So there's no doubt, Cosby was a rapist

[J. Falcon]

Bill Cosby's 'public moralist' stance backfired, led to document release

For years, Cosby has espoused family values and chastised parts of society for a variety of issues, such as crime.

"The stark contrast between Bill Cosby, the public moralist and Bill Cosby, the subject of serious allegations concerning improper (and perhaps criminal) conduct, is a matter as to which the AP ? and by extension the public ? has a significant interest," U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno wrote in his decision to release the documents.

The records were unsealed Monday after the Associated Press went to court asking for their release.

Cosby, 77, had fought the release, arguing it would violate his and others' privacy and would be a source of embarrassment.

The unsealed deposition stemmed from a civil suit filed by Andrea Constand -- one of the dozens of women who have publicly accused the Cosby of sexual assault.

In the sworn deposition, Constand's attorney Dolores Troiani asked Cosby about the sedative drug Quaaludes.

"When you got the Quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these Quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?" Troiani asked.

"Yes," Cosby replied.

"Did you ever give any of those young women the Quaaludes without their knowledge?" Troiani asked.

Cosby's attorney objected and told him not to answer the question.

While Cosby admitted that he acquired seven prescriptions of Quaaludes with the intent to give the sedatives to young women he wanted to have sex with, he has not admitted to actually drugging any of his accusers.

While Cosby's attorneys cite two women who "allegedly say that they knowingly took Quaaludes offered to them by Defendant in the late 1970's" -- one of them being former model Theresa Serignese, who has shared her accusations publicly -- they do not address the numerous women who say they were given pills for a variety of reasons, including to "cheer up."

Several women allege Cosby used cappuccino, soft drinks, wine or other beverages as vehicles to drug them, but accusers Constand, Serignese, Janice Dickinson, Tamara Green, Victoria Valentino, Donna Motsinger and a woman identified only as Chelan have alleged Cosby gave them capsules or pills -- sometimes billing them as medication -- before assaulting them.

[C H R I S]

Yep

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[Robbie]

Sure looks bad.
But in all fairness, if people taking pills, drugs, and alcohol before having sex is a crime then everybody on Earth would be in jail.

Now if he slipped them the Quaaludes without their knowledge and then fucked them while they were passed out...yeah, that's drug rape.

BUT...if he simply was buying them because so many girls loved doing them back in the day (and they did...I became an adult at the tail end of quaaludes being available, and it seemed like everybody was doing them), then "no" he's not a rapist.

I'm kinda undecided myself.
On one hand I've watched several women give some pretty convincing stories on the news.

On the other hand, it's hard to tell if what they are saying is true...or if they are just gold-digging.
Yeah, I know that sounds harsh and I don't mean it to be. I'm just saying that is a concern. Especially when every one of them says that they didn't tell their story when it actually happened but NOW they are all going to "come forward".

Doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth. Just saying that it's a bit concerning...especially when I factor in that all of this happened 30 years ago when they were all young hot actresses trying to get a break in Hollywood, and Cosby was THE man.

Just seems like he could have simply ASKED any one of them to fuck him back then and they would have gladly done it just to get a break in the industry. Hell, he probably had young hot wanna be actresses throwing themselves at him constantly back then.

[Joshua G]

why do these holier-than-thou types, preaching to the world how to behave, always have the worst skeletons?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Robbie

BUT...if he simply was buying them because so many girls loved doing them back in the day (and they did...I became an adult at the tail end of quaaludes being available, and it seemed like everybody was doing them), then "no" he's not a rapist.

dude...dude. i mean, dude. he's down there with the pedos in his predatory behavior. guy is scum. come on man!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sure looks bad.
But in all fairness, if people taking pills, drugs, and alcohol before having sex is a crime then everybody on Earth would be in jail.

Now if he slipped them the Quaaludes without their knowledge and then fucked them while they were passed out...yeah, that's drug rape.

BUT...if he simply was buying them because so many girls loved doing them back in the day (and they did...I became an adult at the tail end of quaaludes being available, and it seemed like everybody was doing them), then "no" he's not a rapist.

The voice of reason.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sure looks bad.
But in all fairness, if people taking pills, drugs, and alcohol before having sex is a crime then everybody on Earth would be in jail.

Now if he slipped them the Quaaludes without their knowledge and then fucked them while they were passed out...yeah, that's drug rape.

BUT...if he simply was buying them because so many girls loved doing them back in the day (and they did...I became an adult at the tail end of quaaludes being available, and it seemed like everybody was doing them), then "no" he's not a rapist.

I'm kinda undecided myself.
On one hand I've watched several women give some pretty convincing stories on the news.

On the other hand, it's hard to tell if what they are saying is true...or if they are just gold-digging.
Yeah, I know that sounds harsh and I don't mean it to be. I'm just saying that is a concern. Especially when every one of them says that they didn't tell their story when it actually happened but NOW they are all going to "come forward".

Doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth. Just saying that it's a bit concerning...especially when I factor in that all of this happened 30 years ago when they were all young hot actresses trying to get a break in Hollywood, and Cosby was THE man.

Just seems like he could have simply ASKED any one of them to fuck him back then and they would have gladly done it just to get a break in the industry. Hell, he probably had young hot wanna be actresses throwing themselves at him constantly back then.

I agree with you completely.

If he is intentionally slipping drugs to women with the intent of knocking them out to have sex with them, that's rape. However, if he is going to a party where everyone is taking drugs and drinking and the woman are "more wiling" because of it... That's a different story.

The one case that seems to get the most traction is the woman who claims she was raped by Cosby at the Playboy Mansion when she was fifteen. I don't mean to imply that it's acceptable for a woman to be raped because she went to the Playboy Mansion, but I am guessing she didn't go there for a study session. Chances are she was drinking and popping pills long before she ran into Cosby that night.

I am also not saying Cosby is innocent either. It seems that a lot of women from the "comedy circuit" are saying that everyone knew Cosby was a womanizer.

[Mickey_]

Rapist Finally Admits He's a Rapist So Now We're Sure He's a Rapist | Above Average

[CaptainHowdy]

The moralist actually being an immoral character it's so "Psychology 101" ...

[Jel]

bill cosby isn't a rapist, and MJ never fiddled with kids. talk about cling desperately to the tiniest glimmer of overwhelming evidence being incorrect.

Oh, also, donny long was 100% set up.

If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's a fucking duck.

The one saving grace of this thread is that it's obvious a few people have never dealt with sexual abuse/rape in their lives, and that is a good thing.

[TCLGirls]

Even if every one of Cosby's accusers were sober, and voluntarily accepted drugs from Cosby with a clear mind, it doesn't change the nature of the accusations against Cosby. If Cosby had sex with those women while those women were intoxicated, that is rape.

...because an intoxicated person does not have the legal capacity to consent to sex. Just like an intoxicated person does not have the legal capacity to enter into a legal contract. It does not matter if the person voluntarily ingested drugs, secretly ingested drugs, or was forced to ingest drugs.

[Robbie]

Saw Jimmie Walker on CNN and then later with Shepard Smith on FNC.

He said that "everyone knew" that Cosby was a womanizer. He said that everywhere he and Cosby were at in the 1970's and 1980's...Bill Cosby had hot women.

He then told a story of working a comedy club back during that time. He met a super hot woman at the bar. He said he started making her moves on him.
She told him that her "boyfriend" was working at another comedy club.

So Walker told her that her boyfriend couldn't be "bigger" than he was in the biz.
She told him that her "boyfriend" was Bill Cosby.

Walker said that's the way it was with Cosby. He was known to have tons of women on the side behind his wife's back.
And Walker said that he never saw Cosby NEEDING to rape anybody. He said the women were throwing themselves at him.

Not saying that Cosby didn't do it. My old lady pointed out that it might be his fetish to drug girls and fuck them (even though he didn't need to do that).

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Even if every one of Cosby's accusers were sober, and voluntarily accepted drugs from Cosby with a clear mind, it doesn't change the nature of the accusations against Cosby. If Cosby had sex with those women while those women were intoxicated, that is rape.

Then millions of people across the world just committed "rape".

Jesus fucking Christ. Now partying and fucking between 2 consenting adults is "rape". Not just the women...but the guys too if they are drunk or high. WTF? So 2 people out partying go home with each other afterwards and fuck. They just "raped" each other.

That's the kind of statement that is offensive to actual rape victims, and overall is just foolish.
So now nobody can have sex ever again when they are high or drinking. What a boring ass world you have envisioned.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Even if every one of Cosby's accusers were sober, and voluntarily accepted drugs from Cosby with a clear mind, it doesn't change the nature of the accusations against Cosby. If Cosby had sex with those women while those women were intoxicated, that is rape.

...because an intoxicated person does not have the legal capacity to consent to sex. Just like an intoxicated person does not have the legal capacity to enter into a legal contract. It does not matter if the person voluntarily ingested drugs, secretly ingested drugs, or was forced to ingest drugs.

legally, maybe. But that's horseshit and everyone knows it, out here in the real world.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Saw Jimmie Walker on CNN and then later with Shepard Smith on FNC.

He said that "everyone knew" that Cosby was a womanizer. He said that everywhere he and Cosby were at in the 1970's and 1980's...Bill Cosby had hot women.

He then told a story of working a comedy club back during that time. He met a super hot woman at the bar. He said he started making her moves on him.
She told him that her "boyfriend" was working at another comedy club.

So Walker told her that her boyfriend couldn't be "bigger" than he was in the biz.
She told him that her "boyfriend" was Bill Cosby.

Walker said that's the way it was with Cosby. He was known to have tons of women on the side behind his wife's back.
And Walker said that he never saw Cosby NEEDING to rape anybody. He said the women were throwing themselves at him.

Not saying that Cosby didn't do it. My old lady pointed out that it might be his fetish to drug girls and fuck them (even though he didn't need to do that).

rape is seldom about just wanting to have sex, the way you and I 'just' want sex (not with each other though, obviously :D )

[Robbie]

Fuck, I just realized that this last Saturday night...Claudia Marie and I "raped" each other because we got drunk as hell and went back to our hotel room and had sex.
At least that's what happened using TCLGirls definition of "rape".

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fuck, I just realized that this last Saturday night...Claudia Marie and I "raped" each other because we got drunk as hell and went back to our hotel room and had sex.
At least that's what happened using TCLGirls definition of "rape".

Congrats. Knowing is half the battle!!

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Jel

legally, maybe. But that's horseshit and everyone knows it, out here in the real world.

It might be horseshit because people have been doing that for centuries...it's still rape though. Just like drunk driving used to be "no big deal" for decades....then the law finally caught up.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Jel

rape is seldom about just wanting to have sex, the way you and I 'just' want sex (not with each other though, obviously :D )

Everything I've read about the classic definition of "rape" (a woman is beaten down and forced kicking and screaming to have sex) says that it's an act of violence, not sexual.

That's what CM was saying when she suggested that perhaps it IS a sexual thing for him if he did it. Just like that billionaire that Dog the Bounty Hunter caught down in Mexico a couple of years back.

Remember that? He was young and loaded with money and women. BUT...he got off on drugging girls and filming himself fucking them while they were passed out.
A sick fetish that landed him in jail even though he didn't NEED to do what he did...he could have just fucked them by asking.

Maybe Cosby was into that same sexual fetish? If so, then yeah...he's a "rapist" even though the women involved would have all fucked him consensually if he had just asked them to.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

It might be horseshit because people have been doing that for centuries...it's still rape though. Just like drunk driving used to be "no big deal" for decades....then the law finally caught up.

You need to get out and meet some girls in real life and lighten up a bit.

None of us would probably ever have been born if our parents weren't both a little drunk or high and had sex.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Then millions of people across the world just committed "rape".

Jesus fucking Christ. Now partying and fucking between 2 consenting adults is "rape". Not just the women...but the guys too if they are drunk or high. WTF? So 2 people out partying go home with each other afterwards and fuck. They just "raped" each other.

If a person has sex with an intoxicated person, that is rape. If both people are intoxicated, both have raped each other. Because in both those situations, there is no legal mutual consent

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's the kind of statement that is offensive to actual rape victims, and overall is just foolish.

An "actual" rape victim is one who has sex without giving consent.

Originally Posted by Robbie

So now nobody can have sex ever again when they are high or drinking. What a boring ass world you have envisioned.

Who said that? Everyone is free to have sex with intoxicated persons if they wish to behave in that manner. They just risk the possibility of criminal prosecution. Whether a DA decides to actually prosecute depends on other circumstances.

[Robbie]

Bro, you're on your own with that shit.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fuck, I just realized that this last Saturday night...Claudia Marie and I "raped" each other because we got drunk as hell and went back to our hotel room and had sex.
At least that's what happened using TCLGirls definition of "rape".

So all this time I was eating E and drinking with my girlfriends, fucking each others brains out and waking up the next day still in an afterglow of the nights uninhibited fuck fest, damn near high fiving each other for the others performance was rape? OHHHhhhhhh shit, it will be another 20 years when I get charges filed against me ....Fuck me , anyone know a good lawyer?

This is a bad case for REAL Rape victims everywhere, and will hurt its cause..

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Everything I've read about the classic definition of "rape" (a woman is beaten down and forced kicking and screaming to have sex) says that it's an act of violence, not sexual.

Violence is not a necessary element of rape.

Rape: However most states have refined and broadened the statutory definition of rape so that marriage, gender, and force are not relevant. The victim's lack of consent is the crucial element. A lack of consent can include the victim's inability to say "no" to intercourse, due to the effects of drugs or alcohol.

Rape - FindLaw

[mineistaken]

In before BM explains the situation.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

It might be horseshit because people have been doing that for centuries...it's still rape though. Just like drunk driving used to be "no big deal" for decades....then the law finally caught up.

No, it's horseshit because being drunk/high doesn't automatically mean you wouldn't have consented had you been sober. That it's used as a 100% clear line is horseshit, that you think it's correct means you are full of horseshit, and your dumb as fuck comparison to drink driving is also horseshit. You sir, are a horse full of shit. Every post you make on this forum is riddled with horseshit, your use of a colored font is horseshit to my eyes, and according to google your initials 'TCL' is illuminati-speak for 'HORSESHIT'.

Fuck off back to your shit of horses infested stable you call home, and leave the serious discussions to adults who don't have horseshit running through their veins.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You need to get out and meet some girls in real life and lighten up a bit.

None of us would probably ever have been born if our parents weren't both a little drunk or high and had sex.

Mom, was Never a Whore!;)

[epitome]

I never doubted he was. Too many women had the same story.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Jel

No, it's horseshit because being drunk/high doesn't automatically mean you wouldn't have consented had you been sober. That it's used as a 100% clear line is horseshit, that you think it's correct means you are full of horseshit, and your dumb as fuck comparison to drink driving is also horseshit. You sir, are a horse full of shit. Every post you make on this forum is riddled with horseshit, your use of a colored font is horseshit to my eyes, and according to google your initials 'TCL' is illuminati-speak for 'HORSESHIT'.

Fuck off back to your shit of horses infested stable you call home, and leave the serious discussions to adults who don't have horseshit running through their veins.

If a person is intoxicated and cannot give consent to sex, having sex with that person is rape. I already cited the law on that above.

[epitome]

Why am I not finding myself surprised that Robbie does not know the difference between consensual sex (even while intoxicated) and rape?

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Everything I've read about the classic definition of "rape" (a woman is beaten down and forced kicking and screaming to have sex) says that it's an act of violence, not sexual.

That's what CM was saying when she suggested that perhaps it IS a sexual thing for him if he did it. Just like that billionaire that Dog the Bounty Hunter caught down in Mexico a couple of years back.

Remember that? He was young and loaded with money and women. BUT...he got off on drugging girls and filming himself fucking them while they were passed out.
A sick fetish that landed him in jail even though he didn't NEED to do what he did...he could have just fucked them by asking.

Maybe Cosby was into that same sexual fetish? If so, then yeah...he's a "rapist" even though the women involved would have all fucked him consensually if he had just asked them to.

It's power/control rather than strictly violent, you don't have to use violence to control the other person (even if it's a situation that has nothing to do with rape). Obviously it's pretty complicated and has many intricacies, but at the root of it is that word 'control', however it's gained.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

If a person is intoxicated and cannot give consent to sex, having sex with that person is rape. I already cited the law on that above.

and like I said, that may be the legal definition, but in the real world, that's horseshit, and anyone with half a brain that isn't full of horseshit understands this. That you would argue it matters not a jot if eg a husband and wife were both drunk, and had sex with each other (in your words, raped each other) shows you for the clown you have proven yourself to be over and over on this forum.

You do indeed do a disservice to genuine victims of non-consensual sexual abuse, and for that, you're a horseshit filled cunt

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Jel

It's power/control rather than strictly violent, you don't have to use violence to control the other person (even if it's a situation that has nothing to do with rape). Obviously it's pretty complicated and has many intricacies, but at the root of it is that word 'control', however it's gained.

Agreed. I was just saying that when I was growing up and you said someone was "raped", it meant that you were forced against your will.

Then there was "statutory rape" which meant that anyone under a certain age didn't have the right to consent to sex.

The first example was the one I was referring to when I said that psychiatrist's have always labeled "rape" as a crime of violence as opposed to sex.

If Cosby slipped girls knockout drugs and then fucked them while they were passed out...it's not an act of violence like the classic "rape" definition was.

It's purely sexual and some kind of fetish. Most likely the "control" thing you're speaking of.
And yes, drugging a person without their knowledge and fucking them while they are out is definitely a form of "rape" and if Cosby did that he should have went to jail.

Which is the fucked up part...because if any of these women had went to the police and had a rape test done...then none of this would be discussed now.
Cosby would have already been in prison 30 years ago.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Jel

and like I said, that may be the legal definition, but in the real world, that's horseshit, and anyone with half a brain that isn't full of horseshit understands this.

The legal definition of rape is part of the real world, because people are prosecuted and jailed for committing that act as defined.

Originally Posted by Jel

That you would argue it matters not a jot if eg a husband and wife were both drunk, and had sex with each other (in your words, raped each other) shows you for the clown you have proven yourself to be over and over on this forum.

In terms of the legal definition of rape, it does not matter. All that matters is if the act fits the definition. Whether, a DA decides to actually prosecute is a different question, like I laready stated above.

Originally Posted by Jel

You do indeed do a disservice to genuine victims of non-consensual sexual abuse, and for that, you're a horseshit filled cunt

Moving the goal posts...rape does not necessarily indicate "abuse", so the victims of sexual abuse should not have any qualms about who the law considers victims of rape. Those two issues can stand on their own.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Agreed. I was just saying that when I was growing up and you said someone was "raped", it meant that you were forced against your will.

Then there was "statutory rape" which meant that anyone under a certain age didn't have the right to consent to sex.

The first example was the one I was referring to when I said that psychiatrist's have always labeled "rape" as a crime of violence as opposed to sex.

If Cosby slipped girls knockout drugs and then fucked them while they were passed out...it's not an act of violence like the classic "rape" definition was.

It's purely sexual and some kind of fetish. Most likely the "control" thing you're speaking of.
And yes, drugging a person without their knowledge and fucking them while they are out is definitely a form of "rape" and if Cosby did that he should have went to jail.

Which is the fucked up part...because if any of these women had went to the police and had a rape test done...then none of this would be discussed now.
Cosby would have already been in prison 30 years ago.

well I can see why they didn't - at that time, all it would have proven is that they'd had sex with Cosby, and just like now it'd be their word against his. She'd claim being drugged, he'd say it was all consensual drug taking/sex.

It's easy with hindsight to say what we would have done, but not everyone is the same, none of the victims knew about the others, and it's like the jimmy savill situation over here - this huge presence of a guy, well-known, loved by millions, the perception of who he is, and some kids come along and say he was a kiddie fiddler - kids in care no less, tarred with that same kind of brush as 'aspiring actress attempting to kick-start a career'.

One in-care kid... one aspiring actress... they pretty much know nobody is going to believe them, so each one says jack shit - to say nothing of the mental process that happens with such an intrusion on a person, which is the main 'event' if you like, like being smacked down by a woman, the bruises heal quick, but knowing mentally how you just got taken for a cunt is a lot harder to get over, and come to terms with internally.

Of all the doubts to have, in any sexual assault/rape case, the passage of a long amount of time is one that is often used, and is the least relevant (in fact it has no relevance). It's *extremely* hard to understand the mental anguish of sexual assault/rape victims, which is why most people just can't grasp why sometimes/oftentimes nothing is said nearer the occurences, and often is never said at all.

[Jel]

tclgirls, you're a fucking moronic troll (I assume you are trolling, surely no self-employed person can be as dumb as you are pretending to be), so:

you are right. I am wrong.

[arock10]

It's just a little rape guys

[arock10]

Ps Cosby is obviously a serial rapist.... Obviously

It's clearly not about the sex when he can basically tuck anyone but has to resort to this

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Jel

tclgirls, you're a fucking moronic troll (I assume you are trolling, surely no self-employed person can be as dumb as you are pretending to be), so:

you are right. I am wrong.

I cited the legal definition of rape. If you have a problem with the legal definition of rape, you could always lobby your local representative to draft new rape laws.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

...because an intoxicated person does not have the legal capacity to consent to sex.

Yes but.... That makes 99% of all men and women rapists. Nearly all of us have had drunken sex before, and by these standards that's illegal because one or both parties were unable to give consent.

Technically, this means my wife raped me after her Christmas party last year.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes but.... That makes 99% of all men and women rapists. Nearly all of us have had drunken sex before, and by these standards that's illegal because one or both parties were unable to give consent.

Technically, this means my wife raped me after her Christmas party last year.

There could exist intoxicated states of mind that are still within the scope of legal consent. This I have not denied. So if a person wishes to thread that fine line, then so be it.

[CaptainHowdy]

I'm just here for the pink letters ...

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

If a person is intoxicated and cannot give consent to sex, having sex with that person is rape.

Not where I am from...that's called a typical Friday night out.

[bloggerz]

After the first few, OK i gave him the benefit of the doubt, but after 40? Come on this guy needs to put in jail

[gnawledge]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

why do these holier-than-thou types, preaching to the world how to behave, always have the worst skeletons?

Yes. The most fucked up people claim richeousness and moral value. It's a sad time when you find out people you've admired are bigger pieces of shit than the ones you are brainwashed to hate.

[bronco67]

If there was video of Cosby drugging and raping 40 women, there'd still be people in this thread going "well, I don't know. It was the 70's, women are crazy, blah blah. Might be consensual, just sayin".

[Bladewire]

The media hates Trump, Crosbie & Hillary. The media has taken more from Crosbie & Trump recently. Some say the media took the election away from Hillary her last run

[American Psycho]

Well based on TCLgirls logic I rape myself quite regularly....

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Well based on TCLgirls logic I rape myself quite regularly....

You can't rape the willing

Like the recent movie Sleeping Beauty, consent ual passiveness is real and legal. Somnophilia

Also, if someone wants to close their eyes while getting blown, and focus on what's turning them on, you should not be denied credit card processing for that like I was for my new site. BS

Only went to one processor so far but still wtf?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You can't rape the willing

According to TCLGirls...yes you can.

Just goes to show how pathetic our society has become.