for yours.

Yes. And you can build the roads we travel on, and everything else as a society we share , all by your little self. You don't live on your own island, you live in a society.

TCLGirls · 06-25-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

next, neither of us know wtf he meant. for all we know, he very well may think the republicans brought this to the courts.

Apparently, it is only you who "did not know"...read below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I never said the Republicans have spent the past five years trying to take this to the Supreme Court - I said the Republicans have spent the past years trying to defeat Obamacare. It's pretty much been their primary goal since the day Obamacare become law.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,911	I apologize to the OP for my part in this thread derailing. I'm going to do the respectful thing and not carry on with you, tcl.

06-25-2015, 04:04 PM	#39
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The only thing that is bad about Obamacare is that it is over enriching the insurance industry. The high bid for buying out Humana is $54 Billion. Who the hell pays $54 Billion and doesn't expect to make their money back and profit? Americare (Mark coined the term) is on its way -- single payer health care supported by a FICA or SE tax scheme or possibly a large increase in the capital gains rates like 8%. Most of the complaints about the Affordable Care Act are about money and a single payer system, like Medicare that seems to work, is the only way that costs will be controlled. Private insured patients may be subsidizing Medicare and Medicaid rates so charges may have to be equalized to support acceptable service levels. You could still buy "umbrella" private medical insurance to receive preferential treatment above your taxed medical benefit. That type of insurance expense should be 100% deductible as you will already be paying 8% on the first $250,000 over ($14,000+ the poverty level) of your AGI on your 1040. Bottom line: Healthcare costs will continue to rise for some.

06-25-2015, 05:09 PM	#42
MK Ultra Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 877	It's a great day for some At the same time it well and truly sucks for the rest of us who are now forced to pay for their great fucking day __________________

06-25-2015, 05:21 PM	#45
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Funny how this great insurance company gift has made everyone argue. You'd think since it's so great that we would all be happy and agree it's great. Me? The ONLY thing I care about is what it did to MY insurance bill. It has doubled since 2009. I wonder if after this ruling the Big Insurance Corporations that all the ObamaCare cheerleaders seem to love so much will now feel even more emboldened to raise prices even higher. You know...on the law that was supposed to make it $2,500 a year CHEAPER for every family. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-25-2015, 05:23 PM	#47
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	Obama care sucks , it should have been a single payer system from the beginning. __________________ Skype: CallTomNow