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Old 08-23-2015, 02:03 PM   #101
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What you pasted is video of ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia. It was done with USA support and no one gave a fuck in EU.
hey dumbfuckwad, you're a fucking idiot to think the USA supported croatia in ethnic cleansing.

you and your anti-American bullshit rhetoric you pull out of your dumbfuckwad ass.

gofuckyourself. don't try and pull that shit here motherfucker.
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Those policemen were carrying 2 sealed boxes supposedly laden with canned food effortlessly == LMAO Gobbels would smile

Aww, Poor Serbs ... What is the difference? Those are Red Cross workers handing out relief boxes to refugees -- I could care less what ethnicity or race they were -- facts are facts ...

Until I get an accurate translation in Arabic from someone I know will tell the truth -- I do not accept that version as fact.
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I'm concerned about what will these Muslims do once they settle and realize we don't give two necks about Mohammed, we are welcoming tragedy and terror, how many of these will bite the hand that fed them? How many of these will become/are extremists?

Not all,but enough of them .

1. Remember Paris and Charlie Hebdo? Or what happened in that train in france few days ago when American guys got that terrorist?

2. Remember bomb in Volgograd: Volgograd bus bomb explosion - dashboard camera video | World news | The Guardian

3. Boston marathon bombing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

4. One of episodes that you probably didn't hear about because "western"medias won't show you about Serbian kids executed while playing in Kosovo:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url


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hey dumbfuckwad, you're a fucking idiot to think the USA supported croatia in ethnic cleansing.

you and your anti-American bullshit rhetoric you pull out of your dumbfuckwad ass.

gofuckyourself. don't try and pull that shit here motherfucker.

It seems you had very hard childhood when every other word is insult.

Fort a start:

Mario's Cyberspace Station: US role in Operation Storm in Croatia

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Read your own fucking link dumbfuck, there's nothing in there that even suggests USA supported the ethnic cleansing there.
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And from the 2nd dumfuckwads link::::

A Croatian general, indicted by the war crimes tribunal in the Hague for being responsible for atrocities committed against Krajina Serbs during "Operation Storm" in 1995, claimed that leading members of the Clinton administration authorized and oversaw the operation.


That's a dumbfuckwads proof that USA supported ethnic cleansing, a guilty ethnic cleanser points his finger at Clinton.
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And from the 2nd dumfuckwads link::::

A Croatian general, indicted by the war crimes tribunal in the Hague for being responsible for atrocities committed against Krajina Serbs during "Operation Storm" in 1995, claimed that leading members of the Clinton administration authorized and oversaw the operation.


That's a dumbfuckwads proof that USA supported ethnic cleansing, a guilty ethnic cleanser points his finger at Clinton.
You are mentally ill or just blind:

In the wee hours of 4 August 1995, the Croatian units were issued the command to turn off all telecommunications devices between midnight and 4 am. Later it was learned that the Americans had used that time to electronically intercept and destroy the Serbian telecommunications devices.
HV was left with one hour, from 4-5 am to use their radio ties to coordinate the operation. Just prior to Storm, the American military attaché was again called to the operation staff.
Ivan ?arac was again with him.
One or two days prior to Storm, Herrick, who had prepared Storm with the Croatian officers and gave the operation the green light on Clinton's behalf, was replaced by Colonel John Sadler.

exactly midnight, they arrived at the operative staff and from there followed all the events in the field. This time, the entire Operation was transmitted in real time via satellite to the Pentagon, where these images remain archived today. The signal transmitted to the signal by the Americans was also received by HV, and with the help of those images, the firing upon Serbian positions and the military base near Knin could be monitored to within millimeters. In addition to electronically destroying the Serbian communications, the US military also acted militarily against the Serbian positions, when it fired on the anti-aircraft battery near Knin from American combat planes that flew over the battle area. That news was released only once, on the 6 o'clock news.

Afterwards, the US sharply condemned this, and that news was never repeated. No one believed the official American explanation for the rocket attack, and today the general perception is that this was direct US assistance to HV, only that even ten years after Storm this must not be admitted, due to US-British relations, as Britain had a completely different perspective on how to resolve the Balkan issue. And it still does today.
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again, you're a dumbfuckwad to try and pass that anecdotal bullshit off here as fact and to think your anti-American bullshit passes muster.

and i'm not here to get you to see the fucking light of truth, i couldn't give a fuck what you think or lack to think, i'm here to rub your dumbfuckwad nose in your own shit you spew here.

gofuckyourself.
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again, you're a dumbfuckwad to try and pass that anecdotal bullshit off here as fact and to think your anti-American bullshit passes muster.

and i'm not here to get you to see the fucking light of truth, i couldn't give a fuck what you think or lack to think, i'm here to rub your dumbfuckwad nose in your own shit you spew here.

gofuckyourself.
But you are not able to do it, especially after showing that you don't read simple text. It is not anti american at all,it is historical fact like many others. Maybe you don't like it from some reason , but that is completely different problem. If you want to research, there is
your starting point. If you don't want, it is up to you.
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i mean really, read some of the shit you spew- such as your claiming that in 1994 the USA streamed the entire Operation Storm, the largest land battle since ww2, to the fucking Pentagon, live. and that 100s of thousands of serbs were murdered live on streaming video to the pentagon.

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i don't have to research jackfuckingshit to know you are a complete dumbfuckwad spewing anti-American rhetoric out of your ass.
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good. keep your head in sand and keep insulting people. It is your choice.
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Ahmed from Libya reached KANJIZA Instead of churches in Europe will stand minarets! It will be our revenge

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NATO's blood bathed the entire Middle East, and will now weak Europe, which left the American Satan, to be destroyed. Our women will give birth to many children. For five years will change the face of Europe completely. I am not looking forward to it. I appreciate the great European culture and do not want to instead of churches there are minarets. But it will be so. This is revenge. Inshallah! "Says Ahmed.
You only see what you want to see ...

Like I said this problem is not going to just go away.

For that matter WTF do you care? The same NATO that bombed you will be the ones to suffer -- you should be dancing in the streets? Or, is Serbia so eager to join the EU (for the same economic reasons) that NATO invasion of Serbia is all forgotten?


** Inshallah can mean 'if god is willing' if seems the context here -- in the context of resignation or subjection ... as in the "the subjection of aboriginal peoples" it that sense: pay-backs are a bitch...
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You only see what you want to see ...

Like I said this problem is not going to just go away.

For that matter WTF do you care? The same NATO that bombed you will be the ones to suffer -- you should be dancing in the streets? Or, is Serbia so eager to join the EU (for the same economic reasons) that NATO invasion of Serbia is all forgotten?


** Inshallah can mean 'if god is willing' if seems the context here -- in the context of resignation or subjection ... as in the "the subjection of aboriginal peoples" it that sense: pay-backs are a bitch...
Serbia is not eager to do anything, Serbia is forced to enter EU and that pressure is extreme and organized for last 15 years. Once NATO put puppet regime on power , ordinary people can't do shit. All generals were sent to jail , military is reduced to a size of hunting association, paramilitary (g4s for example) is everywhere, medias are controlled by US and Germans and monetary system is controlled by western countries. Countries that bombed Serbia took everything, banks (first night after coup détat) food, telecommunications.....everything that is making money. And EU nato members ain't shit, US is the only boss. And US won't see any of these mujahedins, that is for sure. They will all end in Europe (at least in balkans) and make further destablisation of EU.

Anyway, there is nothing worse than Muslims. European countries are sharing same basic principles (except Albania,Kosovo and Bosnia) while these savages are worst nightmare.
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You only see what you want to see ...

Like I said this problem is not going to just go away.

For that matter WTF do you care? The same NATO that bombed you will be the ones to suffer -- you should be dancing in the streets? Or, is Serbia so eager to join the EU (for the same economic reasons) that NATO invasion of Serbia is all forgotten?


** Inshallah can mean 'if god is willing' if seems the context here -- in the context of resignation or subjection ... as in the "the subjection of aboriginal peoples" it that sense: pay-backs are a bitch...

And listen, it would be smartest not to talk do I see what i want to see. Destroying churches and UNESCO heritage was already done by Albanian muslims , while NATO was standing and watching how it was done. More than 150 christian churches are destroyed, some from 14th century. IN a same manner as ISIS is doing now .

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For that matter WTF do you care? The same NATO that bombed you will be the ones to suffer -- you should be dancing in the streets? Or, is Serbia so eager to join the EU (for the same economic reasons) that NATO invasion of Serbia is all forgotten?
And one more thing. When you say WTF I care, nato will suffer. NATO won't suffer, but ordinary people will. I don't consider government or huge military business same as ordinary people . I have friends in France, US, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Russia...they are not same as their government. Ordinary and normal people wants to enjoy their life, do business, learn,love,have fun. No one is asking them much and they don't decide about anything. Simple as that. Recently I've helped some cool syrian guys here. But , what we are seeing and what is entering Europe are not civilized people. They are not here to follow rules, but to create their own.
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These immigrant scum are unwelcome guests -- I get the drift ...

Those Albanian scum will eat our children if we let them -- I get the drift.

If the USA was closer they would be invading us ...

Put the military-aged men in military camps, train them to fight, then send them back to Syria to fight ISIS. Give the women, children, elderly-infirm shelter and safe harbor. That would make sense. That should have been done over a year ago in the region.

If they don't want fight to get their homeland back then they are just economic refugees with a convenient excuse. Give them a fair chance
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These immigrant scum are unwelcome guests -- I get the drift ...

Those Albanian scum will eat our children if we let them -- I get the drift.

If the USA was closer they would be invading us ...

Put the military-aged men in military camps, train them to fight, then send them back to Syria to fight ISIS. Give the women, children, elderly-infirm shelter and safe harbor. That would make sense. That should have been done over a year ago in the region.

If they don't want fight to get their homeland back then they are just economic refugees with a convenient excuse. Give them a fair chance
Most of them are not from Syria at all. They are coming even from Africa. There are tons of black people that don't live in SYria, I am seeing them every single day. This is organized migration into Europe with one goal, to destabilize and fuck Europe in incoming years. Some countries will manage to protect itself,like Hungary, some idiotic countries will speed up own end that was inevitable,anyway (Serbia).
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So, send the 'darkies' back to Syria to fight they can resettle there. Better there then in Europe, right?

What's your solution?
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So, send the 'darkies' back to Syria to fight they can resettle there. Better there that in Europe, right?

What's your solution?
Solution is simple, give ultimatum to IS savages and help legitimate Assad regime. Syria was civilized country until "democracy"and "freedom fighters" showed up. It was a country where Christians and Muslims lived in peace, without any problems.

Don't tell me that any organized military force can't handle savages in the desert? Savages without proper military experience,without artillery ,aviation,navy,tanks,satellites and once again, sitting ducks in desert. Iraq army was defeated fast, that had much better equipment and organization.

They can be solved in a matter of few days, but someone don't want that. What do you think ,who don't want it? (and it was ready to attack country like Serbia,without problem,with thousand airplanes and rockets).

And regarding refugees. There should be one new country created for all refugees. Under control of UN (until they manage to create institutions). If they are real refugees, and know what war means, that should be peaceful country. There are uninhabited islands all over the globe. Maybe some country would even rent soil or something like that. In that case, it would be important that neighbour countries accept that. Otherwise, we would have problematic region,again.
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The Idi Amin or the Papa Doc Duvalier regime was just as legitimate as the Assad regime.

ISIS will take dictates from whom?

ISIS is just like fighting a band of pirates that are hiding in civilian areas and a band on the move -- they are targets of opportunity.

The UN created one country for war refugees already -- Israel -- how did that work out?

If the UN did create a "Free Arabia" whose land could they take? I don't see any of the Arab countries offering their lands to these refugees.
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The Idi Amin or the Papa Doc Duvalier regime was just as legitimate as the Assad regime.

ISIS will take dictates from whom?

ISIS is just like fighting a band of pirates that are hiding in civilian areas and a band on the move -- they are targets of opportunity.

The UN created one country for war refugees already -- Israel -- how did that work out?

If the UN did create a "Free Arabia" whose land could they take? I don't see any of the Arab countries offering their lands to these refugees.
Statement that Asad is same is Idi Amin, is infantile and if you believe in that,it is useless to talk any further. Syria was one of rare and normal countries (taking into consideration that it is a muslim country).

ISIS is american creation. As usually, something that is dangerous often goes out of the control, but there is no real wish to resolve this.

Because of Israel is precisely why I 've told that countries around must accept something like that.

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Statement that Asad is same is Idi Amin, is infantile and if you believe in that,it is useless to talk any further. Syria was one of rare and normal countries (taking into consideration that it is a muslim country).

ISIS is american creation. As usually, something that is dangerous often goes out of the control, but there is no real wish to resolve this.

Because of Israel is precisely why I 've told that countries around must accept something like that.

https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

Palestine was a British Mandate Territory from the the First World War and not a sovereign nation. The UN does not have authority to take a sovereign nation's lands.

Assad's Syria was Disneyland ... Well, that what the Russians, the Iranians and Hezbollah says ... Most of the Arab countries in the region would not agree ...

At any rate, the USA is as anti immigrant as Europe is. The USA has the Mexican border to contend with and the Europeans have the immigrant problem coming from the wars and poor economies of the Middle East. Our own (the USA's) record on immigration is no better than the European record -- maybe worse.

I am glad I am not stuck in Syria or Central America or Mexico ...
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It's really sad what's happening to these people. EU had plenty of time to figure things out before all this mass migration started.
As I am living in Budapest I had the occasion to see some of them, with just some backpacks and their children. They look very tired and concerned, but somewhat happy and relieved in the same time, it's a pretty interesting combination which can' t really be seen on to many people faces.
From my point of view most of them are not to blame, especially the children. The same as most of us, EU citizens have no blame for how poorly this situation is being treated but our Governments have.
Personally I am not happy that Hungary decided to build a shitty barb wire fence from public money when these money could be given for the camps for food, water, clothing, medicine etc, anyway the camps are full.
Some EU Governments and "European citizens" are pretty vocal and against them but they had no word to say when as a NATO member had a small part in the destruction of their country and homes.
Biggest problem of all is that some of us forget to be people and we are too judgmental about religion, skin color, sexual orientation etc.
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So, send the 'darkies' back to Syria to fight they can resettle there. Better there then in Europe, right?

What's your solution?
You are just showing how much you mis-understand what is happening in europe right now. Take the UK of example ...
Muhammed and its various spellings is now the most popular name in the UK.
Some British jobs now say that being able to speak Polish is preferred (Due to the way that laws work in the UK what they actually mean is that ONLY polish speakers will be taken on) - Big employers such as Tesco have been caught actually ONLY advertising new British jobs in eastern Europe.
Traditional and cultural icons such as pubs are in terminal decline partly due to huge 'enclaves' of immigrants in each town.
British council house tennants have been financially penalized for having spare rooms, those bigger houses are needed for large immigrant families.
It is an undeniable fact that immigrants go to the top of housing lists as they are classed as "homeless" - a British man can now have to wait upwards of TWENTY years to get a house!
A British person (especially in unskilled jobs) can now find themselves being the only person in their workplace speaking English, putting them in the situation where they are disadvantaged by only speaking a "foreign" language in their own country.
Over and over again, immigrants show that they have no respect for the country they have "adopted", over 1000 Muslims have been caught showing illegal alliance with ISIS this year alone - that's 1000 that's been caught, how many others are there?
Immigrants have been caught over and over again forming illegal gangs trying to enforce the laws THEY think WE should have.

This is just a few examples. Britain and Europe are being crushed financially, socially and even culturally in a very small timeframe. I can actually still remember the first time i saw a black man, now i live in a country where one in ten are not British - by the time i die of old age i will be an ethnic minority in my own country (A fact based on every research statistic based on the current rate of immigration).

I haven't even scratched the surface of the effect immigration is having on Britain (and Europe) but its been compared more than once with genocide for a reason.
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You are just showing how much you mis-understand what is happening in europe right now. Take the UK of example ...
Muhammed and its various spellings is now the most popular name in the UK.
Some British jobs now say that being able to speak Polish is preferred (Due to the way that laws work in the UK what they actually mean is that ONLY polish speakers will be taken on) - Big employers such as Tesco have been caught actually ONLY advertising new British jobs in eastern Europe.
Traditional and cultural icons such as pubs are in terminal decline partly due to huge 'enclaves' of immigrants in each town.
British council house tennants have been financially penalized for having spare rooms, those bigger houses are needed for large immigrant families.
It is an undeniable fact that immigrants go to the top of housing lists as they are classed as "homeless" - a British man can now have to wait upwards of TWENTY years to get a house!
A British person (especially in unskilled jobs) can now find themselves being the only person in their workplace speaking English, putting them in the situation where they are disadvantaged by only speaking a "foreign" language in their own country.
Over and over again, immigrants show that they have no respect for the country they have "adopted", over 1000 Muslims have been caught showing illegal alliance with ISIS this year alone - that's 1000 that's been caught, how many others are there?
Immigrants have been caught over and over again forming illegal gangs trying to enforce the laws THEY think WE should have.

This is just a few examples. Britain and Europe are being crushed financially, socially and even culturally in a very small timeframe. I can actually still remember the first time i saw a black man, now i live in a country where one in ten are not British - by the time i die of old age i will be an ethnic minority in my own country (A fact based on every research statistic based on the current rate of immigration).

I haven't even scratched the surface of the effect immigration is having on Britain (and Europe) but its been compared more than once with genocide for a reason.
I completely agree with you on the Polish immigration - we are losing alot of young people to western europe, and it's completely bullshit that they want people that speak polish etc in the UK. It has the exact opposite effect we have here - it drives down the wages of unskilled workers in UK whilst making the wages of skilled workers MUCH higher in Poland. In 3 years wages for coders have pretty much doubled, and in another 3 I'll have to hire out of Germany... We are getting a ton of Ukrainian immigrants & refugees here, but it's at least the same culture, very similar language, and they integrate very well. You see cars on UA plates all over now, there's even a UA immigrant working on the addition to my house at this very moment.

Anyways, say what you will about immigrants from Eastern Europe - at least they aren't demanding Shariah law...
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All I hear in our media are stories about poor women and children. Look at them:
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Take the UK of example ...
The Empire and the successor Dominion ...

If the UK can't live with the deals they make ... Canada is also in the Dominion and Canadians are not so happy with the immigration that membership requires.

India and Pakistan do not have a UK refugee problem ...

I was in London last year and in Paris. I will be in Paris and Nice in a month. I have eyes -- I can see.

Maybe, it is because I have never been on the dole in my life waiting for government granted housing that I do not have similar sentiments.

If resettlement camps were made available to these immigrants, under humane conditions, and the immigrants were vetted for security ( non-allegiance with extremist elements) then they had to wait their turn for any governmental benefit, I would not object to this.

Instead, Europe is playing ''pass-the-trash'' with these people and not dealing with the situation to their own benefit. If the refugee's lifestyle in Europe was waiting in refugee camps for months or years -- maybe they would not risk even coming.


I am sure if these immigrants could make their way to the USA from Europe -- they would be on our shores. Many Americans would want top build a wall too and be in hysterics
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It's really sad what's happening to these people. EU had plenty of time to figure things out before all this mass migration started.
As I am living in Budapest I had the occasion to see some of them, with just some backpacks and their children. They look very tired and concerned, but somewhat happy and relieved in the same time, it's a pretty interesting combination which can' t really be seen on to many people faces.
From my point of view most of them are not to blame, especially the children. The same as most of us, EU citizens have no blame for how poorly this situation is being treated but our Governments have.
Personally I am not happy that Hungary decided to build a shitty barb wire fence from public money when these money could be given for the camps for food, water, clothing, medicine etc, anyway the camps are full.
Some EU Governments and "European citizens" are pretty vocal and against them but they had no word to say when as a NATO member had a small part in the destruction of their country and homes.
Biggest problem of all is that some of us forget to be people and we are too judgmental about religion, skin color, sexual orientation etc.
Good, and what you said above is completely normal (at least for me) but there is one other problem there.

Those refugees are not only poor people. That is completely different culture and mentality. They don't want to accept rules of civilized world. For example, in case I have to flee to Japan, I would accept all their rules there, at least in public and wouldn't try to establish mu community and force people around to accept it. And that is what muslims do. Probably all religious fanatics, but most of muslims are that, religious. Fuck religion in 21st century.

And one more thing, you are seeing kids because Hungarian government have control who will get in (bravo for your government). Here, in Serbia, you can see all kind of people of military age that are definitely not from Syria (they are black and coming from Africa). They already tried to rape , stabbed each other, and other various things that are coming when you have mostly primitive population getting in touch with western lifestyle. (holy shit they are so horny when they see girls dressed din summer. They are screaming , shouting, staring )

Several decades ago, Albanians (muslims ) form Albania were migrating to Serbia, Kosovo (organized migrations by communist regimes from that period, just like these are organised migrations now). Their only goal for decades was to reproduce and usually at least one of family members would go to western europe to work, and was sending money to support family. They lived in very bad conditions, but as most of the muslims, their main goal is to have as much children as possible. (what is normal I guess for primitive people ,they are not aware of anything better because they live in poverty).

How that ended? In bloody war, and ethnic cleansing of all non albanians ( serbs,croats,gorans,etc..), of course with absolute help from US ( it is not fair to mention other NATO countries because they were involved in small percent, just to cover real nature of war. As far as I know, Norwegian pilots turned their planes back after they got orders to bomb)

But most important thing to know is that Albanians in Kosovo had their schools, university, TV, radio,magazines (that were calling to terrorism without any problem for years) and were part of police force. Of course, they didn't give a shit, they wanted their ethnically clean country. So , form this is just one lesson how muslims act when they grow in numbers. They won't accept hosting country rules, but will create their own. By force and terrorism. Why other muslim countries don't take them in? there are really rich muslim countries worldwide.
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Quick facts: What you need to know about the Syria crisis | Mercy Corps

There are millions of refugees in the countries surrounding Syria.

That is another red herring argument.
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Good, and what you said above is completely normal (at least for me) but there is one other problem there.

Those refugees are not only poor people. That is completely different culture and mentality. They don't want to accept rules of civilized world. For example, in case I have to flee to Japan, I would accept all their rules there, at least in public and wouldn't try to establish mu community and force people around to accept it. And that is what muslims do. Probably all religious fanatics, but most of muslims are that, religious. Fuck religion in 21st century.

And one more thing, you are seeing kids because Hungarian government have control who will get in (bravo for your government). Here, in Serbia, you can see all kind of people of military age that are definitely not from Syria (they are black and coming from Africa). They already tried to rape , stabbed each other, and other various things that are coming when you have mostly primitive population getting in touch with western lifestyle. (holy shit they are so horny when they see girls dressed din summer. They are screaming , shouting, staring )

Several decades ago, Albanians (muslims ) form Albania were migrating to Serbia, Kosovo (organized migrations by communist regimes from that period, just like these are organised migrations now). Their only goal for decades was to reproduce and usually at least one of family members would go to western europe to work, and was sending money to support family. They lived in very bad conditions, but as most of the muslims, their main goal is to have as much children as possible. (what is normal I guess for primitive people ,they are not aware of anything better because they live in poverty).

How that ended? In bloody war, and ethnic cleansing of all non albanians ( serbs,croats,gorans,etc..), of course with absolute help from US ( it is not fair to mention other NATO countries because they were involved in small percent, just to cover real nature of war. As far as I know, Norwegian pilots turned their planes back after they got orders to bomb)

But most important thing to know is that Albanians in Kosovo had their schools, university, TV, radio,magazines (that were calling to terrorism without any problem for years) and were part of police force. Of course, they didn't give a shit, they wanted their ethnically clean country. So , form this is just one lesson how muslims act when they grow in numbers. They won't accept hosting country rules, but will create their own. By force and terrorism. Why other muslim countries don't take them in? there are really rich muslim countries worldwide.
I get your point too, and it's very true that among normal people that just want a better life for them and their kids there are plenty of people that want to harm. Since there is no proper screening it's really frightening to think what the up coming months or weeks can bring
In what regards Syrians, what I can say is that are nice people, or at leadt the ones I used to work with a while back. Pretty open minded people, hard working and ready to jump for help anytime. Among the arabs I find them and the Lebanesse ones very different, but that's just my opinion. Regarding the Hungarian Goverment, it's not mine I'm Romanian living in Hungary.
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I don't think it unreasonable to have some security screening if these ''Muslim Immigrants'' as the are major security concerns.

Recent events on the train from Amsterdam to Paris last week as example. However, there is no proven relation to these terrorist activities being caused by today's immigrant wave from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya (primarily).

These people just want out of their current bad situation.

Today: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015...-migrants.html

71 dead or 71 less of them?
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These people just want out of their current bad situation.
Thats ok, but European countries can maintain their living standards only when immigration is limited, you can't take shitload of new mostly unskilled labor who is looking to just live off the social system. In the post-communist EU countries (and I'm sure others are in the similar situation) the social system is already unmaintainable in the long run, especially the pension system. Now throw in a shitload of familias asking for support and you have a disaster coming your way - and that's only the economical aspect of things.. the others have pointed out the non-compatibility of these people with the western society, especially the difference in religion.

So yes if EU accepts millions of them, then in the long run we will be in the same situation...
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Then I suggest you just leave them in the sea to drown ... Maybe, they will stop coming for your "hospitality". Set machine guns in pill boxes on your shores? Meantime, the German government has begun to act thoughtfully, they are to be commended ...

Exclusive: EU should create immigrant processing centre in Turkey, says German minister | euronews, world news

Germany opens its gates: Berlin says all Syrian asylum-seekers are welcome to remain, as Britain is urged to make a 'similar statement' - Europe - World - The Independent

Germany is the first European country to free Syrian refugees from a draconian bureaucratic “trap” - Quartz

The USA changed their immigration laws in the 1920's part of my family now lives in Toronto. I am lucky to live in the US rather than Minsk or Odessa where my family came from, notwithstanding, my paternal Grandmother who's family immigrated from Germany.

This immigrant wave is yours (Europe's ) because of proximity. You have to deal with it somehow. There are other world actors responsible for this situation -- they should offer humanitarian aid in these refugees' resettlement efforts -- they should bear burden of their part in causation of this. However, ISIS will offer no aid nor will Assad

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Secretary of State John F. Kerry announced today the United States will provide $380 million in additional U.S. humanitarian assistance to help those affected by the war in Syria. With this additional funding, the United States’ humanitarian assistance since the crisis began is more than $1.7 billion to help those suffering inside Syria, as well as refugees and host communities in the neighboring countries.

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With the humanitarian situation worsening every day, growing numbers of people inside Syria and refugees in neighbouring countries are in need of assistance. The European Union is increasing its assistance to the Syria crisis by €136 million in humanitarian funding, half of which will go to needs inside Syria, and the other half to Syrian refugees and host communities in neighbouring Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.

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The European Union, with its Member States, is one of the leaders of the international humanitarian response to the Syria crisis, having mobilised over €3.25 billion in assistance. Including today's top-up, the European Commission alone has provided €817 million in humanitarian funding.

European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - EU steps up humanitarian assistance to Syria crisis

There are somewhere between 3 million and 6 million displaced persons in the area.

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As of Sunday, the U.S. and its coalition partners had conducted 790 airstrikes in Syria, according to Pentagon statistics. In all, the U.S. has spent $1.2 billion on its campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

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dated:1.15.2015
Wars are expensive, always have been ... It would cost $500 billion to $2 trillion to send an invasion force into that area and to what end? 12 Years of wars in the region and it is still a mess.
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Many of the migrants aboard were young people and nobody was injured when the train nicknamed "the Beast" came off the tracks, a spokesman for local emergency services said.
Ever been in Oaxaca? I have. It was a shithole 30 years ago with peasants living in wood shacks that were black from cooking fires. The local intercity buses were like yellow school buses with cages of chickens tied to the top. Toward the Guatemalan border in Chiapas the territory of the Zapatistas the poverty gets worse. There has been a low-level civil war going on for years in parts of Mexico and most of Central America.

It looked a lot like the poverty and share-croppers shacks I saw in the Carolinas in 1960 but even worse -- at least they had fire pits outside or chimneys.

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LiveLeak.com - Mexican Train Derails With 1,000 Illegal Immigrants Riding On Top


Quit whining -- this is happening everywhere ... Everywhere where there are wars and repressive governments. I can't offer a solution and I know 100 years from now this will not change.

Assimilating ethnicities does not work too well. There is too much religious hatred and racism to reach a common understanding. Look at the old Soviet Union and Russia today, or for that matter -- the United States. I look at the birds, different birds, colors and ''races'', that feed on and share the seeds I put out for them. Some birds will share the feast but some birds chase the others away
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'You get street smart when you live in Malmö' - The Local

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Since the New Year, Malmö has suffered, on average, a detonation a week. On Friday night there was another explosion in a residential area, but nobody was injured.

“It is the thirtieth explosive attack since the New Year. We have a situation that is serious,” says the Malmö police chief Stefan Sintéus.

In several cases the hand grenades have come from the former Yugoslavia, according to police. Upon detonation anyone within five metres will probably be killed. And a person who falls within a radius of twenty meters is at risk of serious shrapnel injuries.

“It seems that most of the attacks are focused on buildings and vehicles,” says Sintéus. “But it is wrong to say of me that there is no risk to members of the public.”
One dead after shooting and stabbing in Rinkeby - The Local
You would do yourself a big favor if you read the international press. Did you ever consider that your press is biased? So are these Serbian gangs or immigrants terrorists that the Serbs gave hand grenades to? Or, are the Swedes lairs?

Do you know the history of Little Italy in New York City and the Italian American la costra nostra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Mafia

Most Italian immigrants were not Mafia. In fact, the Italian immigrant was the most victimized person by his own countrymen.

I am sure there are immigrant gangs in Europe just like there were in the USA during waves of immigration. Why should this be any different today? More importantly, why would any sane person use these occurrences to demonize the victims the same as the criminals?
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You would do yourself a big favor if you read the international press. Did you ever consider that your press is biased? So are these Serbian gangs or immigrants terrorists that the Serbs gave hand grenades to? Or, are the Swedes lairs?

Do you know the history of Little Italy in New York City and the Italian American la costra nostra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Mafia

Most Italian immigrants were not Mafia. In fact, the Italian immigrant was the most victimized person by his own countrymen.

I am sure there are immigrant gangs in Europe just like there were in the USA during waves of immigration. Why should this be any different today? More importantly, why would any sane person use these occurrences to demonize the victims the same as the criminals?
Why you are so upset? You are completely safe there. I've just pasted a link without any kind of explanation. I am reading American,Russian,Chineese,Iranian news....

If someone is stupid enough to think that any media is free and unbiased,that is not my problem. Our goal should be to get info and try to make picture from that. That was just one info but obviously you didn't understand message behind it , or you interpreted it wrong.

I am trying not to be biased. Let me show you with this reminder. Message behind this is similar as for a post that made you react that way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijailo_Mijailovi%C4%87

I could paste you links from local news about immigrants stabbing, fighting, attacking etc, but I didnt. That site that I've pasted is fully operated and following american interests and policy. That is main and strongest media house in Serbia and was funded by US for years and did most of the job during coup d'etat back in 2000. After "revolution" , they suddenly got buildings, coverage, money...everything they need for their merits. But that is completely another story (but related).

There are no free medias or it is hard to find them online (small sites). I can paste you links and photos what refugees are doing here and reports from people on the street (that government medias won't show) but I really don't have a time to do that. For example, today "refugees" demolished car on the road that didn't want to drive them.

If you want to see how real refugees look and how they act, check out columns of Serbian refugees from Kosovo or Croatia (I want to tell that we here know very well what are refugees. Emigrants, gypsies,all that shit is often sent to Serbia.Why? Because government signed long ago agreement that will accept all shit Eu don't want. In whose interest is that?). There are tons of videos online and no one didn't give a flying fuck while it was happening.

I 've took few photos today from some of refugees that I've met . As mentioned above, most of them don't look poor or helpless. They are eating in fast food restaurants,sitting in cafees, laughing and staring at girls. Of course, always without women or children you are seeing on TV.

My hands were full, if I find time I will take better pictures tomorrow. For example that guy in red shirt is waiting in mcdonalds.



These guys are chatting and smiling. Definitely in better mood then me.


This is local Libaneese fast food. It is full of them. There are at least 3 or more "muslim" fast food and one restaurants near my place (maybe that will give you a picture about Muslims in Serbia because from what I've read before, you are still under influence of medias)


To make it short: this is dangerous and well organized muslim migration into Europe.
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bla bla bla

You Serbs just pass the trash (the immigrant) out of your country -- I really don't blame you as they are an economic burden. I cannot really blame the Hungarians either as they have their own economic issues.

You better hope the Germans do not deport many.

Like I said in the beginning: this problem will not just go away. Now the Turks are attaking the Kurds primarily then ISIS in Syria -- Kurds will be floating in to Greece next. Who are you going to call "Ghostbusters?''

Should we just abandon Syria and Iraq to ISIS. Until ISIS can steal a Navy, after they overrun Europe, they are not going to hit the shores of the United States and even if they did, we are ready for those knuckle-draggers, we have 70 million citizens with 180 million rifles and handguns to meet them with and a real Army.

I would suggest you get some soldiers on the ground and end this in ISIS land where this undesirable problem originates from. Just like Europe has had to do for 2300 years. America is no good at wars in the region -- that has been proven in the last 20 years. Give it a go ...
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