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Old 09-12-2015, 05:21 PM   #1
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which is better - russian or ukrainian mail order brides?

i am looking for massive breasts, ugly face. never says no to sex. which is best country for this?

thanks.

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Old 09-12-2015, 05:38 PM   #2
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Old 09-12-2015, 05:45 PM   #3
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Stay away from Russians.
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You didn't specify length of armpit hair.
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Russian and Ukranian women are 100% batshit crazy. Steer clear of them!
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if they offer exchange then why not try both ?
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which is better - russian or ukrainian mail order brides?
Both are scam. You will lose some money in the best case. In worst case you will lose your house.

"Oh, I'm a poor super model miss Russia/Ukraine 2015. Nobody wants me here and I want to live in the USA with a men of my dream - an ugly fat and old farmer from Oklahoma! I will be the best wife ever and turn your life into heaven! Could you please send me $500 to make a visa, sweetheart? Blah-blah-blah..."

I'm not kidding man, stay away from this shit.

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http://www.loversplanet.ru/forum/topic1816.html
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Use Google translate to read
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there you go, a lot of ukrainian "brides", many of them ready for work as low as 300 UAH
????? ?????? , ???? ??????, ???????????, ?????, ??????????? ??????, ????????, ???????, ???????, ???????, ????, ?????, ??????? ?????, ????, ????

howver, you have to be there in person
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there you go, a lot of ukrainian "brides", many of them ready for work as low as 300 UAH
????? ?????? , ???? ??????, ???????????, ?????, ??????????? ??????, ????????, ???????, ???????, ???????, ????, ?????, ??????? ?????, ????, ????

howver, you have to be there in person
Yep. The only way to have sex with a real Ukrainian girl. FYI: the Ukraine is a visa-free country, so go ahead ;) Anyways most of those are always looking for a way to relocate to Moscow. The prices here are much higher and almost every second whore is from the Ukraine. But once again, if you want it cheap and can't get Russian visa (which is really hard one), go to Kiev or Odessa

P.S. Don't forget to use a condom, because according to the stats, every 4th Ukrainian whore is HIV-positive.
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Hard for whom, for Iraqis?

You just go, pay the fee and get it. Easier than anything. Tested fact. Never heard about anyone being rejected. Even peasant type who go just to buy there cheaper stuff never heard of rejection, lol.
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there you go, a lot of ukrainian "brides", many of them ready for work as low as 300 UAH
????? ?????? , ???? ??????, ???????????, ?????, ??????????? ??????, ????????, ???????, ???????, ???????, ????, ?????, ??????? ?????, ????, ????

howver, you have to be there in person
I just did a quick search and prices are like 100-200-300 usd/hour.

300 UAH is like 12 eur, that sounds way off (for models of that quality from your link).

Edit: found some 45eur/hr as well.
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I just did a quick search and prices are like 100-200-300 usd/hour.

300 UAH is like 12 eur, that sounds way off (for models of that quality from your link).

Edit: found some 45eur/hr as well.
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for Haitians from Cuba
but its true that getting is kind of pain the ass. likey would discourage anyone from visiting their huge, cold,muddy and often drunk country....
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You just go, pay the fee and get it. Easier than anything. Tested fact. Never heard about anyone being rejected. Even peasant type who go just to buy there cheaper stuff never heard of rejection, lol.
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Make sure you find one named Olga or Svetlana. Those girls are very rare. Make sure you send plenty of momey before you meet or even talk on the phone so she knows you care.
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Yep. The only way to have sex with a real Ukrainian girl. FYI: the Ukraine is a visa-free country, so go ahead ;) Anyways most of those are always looking for a way to relocate to Moscow. The prices here are much higher and almost every second whore is from the Ukraine. But once again, if you want it cheap and can't get Russian visa (which is really hard one), go to Kiev or Odessa

P.S. Don't forget to use a condom, because according to the stats, every 4th Ukrainian whore is HIV-positive.
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thanks.

Sounds like a trip down to The South (Alabama, Mississippi etc) is just what you had in mind, and likely less expensive
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My best friend married a chick from Romania. Came here on a school visa and never left. Figured as soon as she was legit she'd jet out on his ass but they been married for quite a few years now and have a son.

I currently have a Venezuela friend staying with me for 2 1/2 months. No I won't be marrying her even though cute as hell as she has a boyfriend back home but I am enjoying getting spoiled on laundry folding, cleaning and awesome cooking. Hopefully she returns next year as well. I'll probably cry when she leaves as frozen meals will pop back into rotation.
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Sounds like a trip down to The South (Alabama, Mississippi etc) is just what you had in mind, and likely less expensive
im with you man i fucking love the south.

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My best friend married a chick from Romania. Came here on a school visa and never left. Figured as soon as she was legit she'd jet out on his ass but they been married for quite a few years now and have a son.
funny, i myself had a female roommate from chechnya in the late 90s. she got here same way, not going home off a student visa. she had a syrian boyfriend & it was through them i found out there are actually normal people in middle east. watching the media, who wouldda thunk it?

she asked me to marry her to stick around but no. boobs not big enough.

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Hard for whom, for Iraqis?
For everybody. You'll need a lot of papers, not even mention that you have to do a HIV test and must be clear for it if you're going to get a Russian visa.

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If you are traveling to Russia independently and want to save money on obtaining your Russian Visa, just follow the stages below to get a Russian Visa with minimal stress and hassle.

Decide on the dates

Before you try to apply for a Russian Visa, you should decide exactly when you are going to be traveling and which cities you are going to visit. This information must be included on your visa application.
Check your passport

Make sure your passport is valid for the dates you are planning to travel. Most consular departments will require that your passport is valid for at least six months after your planned departure date from Russia. You also need to ensure that you have the required number of clear pages in your passport (this also varies at different consular departments, but two is normally enough).
Decide what type of visa you need

The type of visa you will apply for depends on the purpose of your trip and the length of your stay. Most visitors to Russia require only the easily obtainable single-entry Tourist Visa, valid for one month. If you are planning to stay for longer, or need to enter Russia more than once during your trip, then you will need a Business Visa even if you're traveling for pleasure. Finally, if you're going to visit Russian friends, you may want to try getting a Private Visa - although this is only really worth it if you are visiting the provinces and are having difficulty finding a professional visa sponsor.
Find someone to sponsor your visa

Once you've decided on the type of visa you need, you will then need to find a person or company who will supply you with the documents required by Russian consular departments to process your visa application. These documents are usually referred to as visa support documents. If you are pre-booking accommodation in Russia, then nearly all hotels and most travel agencies will be able to issue you with the necessary documents to apply for a one-month Tourist Visa.

If you applying for a Tourist Visa you require the following relevant documents:

Tourist Voucher
Tourist Confirmation

These documents should be provided by a travel company or a hotel. These companies are referred to as visa sponsors. There are many travel companies who will, for a fee, act as visa sponsors and provide you with these documents without pre-booked accommodation. Both documents can be fitted on to one A4 sheet of paper if necessary, and they can be presented to most Russian consular departments as a faxed copy. Check with your nearest consular department to ensure that a fax is acceptable.

For Business Visas and Private Visas, you will require a Business Visa Invitation or Private Visa Invitation, issued by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (for Business Invitations) or the Russian Ministry of the Interior (for Private Invitations) at the request of the company or individual who is sponsoring your visa application. Many travel companies are able to obtain such invitations for a fee, and can arrange to have them couriered to you if your consulate requires an original copy.
Find your nearest Russian Embassy or Consulate

Now you have all the documents you need to apply for a Russian Visa. The next step is to find the nearest Russian consular department which will accept your visa application. If you are unsure where that is, check the Russian Consular Locator. You will need to check the processing times, application rules and visa tariffs for each consular department separately.
Get an HIV test

If you are applying for a visa for longer than three months, you will need to provide, along with your application, a document certifying that you are HIV negative. Check with your nearest consular department concerning validity of HIV tests.
Get health insurance

Most Russian consular departments will require you to have health insurance covering the dates of your proposed trip and valid in Russia. If you already have travel health insurance, you will need to confirm that it covers the Russian Federation. You may also have to fill in an Insurance Card, noting the number and validity of your insurance policy.
Get your picture taken

Your visa application must be accompanied by a recent photo of yourself. In most cases, you will need to submit one passport-size color photograph taken against a white background. You must remember to sign the back of the photograph.
Fill in the application form

Along with your passport and your visa support documents, you will need to submit a completed Visa Application Form. You can download a blank form and find an example of a completed form with explanations here. Check with your nearest consular department that this form is valid with them before submitting your application. US, UK, Australian and Canadian citizens are required to fill in a longer and more detailed form (two pages) than the one for other nationalities.
Submit your application

Now you have everything ready, you can submit your documents to the nearest Russian Consular Department. If you have the time, we strongly recommend that you submit your application by post. It's cheaper and considerably easier than applying in person. However, the process can take up to one month and, as a rule, consular departments do not issue urgent visas by post. If you need a visa urgently, then check the opening hours of your nearest consular department, turn up as early as possible and, in many places, expect to queue. Don't forget that your application must be accompanied by the following documents:
Your passport
A completed Visa Application Form
Relevant visa support documents
Details of health insurance
One color photograph
HIV test results (if applying for a six-month or longer visa)
A postal or money order for the cost of your visa (if applying by post)
A self-addressed envelope with pre-paid postage (if applying by post)

Obtain your visa

Now all you can do is wait until your visa is issued. There is little point in trying to contact most Russian Consular Departments before the date you have been told your visa will be ready. In most cases, they will not answer any queries about the status of applications.
Obtain a Migration Card

Along with your Russian Visa, you will need to obtain a Migration Card at your point of entry into Russia. This is a form in English and Russian which you must complete and present at passport control. Half will be stamped and returned to you, and you must keep it with your visa until your departure.
Register your visa

Once you're inside the Russian Federation, the party that provides you with accommodation is obliged to register your visa within seven working days of entry. If you are traveling on a Tourist Visa and staying in a hotel, then it is almost certain will be able to register your visa at reception. In this case, the hotel will issue you with proof of registration, which you will be required to submit at passport control when you leave Russia.

If you are traveling on a Business or Private Visa, then you will be registered with a local department of the Federal Migration Service. The responsibility to register you lies with the person or company who is providing your accommodation or who has sponsored your visa, and they can now do this at any post office. To register you, they will need to show your passport there. They will then be issued with proof of registration, which you should carry until the end of your stay. Check with whoever is providing your visa support documents beforehand to ensure that they can take care of the registration process.
Make copies

We strongly recommend that you make photocopies of all your travel documents, including the main pages of your passport, your Russian Visa, and both sides of your migration card. Should you lose your passport or migration card during your stay, copies are almost certain to make things easier. They can also be carried with you instead of the original documents in case the Russian police wish to check your identity.
Good luck on that

P.S. But please believe me - the Ukraine will be your best choice: cheap whores, cheap vodka and drugs, no HIV tests (the positive tested foreigns are welcomed there because they won't affect the epidemic there) and no visa at all. Just book a ticket
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Old 09-14-2015, 04:12 AM   #37
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if you want it cheap and can't get Russian visa (which is really hard one)
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LOL clueless cmmie idiot.
I know you are, but why telling it to the all GFY members, clown?
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I know you are, but why telling it to the all GFY members, clown?
Did you really just pull an "i know you are but what am i?". What are you 12?
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Ok and good luck to you too
It was a joke ... of course I don't want to get HIV (again). I was just using a joke to basically say I think that woman is hot.
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It was a joke ... of course I don't want to get HIV (again).
I've your joke, of course, but why "again"?

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I was just using a joke to basically say I think that woman is hot.
Believe me or not, she looks really nice but she's still a very regular one for the Ukraine, Russia, Belorussia, Latvia or Estonia. I mean when you are walking from your home to a nearest supermarket, you will see a dozen of those. I don't even even mention some special places when you can have sex with many of them for free (just make sure you have enough of viagra). Don't get me wrong, I'm a married man and I don't cheat on my wife but some of my friends are not, and I won't refuse to make them a company in those adult clubs because you are not forced to participate in orgies and can simple hung out at the bar with a few glasses of beer or have a good night dinner there while your friends are losing a wagon of calories in private or gang-bang rooms

P.S. If you think I'm kidding, just book a trip to Moscow and make sure to give me your phone number. I'll show you some places you would never believe they exist (don't worry, everything is absolutely legal - drugs, drunk, unshaven, inadequate, aggressive, underage or persons over 50 year old are not allowed there - very strict face control). You pay the club entrance price (about $150 for a person) and for my beer. Everything else will be absolutely free for you and you'll change your opinion of a real hot woman forever
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For everybody. You'll need a lot of papers, not even mention that you have to do a HIV test and must be clear for it if you're going to get a Russian visa.
It is not hard to get (there is not even a hint that you could not get it if all necessary papers presented, so it is easy), it is easy to get just with more than usual amount of bureaucracy. HIV is for visas longer than 3 months only, which does not apply to most of the tourists.
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It is not hard to get (there is not even a hint that you could not get it if all necessary papers presented, so it is easy)
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it is easy to get just with more than usual amount of bureaucracy. HIV is for visas longer than 3 months only, which does not apply to most of the tourists.
I guess you haven't got a single Russian visa, right? And yes, the HIV test is now mandatory for even a one-day visa. Ask somebody who've got it and don't post your bullshit here, kid, because you look really stupid.
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You're trying to make it sound like Russia is sooo difficult to travel to. And that millions of first world nations are just begging to get in.

The application is standardized just like western visas. You prepare your documents which is an annoyance. Go through the application process and that is it.

Im also pretty sure the medical exam is only required from certain countries applying. Similar to USA or Canada visas.

My friend applied, was approved and visited Russia under 1 year ago with no medical exam.

The way you make it sound is completely false. Any visa application is a pure annoyance. But it is standardized or else no one would get in.

Any visa application i have ever done requires alot of documents. That is the entire point. Also many western countries do require a medical exam from certain countries as i pointed out. Russia is the exact same way and isnt technically difficult.
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You're trying to make it sound like Russia is sooo difficult to travel to.
I don't want to tell you anything, clown. I've just noticed that getting a Russian visa is a real pain in ass according to the foreign people I know, while a trip to the Ukraine does not require any visa at all (go there while you can!) Read the links above. If I was need to collect all those papers for a US or EU visa, I would never get one because I'm too lazy for that shit. Just FYI: to get the EU visa in Russia, you just need to give your photo and passport info to the travel agency (no need to even visit an embassy). To get the US visa (for the first time) you really need to show up in the embassy, make your electronic fingerprints and speak for 30 seconds with the embassy employee. Also you have to pay $160 for a 5 year visa which allows everybody to stay in their country for up to 6 months. Both are nothing special and do not require any additional papers, medical tests etc. Actually you'll spend a half of a day for a whole procedure. The US visa does not require even a medical insurance (which is a bit strange to me because both Russian and EU visas do require it).

In contrast to you, I've been almost all around the Globe and have both the US and EU visas, while you - a 3rd-world clown have never got a Russian one. Accept it as is, loser and stop trying to be an expert in things you have no single idea about
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I guess you haven't got a single Russian visa, right? And yes, the HIV test is now mandatory for even a one-day visa. Ask somebody who've got it and don't post your bullshit here, kid, because you look really stupid.
I got a visa, there was not even a hint that it was possible to be rejected as long as I provided all the docs and waited.
Many others did the same, and this is honestly the first time I hear about it being "hard" (as in rejection hard, not bureaucracy hard).
This is simple not true as, even if I wanted, I could not find any single person who was rejected, that just does not happen (I am talking about Europeans here, not Iraq etc).

It is pointless to argue with your delusions, as usual, you just like to present it in a ridiculous way "Russia is so great, it does not allow many people etc etc", but this is just ridiculous and typical overstatement from you. You are that kind of person.

PS: As for HIV test - I just checked Russian embassy website and it still states that it is needed only for 3+ months visas.
You may be right and they could have changed that, but in that case it would be nice to update requirements on embassy page as well Typical Russian slacking, I guess them.
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Believe me or not, she looks really nice but she's still a very regular one for the Ukraine, Russia, Belorussia, Latvia or Estonia. I mean when you are walking from your home to a nearest supermarket, you will see a dozen of those. I don't even even mention some special places when you can have sex with many of them for free (just make sure you have enough of viagra). Don't get me wrong, I'm a married man and I don't cheat on my wife but some of my friends are not, and I won't refuse to make them a company in those adult clubs because you are not forced to participate in orgies and can simple hung out at the bar with a few glasses of beer or have a good night dinner there while your friends are losing a wagon of calories in private or gang-bang rooms

P.S. If you think I'm kidding, just book a trip to Moscow and make sure to give me your phone number. I'll show you some places you would never believe they exist (don't worry, everything is absolutely legal - drugs, drunk, unshaven, inadequate, aggressive, underage or persons over 50 year old are not allowed there - very strict face control). You pay the club entrance price (about $150 for a person) and for my beer. Everything else will be absolutely free for you and you'll change your opinion of a real hot woman forever
That's also a joke, I don't have HIV nor have I had an HIV miracle cure.

Unfortunately, I'm married too but if ever my wife agrees to "have a break" ... I'll hit you up!
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I don't want to tell you anything, clown. I've just noticed that getting a Russian visa is a real pain in ass according to the foreign people I know, while a trip to the Ukraine does not require any visa at all (go there while you can!) Read the links above. If I was need to collect all those papers for a US or EU visa, I would never get one because I'm too lazy for that shit. Just FYI: to get the EU visa in Russia, you just need to give your photo and passport info to the travel agency (no need to even visit an embassy). To get the US visa (for the first time) you really need to show up in the embassy, make your electronic fingerprints and speak for 30 seconds with the embassy employee. Also you have to pay $160 for a 5 year visa which allows everybody to stay in their country for up to 6 months. Both are nothing special and do not require any additional papers, medical tests etc. Actually you'll spend a half of a day for a whole procedure. The US visa does not require even a medical insurance (which is a bit strange to me because both Russian and EU visas do require it).

In contrast to you, I've been almost all around the Globe and have both the US and EU visas, while you - a 3rd-world clown have never got a Russian one. Accept it as is, loser and stop trying to be an expert in things you have no single idea about
Well no it's not a "pain in the ass" comparatively to applying for any other visa. They are almost all the exact same process. As was pointed out to you earlier unless you are from shit hole country the process is not any more difficult.

And no my friend didn't require a medical to travel to Russia. And anyway any visa I have ever done has licensed clinics you go to to receive a medical. It's really not a big deal.

Um I have lived and traveled around the globe. I almost guarantee in more places than you. I also am from the first world. But nice try. You see it is great being me I'm not from a shit country such as Russia where I need a visa to continually travel.

You're so delusional that you somehow think getting into Russia is SO difficult. I guarantee you if I applied I would be accepted no problem. I just have to no need to visit a country full of closed minded people like yourself.
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I got a visa, there was not even a hint that it was possible to be rejected as long as I provided all the docs and waited.
Many others did the same, and this is honestly the first time I hear about it being "hard" (as in rejection hard, not bureaucracy hard).
This is simple not true as, even if I wanted, I could not find any single person who was rejected, that just does not happen (I am talking about Europeans here, not Iraq etc).

It is pointless to argue with your delusions, as usual, you just like to present it in a ridiculous way "Russia is so great, it does not allow many people etc etc", but this is just ridiculous and typical overstatement from you. You are that kind of person.

PS: As for HIV test - I just checked Russian embassy website and it still states that it is needed only for 3+ months visas.
You may be right and they could have changed that, but in that case it would be nice to update requirements on embassy page as well Typical Russian slacking, I guess them.
LOL CyberSEO is so delusional he actually has himself convinced that applying for a Russian visa is like applying for a security job at the Kremlin.

Then when you point out personal experience he resorts to how great he is because he has been on a few plane rides. Expected anyway.
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I did just find this rather telling story of an American trying to get a Russian Visa. Maybe it's more difficult for Americans?

An American’s nightmare with Russian visa | Europe Forum | Fodor's Travel Talk Forums
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