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Old 08-07-2015, 03:52 AM   #101
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:00 AM   #102
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My grandad told me that it was all about the Soviets, he was a bomber for Britain
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:36 AM   #103
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That's another example of poor education in your country. Stalin didn't burn people in ovens. He didn't kill Europeans like this (warning very graphic images from WWII). Do you know that Eastern Europe was getting natural gas and oil from the USSR almost for free? Like they were occupants but not the occupied ones. Lean the history, educate yourself.

Even Afghan mujahedins have some kind nostalgia about Russian "occupation":



And as you can see, they have zero respect to the US troops. They don't even consider them as warriors. BTW, how many schools and clinics were built by the States in the countries they have invaded? No count them built by Russians in Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.



It was a geo-political (technical) war, but not a war to survive like WWII. Nobody wanted to occupy Finland. The Soviets needed to change the borders and the goal was achieved (even when Red Army was completely beheaded by Stalin who has killed all the commanders). So I don't understand why you are constantly refer to it. Finland was a Nazi ally and sucked Hitler's cook during a whole WWII.
Exponentially more people were killed under Stalin. He makes Hitler look like a sympathetic person by comparison.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/


Of course I'm sure they didn't teach you this in your schools because they wouldn't want the children thinking their former leaders were nothing more than psychopaths with bad mustaches and haircuts.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:42 AM   #104
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:03 AM   #105
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Exponentially more people were killed under Stalin. He makes Hitler look like a sympathetic person by comparison.
Do you mean Russians killed by Stalin? The Georgian Jaw has hated our nation, and it's not a secret. Now tell me how many Eastern Europeans were killed by him? Only an idiot could compare that with Hitler.
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:12 AM   #106
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Do you mean Russians killed by Stalin? The Georgian Jaw has hated our nation, and it's not a secret. Now tell me how many Eastern Europeans were killed by him? Only an idiot could compare that with Hitler.
didn't stalin do the entire.. gah what was it called, re-distribution of food out of ukraine? i am pretty sure that killed a great deal of people?
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didn't stalin do the entire.. gah what was it called, re-distribution of food out of ukraine? i am pretty sure that killed a great deal of people?
That Georgian (Russian citizen by birth) seemed to have something against Ukraine's independence.

" in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians, with millions more counted in demographic estimates."

"Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:34 AM   #108
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didn't stalin do the entire.. gah what was it called, re-distribution of food out of ukraine? i am pretty sure that killed a great deal of people?
Not him. The him the Ukrainian guy did it.
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That Georgian (Russian citizen by birth) seemed to have something against Ukraine's independence.

" in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5?7.5 million Ukrainians, with millions more counted in demographic estimates."

"Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
hmm, i remember learning this had to do with attempting to modernize soviet union industries.. however i can see how the independence issue would come into play
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Old 08-07-2015, 07:30 AM   #110
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Ask a Pole, a Romanian, a Hungarian, a Czech, a Slovak, a Bulgarian, or a Berliner how the Red army set them free.
So you are citing a link to RT, a television station financed by the government of Russia?

I'm Bulgarian, my grandfather fought against the Germans along with the Red Army and made it all the way to Austria then back, alive. My country was NOT liberated by The Red Army, it was enslaved and its people were abused!

Charles Lanius, Reader's Digest foreign correspondent was in Bulgaria at the time when the Russians moved in and has an extremely detailed account of what he observed happening. His piece was titled "I saw the Russians take over Bulgaria" Reader's digest.- ISSN 0034-0375, ZDB-ID 3006840. - Vol. 47.1945, 282, p. 16-21

Google link from part 2 of his report: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,5077573&hl=en

Stalin, like Putin today, had moles in the Bulgarian government who staged a coup when the Red Army invaded Bulgaria. They took over the ministry, created a National Police launching mass arrests and executions of even regular citizens, some of whom were killed merely because they dressed "wealthy".
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So you are citing a link to RT, a television station financed by the government of Russia?

I'm Bulgarian, my grandfather fought against the Germans along with the Red Army and made it all the way to Austria then back, alive. My country was NOT liberated by The Red Army, it was enslaved and its people were abused!

Charles Lanius, Reader's Digest foreign correspondent was in Bulgaria at the time when the Russians moved in and has an extremely detailed account of what he observed happening. His piece was titled "I saw the Russians take over Bulgaria" Reader's digest.- ISSN 0034-0375, ZDB-ID 3006840. - Vol. 47.1945, 282, p. 16-21

Google link from part 2 of his report: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,5077573&hl=en

Stalin, like Putin today, had moles in the Bulgarian government who staged a coup when the Red Army invaded Bulgaria. They took over the ministry, created a National Police launching mass arrests and executions of even regular citizens, some of whom were killed merely because they dressed "wealthy".
Paging CyberSEO to come and explain how this was really CIA operatives trying to make the poor Russians look bad LOL
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CyberSEO obviously a Stormfront nutbag. Stalin was NOT a Jew, it's a farcical lie created by anti-semites.
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So you are citing a link to RT, a television station financed by the government of Russia?

I'm Bulgarian, my grandfather fought against the Germans along with the Red Army and made it all the way to Austria then back, alive. My country was NOT liberated by The Red Army, it was enslaved and its people were abused!

Charles Lanius, Reader's Digest foreign correspondent was in Bulgaria at the time when the Russians moved in and has an extremely detailed account of what he observed happening. His piece was titled "I saw the Russians take over Bulgaria" Reader's digest.- ISSN 0034-0375, ZDB-ID 3006840. - Vol. 47.1945, 282, p. 16-21

Google link from part 2 of his report: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,5077573&hl=en


Stalin, like Putin today, had moles in the Bulgarian government who staged a coup when the Red Army invaded Bulgaria. They took over the ministry, created a National Police launching mass arrests and executions of even regular citizens, some of whom were killed merely because they dressed "wealthy".
As Bulgarian you should know that Russians backed up and wanted to give you greater Bulgaria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano ) created from Serbian and Romanian territories, but your new "friends" from UK and France stopped that.
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As Bulgarian you should know that Russians backed up and wanted to give you greater Bulgaria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano ) created from Serbian and Romanian territories, but your new "friends" from UK and France stopped that.
way to try and spin it. that treaty was all about ruskie conquest, and it would have made bulgaria a puppet state to russia.

even the germans were against that.
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Course you know it better than me Now tell us that Hitler's grandma was not a Jew too.

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As Bulgarian you should know that Russians backed up and wanted to give you greater Bulgaria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano ) created from Serbian and Romanian territories, but your new "friends" from UK and France stopped that.
W/o Russian help there will be no Bulgarians today. Turks would slaughter them like cattle. Maybe they think their new "fiends" could give them something batter than Russians, but I don't think so. Russians saved their lives and nothing could be better.
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way to try and spin it. that treaty was all about ruskie conquest, and it would have made bulgaria a puppet state to russia.

even the germans were against that.
Most european states are states with limited sovereignty, especially balkan and eastern european states . Just like Bulgaria is US puppet state in this moment it was planned to be what you mentioned above. . It doesn't matter for them,someone always will rule them and that is simpl. Borders are moving and at one point they are on one, at some other point in time they are on another side.

For example, Yugoslavia was US puppet state during Soviet era, it went so far that people were forced into some of worst torture prisons if only someone would say that you are pro russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok

Conclusion is that it sucks to be between big powers. Always.
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W/o Russian help there will be no Bulgarians today. Turks would slaughter them like cattle. Maybe they think their new "fiends" could give them something batter than Russians, but I don't think so. Russians saved their lives and nothing could be better.
I know that, and just wrote something similar to him (that russia backed them through history for whatever reason, what resulted that they survived as nation). Maybe he is young and was educated after they are "liberated"
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I will fix it for you: Americans think that Europeans think US army liberated continent during WW2
Wrong. Most of the EU citizens the USA took over the Nazis. You can Google for the stats, but less than 1/3 of EU people know the truth. Others just used to watch all those countless Hollywood movies of the "epic" Omaha beach battle. The idiots as they are

Once again: the whole US of A did less than a small Serbia in that war. I mean to destroy Hitler. On the other hand, they made a lot of money selling their food and weapons to both Nazis and Soviets.
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heads-up, what the fuck are you talking about? the fucking OP is from the ruskie times and it's claiming it polled fucking euros.

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So basically Russia was awesome during WWII and afterwards while America did jack shit? Is that the basic idea of this thread? No?

OK....then America was awesome and Russia did jack shit?

I dunno, I just find it funny that 50% of Brits think England was the deciding factor in WWII. Man those Brits are so delusional. LOL

Anyway.....we care now why?
Nevermind, I don't fucking care anymore.
It's the 21st Century. Get over it already.
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