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Old 08-01-2015, 02:47 PM   #51
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It sure takes ********** a whole bunch of words to try and justify denying the reality.

And also to point at rednecks, hee haw, and hillbillies. Maybe if his new house burned down in a fire because firefighters couldn't put water on it because a drone was hovering, he'd see the light.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:17 PM   #52
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Take it easy on making this a personal thing there, skippy. You've been good for a while now.

Ok. I'll take it back, but you shouldn't call everyone Libitards and insult Canadians anymore because because of what I or others might say. Otherwise, people might call you a bigot.
wait, you're the guy who began this off with the redneck hee haw hillbilly bullshit.

just don't start with it and i won't finish it. simple. and the only canadians i've insulted are the ones that have tried to insult me. and i treat people like they deserve to be treated. and i also don't call everyone libtards, i just call the libtards libtards.
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What a crock of shit from guess who? the US Congress and parroted by the FAA.

These drones are self piloted skeet targets.

Regardless of what you may think, this is heading to the courts. Overflight may not be a tort but a drone with a camera is no different than a peeping tom trespasser. Last time I checked that was criminal trespass of privacy and that is a high level misdemeanor crime in every state.

This Lawyer seems to agree with my citation ...
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It is well-settled that agencies do not possess inherent powers, but instead derive authority only as delegated by Congress. See Louisiana Pub. Serv. Comm n v. FCC, 476 U.S. 355, 374 (1986). It is therefore a fallacy to suggest that the FAA controls what people are permitted to do in every cubic inch of airspace above American soil simply by virtue of being the nation’s federal “aviation” agency. The fundamental airspace distinction identified in Causby continues to be reflected in the language of the current Federal Aviation Act. In the Federal Aviation Act, the section relating to Safety Considerations in Public Interest indicates that the FAA is authorized to “control[] the use of the navigable airspace and regulat[e] civil and military operations in that airspace in the interest of the safety and efficiency of
both of those operations.” 49 U.S.C. § 40101(d)(4) (emphasis added). The statute also provides that with respect to “Use of Airspace[,] The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall develop plans and policy for the use of the navigable airspace.” 49 U.S.C. § 40103(b)(1). (emphasis added). As the administrator acknowledged in the full briefing on this issue before Judge Geraghty, navigable airspace generally begins 500 feet above ground level, as defined in 49 U.S.C. 40102(32) and prescribed in 14 C.F.R. § 91.119. Thus, even if Congress could authorize FAA regulation of activity in airspace below 500 feet without violating the principles in Causby, it has not done so. Rather, the FAA’s organic statue empowers the agency to regulate only the activity in “navigable airspace.” A broader grant of statutory authority to the FAA would require the nation to revisit the property rights demarcation addressed in the 1926 Air Commerce Act and Causby. You have admitted in your comment that state and local governments can regulate airspace lower than 500 feet, but merely suggest that this right is limited. We are in agreement there. They may regulate their own agencies’ drone flight operations; and; They may regulate the locations from which drones may be launched or landed. I sit on the board of a local municipality situated less than 400 yards from an airport. We have ultralight, drone, and small aircraft issues and proposed legislation/ordinances before us on a regular basis.

If there is an urban myth here, it is that the FAA doesn’t control airspace below 400 feet. Regulation 14 C.F.R. § 91.119 [citation added] requires that aircraft used in commerce stay at 500 or more feet in altitude above rural areas and 1,000 feet above urban areas. The FAA takes the position that “there are no shades of gray in FAA regulations,” and, thus, anyone who wants to fly, manned or unmanned in the United States airspace needs some level of FAA approval.” Time will tell.
He's just a licensed attorney so he's probably full of shit, he didn't go to to continuing ed courses ... The fact is: I find that same 1942 SCOTUS ruling repeatedly cited in connection with drone and airspace regulations. So, everybody is full of shit I guess.

Well, what the FAA has done is said UAS that are operated as 'private hobbyist model aircraft' can be exempted from safety regulation. Really, the FAA is washing their hands (or trying to) of regulating private hobbyist model aircraft, then differing the commercial UAS regulatory schema to a case by case basis limiting the regulation to the FAA's aircraft safety mandate.

So, stay lower than 400 feet and out of the way of the private and commercial licensed aircraft that the FAA regulates. The FAA doesn't want to have jack-shit to do with private hobbyist model aircraft -- keep the fuck out of our airspace is what the FAA is saying here.
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What a crock of shit from guess who? the US Congress and parroted by the FAA.

These drones are self piloted skeet targets.

Regardless of what you may think, this is heading to the courts. Overflight may not be a tort but a drone with a camera is no different than a peeping tom trespasser. Last time I checked that was criminal trespass of privacy and that is a high level misdemeanor crime in every state.

This Lawyer seems to agree with my citation ...


He's just a licensed attorney so he's probably full of shit, he didn't go to to continuing ed courses ... The fact is: I find that same 1942 SCOTUS ruling repeatedly cited in connection with drone and airspace regulations. So, everybody is full of shit I guess.

Well, what the FAA has done is said UAS that are operated as 'private hobbyist model aircraft' can be exempted from safety regulation. Really, the FAA is washing their hands (or trying to) of regulating private hobbyist model aircraft, then differing the commercial UAS regulatory schema to a case by case basis limiting the regulation to the FAA's aircraft safety mandate.

So, stay lower than 400 feet and out of the way of the private and commercial licensed aircraft that the FAA regulates. The FAA doesn't want to have jack-shit to do with private hobbyist model aircraft -- keep the fuck out of our airspace is what the FAA is saying here.
Yes the 400ft rule for model aircraft is there for safety reasons. It provides a 100ft safety barrier between the models and the lowest legal operating altitude for full scale aircraft operating in rural areas.

It's the same reason that airplanes have assigned altitudes even when not talking to air traffic control, based on their heading when flying at 3000ft or above. They must maintain 1000ft of vertical seperation. And above FL180 (18,000 feet) it increases to 2000 feet of vertical seperation. Above FL290, it increases again to 3000 feet of vertical seperation, plus 5 nautical miles horizontal seperation.

Aircraft flying between 500ft - 3000ft have the responsibily to "see and be seen" in order to avoid problems.

Keeping the model aircraft 100ft below the legal operating altitude of airplanes, keeps them out of the mess above them. And now you know exactly why the 400ft rule exists.

The FAA does not want to regulate model aircraft, because up until recently, RC pilots have had a stellar safety record by simply policing themselves. And they have a large, well financed organization called the Academy of Model Aeronautics that acts as a liason between the model pilots and the FAA, and also lobbies congress when needed on model pilot's behalf. Kind of like the NRA but not so crazy. The FAA knows that it cant just step in and start wildy throwing a bunch of new rules around without a lot of serious opposition. Many real pilots started off as model pilots and are still AMA members as well, as are many employees of the FAA.
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So the real question is, and it looks like a grey area, who owns the airspace rights below 500ft? There is a lot of state legislation pending protecting property owner's rights.

So how would you stop an intruding drone? A rifle with a sound suppressor is a federal felony -- but it seems the logical choice -- RF jamming or laser weapons would endanger aircraft.
  1. A new hi-power pellet gun or rifle with a laser sight?
  2. A mini non-explosive rocket launcher designed to down a drone.
  3. An anti drone weapons array on your rooftop?

These drones are going to become commonplace in 5 or 10 years. Looks like an easy venture capital project the demand will be guaranteed by the targets of surveillance both government and private.
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So the real question is, and it looks like a grey area, who owns the airspace rights below 500ft? There is a lot of state legislation pending protecting property owner's rights.

So how would you stop an intruding drone? A rifle with a sound suppressor is a federal felony -- but it seems the logical choice -- RF jamming or laser weapons would endanger aircraft.
  1. A new hi-power pellet gun or rifle with a laser sight?
  2. A mini non-explosive rocket launcher designed to down a drone.
  3. An anti drone weapons array on your rooftop?

These drones are going to become commonplace in 5 or 10 years. Looks like an easy venture capital project the demand will be guaranteed by the targets of surveillance both government and private.
Electric force field that zaps anything that enters below that level, might need a cat to eat all the birds that drop as well. Could also use high powered water to blast it outta da air and reduce bird fatalities as maybe only 50% would drown or get their wings knocked off.

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You don't need a drone for that. Use Google Earth to see my house, and send me $10 and I'll turn on my double-headed dong cam for you.
Raise your pricing if looking to replace the Volt with a Tesla sooner than later.
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Electric force field that zaps anything that enters below that level, might need a cat to eat all the birds that drop as well. ...
Maybe the frequency could be altered to sonic and to a beam that would only target non-organic intruders.

That sounds good to me we will call the device "Drone Patrol" alpha production testing 2018 ...
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Why would someone feel the need to video my private life or property? Is he looking to see if I?m home? Is he looking for targets for theft? Is he looking before a home invasion? Is he recording my partially clothed young children or wife for some sick reason? Will the photos be on the internet?

There is zero need to photo/ take videos of others private property or persons without their consent unless you have ulterior motives.
That there are people not agreeing with your statement is beyond me.
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wait, you're the guy who began this off with the redneck hee haw hillbilly bullshit.

just don't start with it and i won't finish it. simple. and the only canadians i've insulted are the ones that have tried to insult me. and i treat people like they deserve to be treated. and i also don't call everyone libtards, i just call the libtards libtards.
You don't want others to call people names, but you want, sorry, expect, free license to do just that. Almighty then.
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You don't want others to call people names, but you want, sorry, expect, free license to do just that. Almighty then.
again, **********, this thread is a textbook example of your starting off the name calling with your redneck hee haw hillbilly insult. and i'll tell you something else, **********- i am a hee haw watching redneck with hillbilly relatives. i grew up that way, my entire family did. my friends did. so right off the bat right here in this thread you insulted me, my family, my friends and my upbringing.

so let's be real clear, **********, when you knock off the disrespectful, over-generalizing, uneducated, broad-sweeping, finger-pointing insults, then you will see that others like myself will stop trying to let you know how wrong that is by treating you the same.

you don't see me treating everyone like i treat you, and that's because they don't talk to me like you do. robbie, barry, l-pink, baddog, many others here i disagree with on quite a few topics but guys like that can debate their views without denigrating and insulting me, that's refreshing and how it should be and that's why i get along with those guys and others like them, you are welcome to join that group, and quite frankly, i'd rather you would.
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So the real question is, and it looks like a grey area, who owns the airspace rights below 500ft? There is a lot of state legislation pending protecting property owner's rights.

So how would you stop an intruding drone? A rifle with a sound suppressor is a federal felony -- but it seems the logical choice -- RF jamming or laser weapons would endanger aircraft.
  1. A new hi-power pellet gun or rifle with a laser sight?
  2. A mini non-explosive rocket launcher designed to down a drone.
  3. An anti drone weapons array on your rooftop?

These drones are going to become commonplace in 5 or 10 years. Looks like an easy venture capital project the demand will be guaranteed by the targets of surveillance both government and private.
In here, in the country of freedom you can use sound suppressors in rifles, but I would still choose a drone with good air-to-air capabilities. Maybe with the possibility to make pre-emptive strike, so air-to-ground capability wouldn't hurt either.
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So how many shots were fired to the drone?
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Somebody is going to start making these and get rich

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How do you save a facebook video? I cant post it here because it's private.

A local Vegas celebrity was having a problem with his neighbor harassing him with an Inspire 1 drone, so I said whatever you do, dont shoot it... but model aircraft fly into each other quite often on accident.

So he bought a cheap used drone, and flew it into the expensive Inspire 1... and crashed it.
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http://www.mrpheer.com/dronekill.mp4

Looks like the crash video was removed.
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It seems a bit odd that someone is able to fly something right above your property. I mean we're not talking about a plane flying a mile up.
Insurance companies do it all the time now, and have been doing so for over 2 years.
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How do you save a facebook video? I cant post it here because it's private.

A local Vegas celebrity was having a problem with his neighbor harassing him with an Inspire 1 drone, so I said whatever you do, dont shoot it... but model aircraft fly into each other quite often on accident.

So he bought a cheap used drone, and flew it into the expensive Inspire 1... and crashed it.
Now I like that idea, interceptor suicide drones -- that is fair game!
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Insurance companies do it all the time now, and have been doing so for over 2 years.
I have never heard of that happening in the United States or within the EU. However, an insurance company would have an insured interest to protect and when you insure property you give that insurance company the right to inspect your property.

If you shot down or interfere with the insurance company's drone they would definitely cancel your insurance policy.
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How do you save a facebook video? I cant post it here because it's private.

A local Vegas celebrity was having a problem with his neighbor harassing him with an Inspire 1 drone, so I said whatever you do, dont shoot it... but model aircraft fly into each other quite often on accident.

So he bought a cheap used drone, and flew it into the expensive Inspire 1... and crashed it.

Awesome!

"Incoming drones, scramble defensive drones, scramble defensive drones ... THIS IS NOT A DRILL! ... Incoming drones"

Perfect.


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also, the latest update is he used a shotgun/bird shot to shoot it, which makes a lot more sense. he answered the door, when the drone crew arrived, with his glock .40, i would have stuck with the shottie.
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use this here and the cops are coming ten minutes later
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that is btw dangerous for your health
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I saw a dude at a park a few days ago, flying a drone with some sort of google glasses set up. Is that a normal thing?

It actually took me a few minutes to figure out he was the one controlling it, because he wasn't watching the drone in the air, but rather some sort of glasses.
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Autonomous delivery will come

It may be creepy, but the business case is just too damn good. If you had autonomous parcel delivery you can be quick and cost effective (no delivery trucks or personnel). Amazon is testing it and in Germany DHL has a parcel-copter that services a pharmacy on an island in the North Sea from the mainland. This thing can even fly, when bad weather prevents other means of delivery.
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would it be legal? i thought the legal grounds for all this is interfering with an aircraft
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would it be legal? i thought the legal grounds for all this is interfering with an aircraft
No, it's illegal.

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It may be creepy, but the business case is just too damn good. If you had autonomous parcel delivery you can be quick and cost effective (no delivery trucks or personnel). Amazon is testing it and in Germany DHL has a parcel-copter that services a pharmacy on an island in the North Sea from the mainland. This thing can even fly, when bad weather prevents other means of delivery.

It isn't creepy. I have no problem if the drone delivery vehicles travel over the public right of way streets and roads like a wheeled ground delivery truck does today. If the drone enters your private property in a safe manner like a delivery truck would come onto your property for the purpose of delivering goods to you -- there is no problem at all.

The only problem I have is when a drone enters your property without permission, you do have airspace property rights to an altitude of at least 500ft that has been established (US Laws). You have given delivery drones permission the same was you give delivery trucks permission -- to make a delivery of the goods that you want (ordered delivered).


@_Richard_: Depends. Can you disable a police car that is in your driveway? Can you destroy an inanimate flying object in the private airspace above your property that is trespassing?

It's against the law to discharge a firearm inside city limits here. There isn't a 'drone hunting season' and you can use a long bow to shoot arrows legally here. A drone is not a FAA (US Laws) regulated aircraft. If your jamming device will not interfere with regulated aircraft 500ft+ altitude -- it is not against the law? You can't claim damage to your property if it happens when you are in trespass only to your person under limited circumstances.

You may be defending your property rights under the trespass of privacy or trespass of chattel. Has not been through the courts yet AFIK.
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It isn't creepy. I have no problem if the drone delivery vehicles travel over the public right of way streets and roads like a wheeled ground delivery truck does today. If the drone enters your private property in a safe manner like a delivery truck would come onto your property for the purpose of delivering goods to you -- there is no problem at all.

The only problem I have is when a drone enters your property without permission, you do have airspace property rights to an altitude of at least 500ft that has been established (US Laws). You have given delivery drones permission the same was you give delivery trucks permission -- to make a delivery of the goods that you want (ordered delivered).


@_Richard_: Depends. Can you disable a police car that is in your driveway? Can you destroy an inanimate flying object in the private airspace above your property that is trespassing?

It's against the law to discharge a firearm inside city limits here. There isn't a 'drone hunting season' and you can use a long bow to shoot arrows legally here. A drone is not a FAA (US Laws) regulated aircraft. If your jamming device will not interfere with regulated aircraft 500ft+ altitude -- it is not against the law? You can't claim damage to your property if it happens when you are in trespass only to your person under limited circumstances.

You may be defending your property rights under the trespass of privacy or trespass of chattel. Has not been through the courts yet AFIK.
a drone is a FAA regulated craft, that is a decision put forth in november of 2014.. i know because i was following that drone mounted pistol with some interest

the question for the actual jammer would be local air traffic.. police / news helicopters etc

and now that i think about it lol, police drones
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a drone is a FAA regulated craft, that is a decision put forth in november of 2014.. i know because i was following that drone mounted pistol with some interest

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No, private drones are relegated [consign or dismiss to an inferior rank or position.] Private drones are relegated to under the FAA airspace that is regulated and the FAA sets no standard for their airworthiness.

Private drones are unregulated as 'hobbyist model' aircraft.

Commercial drones for delivery, private security, mini crop dusting? are pending FAA regulation.

A private airborne weapon would be regulated under federal weapons laws. Is a RF jamming device regulated -- probably so. Is a suicide mission drone used to 'kill' a private drone that is trespassing regulated? Not in itself but if a person is harmed it may be ...
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