Lion Murderer Walt Palmer Has Done More For Conservation Than You Have

[WarChild]

Lion murderer Walt Palmer is an asshole. But, he?s also an asshole who?s contributed more money to animal conservation in Africa than pretty much anyone else. In fact, trophy hunters like him are a large part of the reason we still have animals like lions at all.


Hunting is one of those things that, if you don?t do it, probably flies in the face of your carefully curated 21st century morals. Everyone likes animals, so killing them is wrong, right? The fact is that there?s far more nuance to the argument than that.

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[MiamiBoyz]

Perhaps but he's still a pussy asshole!

[jscott]

lame defense, nice try Walt

anyone really wanna try to get into this argument? ughhhh

[Slappin Fish]

That article doesn't take into account that cecil was a "celebrity". Brought in tourism money. Preserve will lose out on that revenue now.

"That’s at least $100,000 that he’s personally put into African economies..." lol. How much of that money will go to the preserve and how much $ will just fund other illegal crap.

Vehicles will drive right up to these lions so the tourist can take pictures. They're half domesticated. It's as much hunting as kicking your neighbor's cat in the face. Moronic and pointless.

[Colmike9]

Why is everyone mad at him when the "guides" he paid were supposed to secure legal permits to do a hunt on supposedly legal grounds and wasn't told that it was a collared lion?..

[jscott]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Why is everyone mad at him when the "guides" he paid were supposed to secure legal permits to do a hunt on supposedly legal grounds and wasn't told that it was a collared lion?..

He's playing dumb about not knowing they were luring him? So he went out tracking the lion and found/killed him? man

Killing an animal for own entertainment, cutting off the head, and skinning it.... isnt that bad enough?

The guy is a known animal-related (and sexual harrassment) criminial!

[jscott]

Remember the old sayings:

- you make your bed, now lay in it (he is out to kill, he is smart and knows there are legal/illegal hunts, playing in that line of "entertainment" will get a lot of ppl into a lot of trouble, he needs to deal with the decisions he made)

- play with fire get burnt (hunting for entertainment purpose a lot of times leads to EASILY avoidable accidents... as they shouldnt be doing that in the first place)

[sarettah]

You can only kill an animal once, while you can watch it many times

One Point Of View On How Lions Can Earn Money For Africa : Goats and Soda : NPR

Legal trophy hunting is measured by the millions it contributes to Africa's economy while non-lethal nature viewing [is measured] by the billions.

Why the big difference?

A 2011 poll found over 70 percent of Americans would pay to see a lion. Less than seven percent would pay to kill a lion. And 95 percent Americans are opposed to hunting any species that are threatened, such as elephants and rhinos, and species that we suspect are endangered, like leopards. All of these can become trophies. It's a one-time economic gain that takes the animal out of the wild, out of the economy for a longtime value. In the case of Cecil, people travel[ed] to Africa to just to see him. If an [endangered] animal is taken out of the ecosystem and ends up on a mantle, tourists can't see it anymore.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/stop-...13648248684575

A November 2004 study by the University of Port Elizabeth estimated that eco-tourism on private game reserves generated "more than 15 times the income of livestock or game rearing or overseas hunting". (1) Eco-tourism lodges in Eastern Cape Province produce almost 2000 rand (£180) per hectare. Researchers also noted that more jobs were created and staff received "extensive skills training". (2)

The reasons for this are obvious. Although hunters pay large sums, ordinary tourists are much more numerous. Hunters shoot an animal once, but photographic tourists can shoot it a thousand times and the animal is still there. In 1982, it was estimated that a maned male lion earned Kenya National Parks $50,000 (£26,500) a year through photographic tourism.(3) In comparison, in neighbouring Tanzania, hunters currently pay a $2000 (£1060) trophy fee and the lion is gone forever.(4)

Trophy Hunting vs. Ecotourism Revenues Endangered Species Handbook

The irony of the slaughter of elephants and other large mammals for trophies is that the funds accrued from trophy hunting or ivory are miniscule in comparison to the value of these animals as ecotourist drawing cards. In Kenya, a 1989 analysis on the viewing value of elephants found that between $25 and $30 million per year was earned in tourist dollars from people attracted to the elephants alone (Brody 1994).

[Martin]

Lets really do some conservation and start to thin out the human heard. Fuck man, it takes me 2 hours to get out of the city limits. Too many damn humans on this rock.

[Jel]

If he was some kind of good-hearted benefactor that should be seen as 'what a great guy!' he would have donated some money without having an innate desire to only hand that money over if he gets the thrill of killing a live creature that like it or not, *is* different to killing an ant, or a cow, or a chicken. Some of the arguments from both sides of the fence on this one are fucking hilarious, and while I can see that yes, sometimes culling is necessary, so why not earn some $$$ from that procedure by charging someone to do the culling - there are still nuances that mean not every cull instance is the same.

I think the bloke is a cunt what with the posing next to a dead rhino, and the other pics that have surfaced, as far as I know though those ones were in fact legit and *did* help pump money into the larger scheme. So him being the kind of cunt that gets off on eg killing a rhino = hey, some cunts wil part with pretty decent money so let's utilise that.

This lion instance is different, and at first I also thought it was a big fuss over the 'normal' procedure, until I read more. I can't knock someone for being a cunt, mostly due to me being one in a ton of other areas, but if the bloke broke the law as well at the same time, well that's tough shit on him and he should (and obviously is) feeling the consequences. As usual though, people are going off in all sorts of tangents and unrelated side-arguments on both sides.

Has he done more for conservation that 99.99% of the people pissed at him? Well yes, but if I treat 35 consecutive girlfriends fantastically, restore their faith in men, share great experiences with them, get on well even after splitting up, then go and rape a woman, does that make the rape ok? Of course it doesn't, so all this 'but he did this other thing in some other instance' bollocks is... well, bollocks.

[michael.kickass]

[woj]

the main reason there is a lot of drama because lions look cute like your pet cat... so killing them doesn't feel right...

if it was some endangered snake on the other hand, I'm sure there would be zero fucks given...

what happened is not "cool", it's a pretty cruel "sport", one that perhaps only someone a little deviant would enjoy... but lets chill a bit, everyone is acting like he is some serial killer or something, when all he did is perhaps cross the line a bit...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Why is everyone mad at him when the "guides" he paid were supposed to secure legal permits to do a hunt on supposedly legal grounds and wasn't told that it was a collared lion?..

Because they lured it out of the preserve with bait, then tried to hide that they killed a lion with a gps tag.

It's about as much hunting as playing duck hunt in your home..

[dyna mo]

he didn't just cross the line a bit, woj, he flagrantly and knowingly jumped over it.

he claims he was merely a pawn to his guide right? wrong. his actions after the kill confirm that he knew he was wrong and tried to not get caught.

[scuba steve]

gq did an article like this last time, when that pretty blonde killed some big game animal(blanking on what it was). not supporting but really opened my eyes to the big game market and how it benefits, everything this was saying here

[Scott McD]

He is a CUNT and I hope he dies a slow horrible death.


/end

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he didn't just cross the line a bit, woj, he flagrantly and knowingly jumped over it.

he claims he was merely a pawn to his guide right? wrong. his actions after the kill confirm that he knew he was wrong and tried to not get caught.

I haven't really been following the story too closely, so I'm not even sure what line he crossed? that he lured the poor guy out of hiding? isn't that common practice in this "sport"? any one that hunts wildlife from deer hunters to fishermen uses lure and various tricks to help them catch their prey, don't they?

I'm not trying to imply that I support the guy, but the general response to what happened seems a bit excessive... people were throwing around fewer death threats and ill wills when talking about serial killers or terrorists...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

I haven't really been following the story too closely, so I'm not even sure what line he crossed? that he lured the poor guy out of hiding? isn't that common practice in this "sport"? any one that hunts wildlife from deer hunters to fishermen uses lure and various tricks to help them catch their prey, don't they?

I'm not trying to imply that I support the guy, but the general response to what happened seems a bit excessive... people were throwing around fewer death threats and ill wills when talking about serial killers or terrorists...

here are the official statements from that park-

JOINT PRESS STATEMENT BY ZIMBABWE PARKS AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY AND SAFARI OPERATORS ASSOCIATION OF ZIMBABWE ON THE ILLEGAL HUNT OF A COLLARED LION AT ANTOINETTE FARM, HWANGE DISTRICT ON 1 JULY 2015 IN GWAYI CONSERVANCY BY BUSHMAN SAFARIS PROFESSIONAL HUNTER, THEO BRONKHORST.

Theo Bronchorst, a professional hunter with Bushman Safaris is facing criminal charges (VIC FALLS Police CR 27/07/2015) for allegedly killing a collared lion on Antoinette farm in Gwayi Conservancy, Hwange district on 1 July 2015. The lion named ‘Cecil’ was well known and regularly sighted by tourists in the Main camp area of Hwange National Park. It is alleged that the hunter connived with the Antoinette land owner, Mr. Honest Trymore Ndlovu to kill the lion. Ongoing investigations to date, suggest that the killing of the lion was illegal since the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Therefore, all persons implicated in this case are due to appear in court facing poaching charges.

Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management as the Regulatory Authority and custodian of all wild animals in Zimbabwe issues hunting permits and hunting quota for all hunting areas in Zimbabwe so that only animals on quota are to be hunted. In this case, both the professional hunter and land owner had no permit or quota to justify the offtake of the lion and therefore are liable for the illegal hunt.

Both professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst’s licence number 553 who was involved in the hunt and the owner of Antoinette farm, Mr. Honest Trymore Ndlovu are being jointly charged for illegally hunting the lion. The two are due to appear in court on Wednesday, 29 July 2015. Efforts are being made to interview the other professional hunter, Zane Bronkhorst, licence number 558, who was also involved in the illegal hunt.






PRESS STATEMENT ON THE ILLEGAL HUNT OF A COLLARED LION IN HWANGE DISTRICT ON 1 JULY 2015 BY THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT,WATER AND CLIMATE, HONOURABLE O.C.Z MUCHINGURI AT ZIMBABWE PARKS AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY HEAD OFFICE ON 31 JULY 2015.




Ladies and gentlemen I make this statement with great sadness following the loss of an iconic attraction Cecil, the lion which we had successfully managed to look after both in terms of conservation and protection from a cub to a fully grown lion of 13 years. This is a lion we have been using for the purposes of research to monitor its movement patterns within the range of Hwange National Park and its surrounding areas.



The Government of Zimbabwe through the Parks and Wildlife Act Chapter 20:14 is mandated to manage and conserve wildlife in the country. This function is exercised through the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, whose main mandate is to conserve Zimbabwe’s wildlife heritage by ensuring that there is sustainable utilization of the natural resources. The Authority is charged with the responsibility to administer and regulate hunting, carry out antipoaching operations, carry out outreach programmes, manage human-wildlife conflicts, undertake research and to monitor programmes.



Trophy hunting in Zimbabwe can be conducted in safari areas, private land and CAMPFIRE areas and is regulated through the Parks and Wildlife Act Chapter 20:14. Hunting quotas are therefore allocated on a sustainable basis using scientifically proven methodologies on the wildlife populations available. Area specific hunting quotas and permits are issued out to land owners on an annual basis. Each hunting permit specifies the species, numbers and sexes of animals to be hunted in specific hunting areas. Trophy hunting is done and supervised by qualified professional hunters whose licenses are issued by the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority and can be withdrawn in the event of breaching any hunting laws and regulations.



There are two forms of wildlife utilization, i.e. consumptive and non-consumptive. Consumptive utilization is done in specific hunting areas for example safari areas such as Chewore, Chete and Matetsi. Non-consumptive utilization is done in strictly non-hunting areas for example national parks such as Hwange National Park, which was home to Cecil and his pride.





Ladies and gentlemen, on the 7th of July 2015 after receiving a tip-off, our law enforcement officers immediately started investigating the matter and discovered that on the 1st of July 2015, this lion was illegally killed by Dr Walter Palmer, a United States of America national and Theo Bronkhorst, a professional hunter with Bushman Safaris on Antoinette farm in Gwayi River Conservancy. The lion had a fitted GPS satellite collar as part of current research efforts being done in Hwange National Park and its surrounding areas. The lion was well known and regularly sighted by tourists.



Mr Honest Trymore Ndlovu owner of Antoinette farm was issued with a hunting quota for 2015 which excluded lions. Antoinette Farm is located in Gwayi River Conservancy in the Hwange Rural District and is adjacent to Hwange National Park. The professional hunter is alleged to have connived with the Antoinette land owner to kill the lion. The incident came to the attention of the Authority on the 7th of July 2015 through an informer. This was followed by an investigation which clearly demonstrated that the illegal killing was deliberate. Firstly the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Secondly, the use of a bow and an arrow was meant to conceal the illegal hunt by using a means that would not alert the rangers on patrol.



Execution of the illegal hunt violated a number of provisions of the Parks and Wildlife Act.

The professional hunter violated Section 66 of the Act which regulates the manner in which trophy hunts are conducted.
Both the client, Dr Palmer and the professional hunter violated Section 123 of the Act which controls the use of bow and arrow for hunting.
The client also violated the Act through financing an illegal hunt.
The land owner violated Section 59 of the Act which controls hunting on private land in that he allowed a hunt to be conduct without quota and necessary permit.


From investigations carried out so far it shows that the whole poaching event was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure that it succeeds. The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore all engaged in poaching of the lion.



As we frantically try to protect our wildlife from organized gangs such as this one, there are people who command respect in the society such as Dr Walter James Palmer, a well known dentist and Theo Bronkhorst, an experienced licensed professional hunter who can connive to undermine Zimbabwean laws, international laws and CITES regulations. One can conclude with confidence that Dr Palmer being an American citizen had a well orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA. This must be condemned in the strongest possible terms by all genuine animal loving conservationists who believe in sustainable utilization of natural resources.



I take this opportunity, therefore to appeal to all conservationists, animal lovers and all institutions interested in the protection of wildlife biodiversity to come forward and assist the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority with resources to undertake its mandate effectively in areas such as game water management, antipoaching, road and fire guard maintenance, and transport. It is important that we all ensure that the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority is adequately resourced to conserve and protect our biodiversity from organized international poaching as happened in this case. Failure to adequately resource the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority can easily subject our antipoaching units to temptation from those offering huge financial rewards for illegal activities.

Lastly let me thank our law enforcement agencies who upon receiving information of the illegal hunt acted swiftly and apprehended the locally based poachers who are now facing the wrath of law but unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin. We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable for his illegal actions.


The Zimbabwe Parks & Wildlife Authority

[tadpole]

It is a very small man, a pathetic creature if he has to murder in order to boost his ego and feel "big".

[Jel]

Originally Posted by woj

I haven't really been following the story too closely, so I'm not even sure what line he crossed? that he lured the poor guy out of hiding? isn't that common practice in this "sport"? any one that hunts wildlife from deer hunters to fishermen uses lure and various tricks to help them catch their prey, don't they?

I'm not trying to imply that I support the guy, but the general response to what happened seems a bit excessive... people were throwing around fewer death threats and ill wills when talking about serial killers or terrorists...

I haven't either, aside from what's been put in front of me - just to say that I believe 'collared' = protected, ie specifically not to be hunted (someone correct me if I'm wrong). From that, the dentist benefitted from the 'rogue gamekeeper' and then tried to claim he knew nothing of that.

[Slappin Fish]

Backlash is a bit strong but Walt broke rule number 1.....

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by crockett

Because they lured it out of the preserve with bait, then tried to hide that they killed a lion with a gps tag.

It's about as much hunting as playing duck hunt in your home..

True. The guy was saying how much more skilled you have to be and how much more stalking is involved with bow hunting, so why ruin all that and cheat by luring it out?..

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

True. The guy was saying how much more skilled you have to be and how much more stalking is involved with bow hunting, so why ruin all that and cheat by luring it out?..

I heard that the farmers/land owners in Zimbabwe are having a hard time getting by. The economy there is pretty screwed up. The Zimbabwe dollar was phase out last month due to runaway inflation. The currency rate was 35 quadrillion to 1 dollar. People there are desperate and will do what they can to get by and make sure hunters get a lion.

All around things are screwed up under Mugabe. Mugabe has openly threatened to behead gays. At Mugabe's 91st birthday this year, He dined on baby elephant.

I personally wouldn't spend money in Zimbabwe, 1. Because I am broke. 2. What Mugabe has said about gay people and his record of genocide.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Because they lured it out of the preserve with bait, then tried to hide that they killed a lion with a gps tag.

It's about as much hunting as playing duck hunt in your home..

that's pretty disturbing for sure... I mean fuck all those Christians being murdered by isis and the woman and children being sold into sex slavery by isis

A... FUCKING ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR GODS sake.. OMG!!!!!! OM fucking G!!!!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

that's pretty disturbing for sure... I mean fuck all those Christians being murdered by isis and the woman and children being sold into sex slavery by isis

A... FUCKING ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR GODS sake.. OMG!!!!!! OM fucking G!!!!

it's not an either/or proposition.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Martin

Lets really do some conservation and start to thin out the human heard. Fuck man, it takes me 2 hours to get out of the city limits. Too many damn humans on this rock.

Who chooses who has to go and who gets to stay? I hear they are taking volunteers and you are free to sign up to go.

You live in the GTA - one of the biggest shit-holes of traffic on the planet. Move to a rural area. Far less traffic and far less people.




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[MiamiBoyz]

I would love to shove an m80 in the pisshole of his cock and then light it...film it and superimpose the image of his exploding mangled cock (what is left of it) over the face of the dead lion.

Purely for the sake of art you understand.

It should all be done tastefully shot in black and white. Play it on a loop.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

I would love to shove an m80 in the pisshole of his cock and then light it...film it and superimpose the image of his exploding mangled cock (what is left of it) over the face of the dead lion.

Purely for the sake of art you understand.

It should all be done tastefully shot in black and white. Play it on a loop.

you're such a meanie. just sayin.

[Paz]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

He is a CUNT and I hope he dies a slow horrible death

Yes I wonder how the hunter feels to become the hunted.. I can't wait to find out.

[marlboroack]

If you're not starving.. no need to kill these beautiful creates.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

that's pretty disturbing for sure... I mean fuck all those Christians being murdered by isis and the woman and children being sold into sex slavery by isis

A... FUCKING ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR GODS sake.. OMG!!!!!! OM fucking G!!!!

So why haven't you signed up to go fight Isis?

[C H R I S]

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[TCLGirls]

The fact that Palmer may have done more for conservation than anyone else is entirely irrelevant.

Suppose a wealthy child molester opened up a free nationwide nursery/kindergatrten school system for poor people. But then he proceeds to rape 5% of the students. Is society supposed to give him a pass since has done more for free education than anyone else? Of course not, that is ludicrous. So to use that excuse for Palmer is similarly ludicrous.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by crockett

Because they lured it out of the preserve with bait, then tried to hide that they killed a lion with a gps tag.

So it is your contention that they not only drew the lion out, but they knew which one the wanted and had the settings to pick up on the GPS signal?

Why the fuck did it take them two days to track it down after they shot it then?

[Barry-xlovecam]

He was poaching and not hunting in a legal or sportsmanlike manner.

You cannot hunt protected species legally so there is no debate.

[Spunky]

He donated money to murder a majestic symbol.why not donate it to help the starving people that live in the motherland.the people would respect you more.
Sadly this is one of probably hundreds that happen every year,just for sport is cruel.It will open the eyes for awhile and like everything eventually gets forgotten.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

...

You cannot hunt protected species legally so there is no debate.

Lions are not a protected species, I presume that means there is no debate.

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[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by baddog

So it is your contention that they not only drew the lion out, but they knew which one the wanted and had the settings to pick up on the GPS signal?

Why the fuck did it take them two days to track it down after they shot it then?

Holy fuck you are stupid. I always thought you were a little off, but you really are about as smart as a box of rocks.

Because they didn't know it was fucking tagged you moron! Do you even fucking read anything other than GFY anymore? Have you read anything other than GFY?..... ever?

Fuck!!

[jscott]

Originally Posted by baddog

Lions are not a protected species, I presume that means there is no debate.

Endangered according to whom? You keep posting these "lions are not endangered" sites/links, who are we (agencies, organizations or people) to judge how many lions or species SHOULD BE alive in the world.

Baddog try to get an opinion of your own and quit sheeping around. Your opinions aren't even owned by you? That's quite lame, marketing and politicians will love you

[Barry-xlovecam]

You cannot hunt *a protected s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶e̶s̶ animal legally so there is no debate.

Ever encounter a big cat? I have, a Mountain Lion in northern California stalking our camp. We had cleaned some sturgeon and tossed the heads off the cliff into the ravine. Unintentionally we baited that lion. You may think lions are majestic OK nice like the kitty cat in your house but they kill wildlife (that is natural prey) and they will attack humans when the opportunity appears without cause.

A few days later, Greg, a hunting guide we came to know, along with his brother, shot that lion illegally -- why? It had killed and left over 20 deer partially eaten and was causing great economic damage to their hunting exposition business.

Every so often there are instances of joggers attacked, usually killed, by mountain lions. If you have ever awakened to a big cat's roar in the woods you would know what the fuck I am talking about. We were armed and immediately set out securing the camp's perimeter -- very scary night that was.

But this guy (the post's subject) intentionally lured a protected animal out of a game park and killed it without cause -- that is an intentional crime and with no cause or justification

[baddog]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Because they didn't know it was fucking tagged you moron! Do you even fucking read anything other than GFY anymore? Have you read anything other than GFY?..... ever?

Fuck!!

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? Crockett is the one that suggested they knew he had gps on him; I was merely pointing out the error of his thinking.

Originally Posted by jscott

Endangered according to whom? You keep posting these "lions are not endangered" sites/links, who are we (agencies, organizations or people) to judge how many lions or species SHOULD BE alive in the world.

Baddog try to get an opinion of your own and quit sheeping around. Your opinions aren't even owned by you? That's quite lame, marketing and politicians will love you

So, you tell me; if the experts at World Wildlife don't say their endangered, who should we listen to? The experts on GFY?

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You cannot hunt *a protected s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶e̶s̶ animal legally so there is no debate.

Ever encounter a big cat? I have, a Mountain Lion in northern California stalking our camp. We had cleaned some sturgeon and tossed the heads off the cliff into the ravine. Unintentionally we baited that lion. You may think lions are majestic OK nice like the kitty cat in your house but they kill wildlife (that is natural prey) and they will attack humans when the opportunity appears without cause.

A few days later, Greg, a hunting guide we came to know, along with his brother, shot that lion illegally -- why? It had killed and left over 20 deer partially eaten and was causing great economic damage to their hunting exposition business.

Every so often there are instances of joggers attacked, usually killed, by mountain lions. If you have ever awakened to a big cat's roar in the woods you would know what the fuck I am talking about. We were armed and immediately set out securing the camp's perimeter -- very scary night that was.

But this guy (the post's subject) intentionally lured a protected animal out of a game park and killed it without cause -- that is an intentional crime and with no cause or justification

I am sorry, WTF does that have to do with your "You cannot hunt protected species legally so there is no debate." comment and my pointing out that the African lion is not an endangered species/animal?

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by baddog

Reading comprehension not your strong suite? Crockett is the one that suggested they knew he had gps on him; I was merely pointing out the error of his thinking.

My apologies. I guess I was a little fired up.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Animals in a game preserve are protected by law. Baiting from a game preserve is not legal.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Animals in a game preserve are protected by law. Baiting from a game preserve is not legal.

No argument there.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by baddog

No argument there.

You're still a turd though.

Originally Posted by baddog

No argument there.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Lion Murderer Walt Palmer Has Done More For Conservation Than You Have

Murdering animals for sport in the name of "conservation" - is like fighting for peace or fucking for virginity.



I've never (and never will) kill an animal for sport.

I'll always remain one-up on this asshole dentist.

[DBS.US]

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by jscott

He's playing dumb about not knowing they were luring him? So he went out tracking the lion and found/killed him? man

Killing an animal for own entertainment, cutting off the head, and skinning it.... isnt that bad enough?

[nico-t]

meanwhile, 1000's of civilians die every day because of illegal wars.

But that's not news anymore, so not worthy of our outrage says the media.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by nico-t

meanwhile, 1000's of civilians die every day because of illegal wars.

But that's not news anymore, so not worthy of our outrage says the media.

I'm sure you have the brains to be outraged by both, no? the whole 'but xyz is happening elsewhere' is such a retarded argument (not calling you a retard btw, I always enjoy your posts) - it's like really? So I must ONLY be concerned with the 'winner' of what the 'bad things' contest is?

wars schmars, how about people who die of hunger? doesn't that trump war, so we therefore shouldn't give a fuck about wars either? child abuse - that has to be a contender for Hall of Fame - but wait, child SEXUAL abuse, that's the winner surely? or is it that cases of child murder mean child sexual abuse is null and void in what to care about?

Man I'm so confused, and all I wanted to do was give a fuck about something that I personally wanted to give a fuck about