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Throughout the world, the U.S. prison system is often seen as inhumane and excessively large.

The American prison system is so reviled, in fact, that Irish officials recently refused to extradite an alleged terrorist to the U.S. The court cited concerns that if he were sent to the U.S., he would probably be placed in Colorado’s “Supermax” prison, ADX Florence (Administrative Maximum Facility). The prison is nicknamed Colorado’s “Alcatraz of the Rockies.”

Irish High Court Justice Aileen Donnelly went as far as to write a 333-page report about why the suspect shouldn’t be extradited. One highlight from the court’s ruling was that incarceration at ADX Florence prison would amount to “cruel and unusual punishment.”

Donnelly said the prison “amounts to a breach of the constitutional requirement to protect persons from inhuman and degrading treatment and to respect the dignity of the human being.”

“[P]rolonged exposure to involuntary solitary confinement exacts a significant physiological toll, is damaging to the integrity of the mind and personality, and is damaging to the bodily integrity of the person,” she continued.

According to the Los Angeles Times, “An Irish resident originally from Algiers, Damache, 50, [is]accused of using online chat rooms to recruit American women into a would-be terrorist cell operating in this country and Europe.

One man and two women, including Damache’s wife, have already been convicted in U.S. courts of providing material support to terrorists. And Damache was captured by Irish authorities in 2010 in Dublin on a separate charge of making a telephone death threat and held without bail.”

In 2011, Damache was indicted from a distance in a Philadelphia court on “charges of plotting to assassinate a Swedish cartoonist who depicted the prophet Muhammad as a dog.”

Continued Ireland Refuses To Extradite Man To US Because Prison System Is Too Inhumane | Zero Hedge

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dyna mo

so that cunt just lets him go free. right, that's better, let a fuckwad terrorist go free instead of maybe having to suffer solitary confinement for the crimes he committed.

what a cunt.

mineistaken

Cherry picking which prisoners to extradite? It is either all or none.

pornguy

If he does something else they should arrest her as well.

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dyna mo

hah, i like that idea a lot.

this is what she says about this guy-

?I am satisfied,? Donnell said, ?that prolonged exposure to involuntary solitary confinement exacts a significant physiological toll, is damaging to the integrity of the mind and personality, and is damaging to the bodily integrity of the person.?

damaging the integrity. please. terrorists do not have integrity.

Jesse Sharpton

Fuck Ireland! USA rules!

poncabare

Pussy ass liberal judge

aka123

Seriously? I think countries handing over their citizens willy nilly are few and far between.

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aka123

He did serve his punishment (in prison). In Europe you are usually released after that. You know; you get a trial, get a sentence, if you are sentenced in prison you serve your time in prison and you are released after that. Yes, this might sound totally crazy; trial and everything, but get over it.

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dyna mo

Heads-up, he served his time for another crime, not the one he is accused of here. And it might sound crazy to you, since you don't know what you're talking about, but he'd get tried n a court of law here for his crime.

You'd have to be a buffoon to think he doesn't get a trial in USA or that time served for one crime committed in one country covers all crimes ever committed anywhere.

Get over that.

aka123

He did get sentence for the crimes punishable by Irish law. Ireland has laws too, you know.

Yes, he might get trial in US, unless he is scared to plea deal or ends up as a terrorist to Guantanamo and without trial. If I remember right; most "terrorists" real or not, don't get trial in US or are actually ever officially accused of anything.

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EliteWebmaster

The scumbag deserved to be locked up in a rathole, throw away the keys and left to die. Terrorists cannot be rehabilitated. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. There is no middle ground.

aka123

And they had the nerve to think that he would get inhumane treatment.

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dyna mo

This has zero to do with your previous comment and really is a backpedal combined with you revealing you don't know what you are talking about.

aka123

I didn't say that he couldn't get trial in US, but statistically speaking 90% of accused don't get (and still get sentenced), what ever the reason is.

And he did get sentenced by Irish laws. Doing terrorist acts in another countries is usually punishable also in the "originating" country. For example here in Finland you get punished for doing terrorist acts for example in Syria. Also, we don't willy nilly give people to countries where there are questionable human rights. For example as US has death penalty; we won't extradite people who might get executed.

You are just screaming over US justice, what is as we know; so-so.

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aka123

LOL. Yes, I don't know anything, sure, neither seems this Irish judge:

"Other grounds cover the sentencing procedure under US federal sentencing guidelines, the plea bargaining system and the nature and length of the sentence he was bound to receive."

Man's US extradition over terror refused | Irish Examiner

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j3rkules

The thing that pisses me off more than anything is that if a psycho gets thrown in the pen and he is a big enough alpha he will continue to abuse people on the inside which he will enjoy. Anyone caught raping, attempting to murder or brutalize others in prison should be executed. As it is we are providing them victims and enjoyment, then of course somebody is making money.

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dyna mo

no, i get it. you side with terrorists over America(ns). we already know that. no need to try and rationalize it to us. you are concerned about this terrorist having to spend time alone, you feel for the terrorist, that all the terrorist's integrity would be stripped from him by his spending time alone in prison.

enjoy your stay here on an American message board dominated by Americans. you can certainly tell by this thread your view is very much the minority one.

aka123

I feel for basic human rights and what is right and wrong. I already know that many Americans have different view to this. So what? This was about Ireland. Enjoy your lack of human rights, oppression and all that stuff what you have in there.

USA is the only country on Earth that hasn't ratified UN's children's rights, that tells something.

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dyna mo

again, we all get that you are anti-American and look for opportunities to spew this sort of drivel, which has nothing to do with terrorists and bringing them to justice.

you think it's OK that the time he served for a crime in Ireland = time served for terrorist crimes elsewhere, because he's a terrorist and terrorists should be able to maintain their integrity, the horror of a terrorist sitting alone.

SilentKnight

aka123

I am not anti-American. You mix anti-American with someone not thinking that USA is perfect and number one.

This has very much to do with that terrorist (suspect). It doesn't matter is he terrorist or not. You Mericans are eager to label people and then it is OK to treat them badly. "It is OK, he is terrorist, criminal, black, indian, jew, or whatever." And it is not just about sitting alone, solitary punishment is just one thing, that Irish judge mentioned many other things too.

If you would even wait that suspects are proven guilty in court, that would be a good start.

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aka123

Yes of course. Human rights are totally off-topic. My bad.

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Sly

I found this humorous.

Carry on.

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SilentKnight

Ireland Refuses To Extradite Man To US Because Prison System Is Too Inhumane

I fail to see the connection between UN's childrens rights...and Ireland's allegations of an inhumane American prison system.

aka123

If you read the story, it is not about just prison system. And the lack of human rights in USA reflects to its prison system as well as to children's rights. These things are just a symptom of the actual disease aka lack of human rights. You think that in some "happy, happy, merrily, merrily land" everything is so fucking perfect, but then there is some sadistic prison system? It really doesn't go like that. Things aren't that separate from each other.

And those weren't allegations by the way, USA wasn't being accused. It was a court's statement.

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dyna mo

this isn't about perfection. this is about it not being OK for a terrorist to be let go because he served time for another infraction in another country, while you think he wouldn't get a trial (because you're anti-American). and that somehow, a terrorist who recruits others to blow themselves up in the name of a god has integrity that would be stripped away on account of him having to spend time with himself.

the horror of a terrorist left alone to think about his murderous thoughts. terrorist lives matter to you, we get it. well, until they blow themselves up with a bunch of children around.

Nitzer Ebb

Almost impossible to extradite anyone from ireland.

oppoten

edit: didn't fully read the article

L-Pink

Speaking of the UN, why do we pay 25% of their budget?

L-Pink

Comments like this are why I generally ignore you.


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aka123

Those trial things etc. are a fact. It isn't my fault if 90% don't get trial and has nothing to do with some anti-American stuff. It is yours fault, you Americans fault.

He is terrorist suspect to start with. Maybe if you would treat your prisoners more better and get a trial for everyone before sentencing, then other countries would be more willing to give up their citizens to you. Of course it is good that criminals gets punished, but in this case as he is not American, there are on the other hand the crimes and on the another hand how this Irish citizen would be treated in US.

Do you give up your citizens for example into Somalia?

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aka123

Not the source I read it originally, but came up with google. So, are you ignoring me for telling unpleasant facts or do you think I am bullshitting?


" The Bill of Rights guarantees the accused basic safeguards, including the right to be informed of charges against them, to an impartial, fair and speedy jury trial, to cross-examine witnesses and to the assistance of counsel."

"these rights are, for the overwhelming majority of people hauled into courtrooms across America, theoretical. More than 90 percent of criminal cases are never tried before a jury. Most people charged with crimes forfeit their constitutional rights and plead guilty."


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...stem.html?_r=0

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L-Pink

The reason there is no trial is the guilty party will negotiate a plea-bargain to avoid a trial where their guilt will lead to a longer sentence.

Why people waste their time arguing with you I'll never know.

I'm done.

aka123

Yes, I know that they plea guilty, that reads right there. But pleading guilty and actually being guilty are totally different things. US justice system has been built so that very often it is beneficial to plea guilty even if you wouldn't have done the crime. Statistics support this as people plea guilty to even very hard crimes they haven't done, not to speak of lesser crimes.


"The criminal justice system in the United States today bears little relationship to what the Founding Fathers contemplated, what the movies and television portray, or what the average American believes."

"In actuality, our criminal justice system is almost exclusively a system of plea bargaining, negotiated behind closed doors and with no judicial oversight. The outcome is very largely determined by the prosecutor alone."

In 2013, while 8 percent of all federal criminal charges were dismissed (either because of a mistake in fact or law or because the defendant had decided to cooperate), more than 97 percent of the remainder were resolved through plea bargains, and fewer than 3 percent went to trial. The plea bargains largely determined the sentences imposed.

" For example, the National Registry of Exonerations (a joint project of Michigan Law School and Northwestern Law School) records that of 1,428 legally acknowledged exonerations that have occurred since 1989 involving the full range of felony charges, 151 (or, again, about 10 percent) involved false guilty pleas."

Why Innocent People Plead Guilty by Jed S. Rakoff | The New York Review of Books

If we use that 10% against the number of prisoners in US, it makes 230 000 innocent people for the crimes they were committed for.

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CurrentlySober

i liked being in prison in the usa...

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dyna mo

that stupid fucking cunt judge should worry about her own fucking country's prisons

Ireland needs a safer, more humane prison system - Irish Times

and not be so fucking concerned with the integrity of a fucking terrorist sitting alone in a fucking cell in USA.

and any anti-American that can't see that shit can gofuckyourself.

aka123

He is not terrorist to start with, he is suspected for doing certain actions. This particular difference was one of the judges points as Americans don't that much separate suspects from the people found guilty in court. But who can blame them as having trials is more like anomaly, there is no juridical way knowing that did someone actually do something. So suspect-> practically sentenced. Better not get suspected in America.

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j3rkules

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j3rkules

Official prison reports are not worth the toilet paper they're written on.

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dyna mo

according to that cunt judge, official prison reports are what she used to deny extradition of the terrorist.

L-Pink

Do you ever make any sense?


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aka123

Depends about the recipient end.

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dyna mo

anti-American terrorist sympathizers never make sense. then run on emotion and lack of understanding combined with an irrational hatred for a place they are clearly confused about.

aka123

Yes, creating terrorist cell in Europe is all about just Murica and anything related to that is about anti-Muricans.

"The US alleges it has evidence that Mr Damache conspired to create a terror cell in Europe capable of targeting both US and western European citizens."

Man's US extradition over terror refused | Irish Examiner


Why US officials don't just give the evidence to Irish police and let them deal with it? Terrorism is crime in Europe too and especially terrorism IN Europe. Maybe they just don't have enough evidence and they are just relying to shitty US legal system to throw people willy nilly into jail? At least that Irish judge seemed a little concerned about US prosecuting guidelines, etc. But hey, maybe she was anti-Murican judge? "If you are not on our side, you are on anti-Murican side."

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dyna mo

leave it to the Anti-American terrorist sympathizer gfyer to think he has the solution for worldwide terrorism.