10 Reasons I'm Only Voting for Bernie Sanders and Will Not Support Hillary Clinton

[dyna mo]

1. The Iraq War. Sanders was on the right side of history. Bernie Sanders voted against the Iraq War, using the same intelligence reports as Clinton and Bush. He also foreshadowed the dire consequences of Iraq. In contrast, Hillary Clinton voted for Iraq and now calls her vote a "mistake."

Bernie Sanders stated on CNN that "I'll be damned" if he sends more Americans back to the Middle East as president.

Regardless of her neoconservative outlook on war and foreign policy, certain "Facebook Liberals" who hate Bush but love Hillary also forget that Clinton and Bush aren't very different in terms of foreign policy.

As Jacob Heilbrunn writes in The New York Times, "It's easy to imagine Mrs. Clinton's making room for the neocons in her administration."

President Obama just sent Americans to Syria, and might even send more American soldiers in the near future. There's no doubt President Hillary Clinton would send more Americans to the Middle East.

I'm not certain we need a president who jokes, "We came, we saw, he died," and then helps usher a devastating civil war in Libya with her decision to oust a dictator.

You can hear Secretary of State Clinton utter the words in this CBS News segment.


2. The Keystone XL Pipeline. Bernie Sanders has always been against Keystone XL. Keystone XL may threaten water acquirers that irrigate much of the U.S. We know President Sanders will continue President Obama's vetoes of Keystone XL. Clinton was once inclined to support Keystone. She has now evolved, along with a number of other issues. I simply do not trust President Clinton to veto Keystone legislation.

3. Euphemisms. Bernie Sanders never uses euphemisms. I trust Bernie because he speaks clearly; English is a means to communicate, not shield from criticism. Clinton, on the other hand, lives by euphemism. From a "witch hunt" to wiping a server used out of "convenience" with a "cloth," too many words are used to hide the truth.

4. One candidate is the Charles Darwin of politics. The other is Bernie Sanders. Clinton always evolves; usually following Bernie's lead on issues. I wouldn't sign a contract with an "evolving" clause, nor would I want a president who continually evolves based upon reasons unknown to the average voter.

5. Presidential powers. On war and foreign policy, I want a Democrat, not a Republican. Sanders is the Democrat on foreign policy, while Clinton is another Republican in 2016.

6. The TPP. Sanders has always been against the TPP. Clinton supported it 45 times, but now says she's against it. As POLITIFACT states, "It's up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but we rate Clinton's reversal as a Full Flop."

7. Clinton's 3:00 a.m. ad and Racism. Bernie Sanders has a comprehensive racial justice platform. Clinton's 3:00 a.m. ad in 2008 had a "racist sub-message" according to one Harvard sociologist.

8. I want a Democrat in the White House. I don't want a moderate Republican on Wall Street, or a neocon pertaining to war.

9. The DNC needs to end its fear of being too progressive. I'll only vote for Sanders because progressive politics are mainstream. This isn't 1972 and Nixon is no longer with us, unless you equate Clinton to Richard Nixon.

10. Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate." Clinton represents establishment politics. If you're not voting for Sanders in 2016, don't ever again complain about Wall Street, perpetual wars, or money in politics.

Americans need a choice in our democracy. 43% of American voters are independent, so allegiance towards political party is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I want an honest progressive, not a Republican, which is why I will not support Trump or Clinton. Bernie Sanders will win the presidency in 2016 because there are millions of people like me, and I'll no longer be intimidated by the phrase, "You can't let a Republican win!" Sanders has enough votes to win a general election according to the polls and President Bernie Sanders will be a transformative figure in U.S. history.

10 Reasons I'm Only Voting for Bernie Sanders and Will Not Support Hillary Clinton.

[baddog]

You make some decent arguments; if I was leaning one way or the other, you may have swayed me.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

You make some decent arguments; if I was leaning one way or the other, you may have swayed me.

He's by far the best candidate for the people. I just don't think he can get the nomination away from Hillary.

I kinda wished he would of run as an independent being he's funded his campaign by grassroots anyway.

[AaronM]

Started to read the post then thought to myself "why the fuck am I reading this?" and that's where I stopped.

No chance of me voting for ANY of the current Democratic Presidential Candidates, especially Clinton or Sanders.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Started to read the post then thought to myself "why the fuck am I reading this?" and that's where I stopped.

No chance of me voting for ANY of the current Democratic Presidential Candidates, especially Clinton or Sanders.

One reason might be that it really was a good argument and you might be able to use it later to take vote away from Hillary since we all know Sanders doesn't stand a chance.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Started to read the post then thought to myself "why the fuck am I reading this?" and that's where I stopped.

No chance of me voting for ANY of the current Democratic Presidential Candidates, especially Clinton or Sanders.

while Sanders is my guy, i'm still standing behind my prediction that a republican will win the general election. i'm also still standing behind my prediction that Hillary will NOT get the democratic nom. if she does, i'll certain have to look at the republican nominee. if it's someone like Bush, i doubt i could vote for him. Trump, a super solid maybe.........

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

while Sanders is my guy, i'm still standing behind my prediction that a republican will win the general election. i'm also still standing behind my prediction that Hillary will NOT get the democratic nom. if she does, i'll certain have to look at the republican nominee. if it's someone like Bush, i doubt i could vote for him. Trump, a super solid maybe.........

Bush belongs in jail right next to Clinton.

[$5 submissions]

Fuck all that...... TRUMP FOR THE WIN :D

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by baddog

One reason might be that it really was a good argument and you might be able to use it later to take vote away from Hillary since we all know Sanders doesn't stand a chance.

Anybody who would even consider voting for ANY of the Democratic Presidential candidates is already a lost cause. No need for me to debate politics with them in the first place.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Anybody who would even consider voting for ANY of the Democratic Presidential candidates is already a lost cause. No need for me to debate politics with them in the first place.

Yea because voting for any of the republican candidates obviously makes you a brainiac...

[JJ Gold]

Don't be a Commie pussy! Vote Trump!

[ilnjscb]

Ole ole, ole ole

HA Goodman is a shill

[Acepimp]

I like some of what Bernie says, however he has said nothing about the colossal national debt. What's his solution? Spend trillions on infrastructure! Free college for everyone! Raise income tax to 90 percent! Expand government! Forget all that. Ben Carson is the guy with real solutions that make sense.

[MetaMan]

How can anyone vote for a big government pig? That is disgusting. I never thought a self proclaimed socialist would be looked at in the USA seriously.

The government needs to be smaller and have less power. They try to pit the people against eachother. They spend and waste without blinking and still ask for more.

People need to take control of their own lives and not look for government to do the job.

Democrat + Republicans have comitted decades of high treason in my opinion. The last thing that is needed is another guy who will take even more control to try to build his fake utopia.

[Barry-xlovecam]

So, OWS was just a flash in the pan?

OWS just found a new ''Champion" for the cause.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I like some of what Bernie says, however he has said nothing about the colossal national debt. What's his solution? Spend trillions on infrastructure! Free college for everyone! Raise income tax to 90 percent! Expand government! Forget all that. Ben Carson is the guy with real solutions that make sense.

How can you take anything Ben Carson says seriously? The guy is a fucking loon..

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Ole ole, ole ole

HA Goodman is a shill

'10. Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate." Clinton represents establishment politics. If you're not voting for Sanders in 2016, don't ever again complain about Wall Street, perpetual wars, or money in politics.'

seems pretty non-shillish

[pornguy]

1 reminder. they are ALL politicians. they will do what is best for them. Thats it, end of story.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

So, OWS was just a flash in the pan?

OWS just found a new ''Champion" for the cause.

OWS, was just stupid. It had the potential to be a positive movement but instead it was run by a bunch of retards with ridiculous demands.

Had they stuck to reasonable shit, like forcing the govt to go after the ass holes who caused the crash and ending g the big money bail outs then it could of been sucessful. Instead they had ridiculous demands which were easy for the media and politicians to pick apart and ignore.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

'10. Bernie Sanders is a "once in a lifetime candidate." Clinton represents establishment politics. If you're not voting for Sanders in 2016, don't ever again complain about Wall Street, perpetual wars, or money in politics.'

seems pretty non-shillish

Funny the only people I ever see use the word "shill" are Russians and Republicans.. it's no wonder I have to troll them both..

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I like some of what Bernie says, however he has said nothing about the colossal national debt. What's his solution? Spend trillions on infrastructure! Free college for everyone! Raise income tax to 90 percent! Expand government! Forget all that. Ben Carson is the guy with real solutions that make sense.

Funny since Carson has yet to come up with any policy. What are his solutions you speak of? Keep your delusions in your church.

[Sarn]

Americans choose Socialists, we sell you Lenin from Red Square with discount.
rename the Guantanamo in Gulag.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Americans choose Socialists, we sell you Lenin from Red Square with discount.
rename the Guantanamo in Gulag.

heads-up, lenin was a commie.

[sinclair]

Please forward to the DNC, maybe they will stop sucking the Hillary tit and see the light.

#feelthebern

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sinclair

Please forward to the DNC, maybe they will stop sucking the Hillary tit and see the light.

#feelthebern

wouldn't that be nice. unfortunately, the DNC is kowtowing to Hills, hell, they're even limiting and burying debates.

From Slate.com, a notoriously libtard media outlet::;;;

"It’s not new information that the Democratic primary debate schedule is both thin and designed to keep the number of human viewers to a minimum. Non-Hillary Clinton candidates like O’Malley and Sanders have been complaining about this, reasonably enough, for months. It’s sparked a public feud among leaders of the DNC—or, more likely, caused a long-existing rage with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s mysteriously lengthy tenure atop the DNC to burst into the open.

Let’s play sucker and try to make a good-faith defense of Wasserman Schultz’s stewardship of the 2016 primary process. Her job is to ensure both a fair primary process and the general election viability of the eventual Democratic nominee. Since Clinton will almost certainly become that nominee, then, Wasserman Schultz’s job is to protect Clinton. That’s why there are only six debates, and why three of the four debates are scheduled for time slots when few will be watching: It prevents Clinton from being nicked up too much by Sanders and O’Malley, or from saying something that may not play well to a more centrist general election audience."

Democrats aren't excited about voting for Hillary Clinton.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

heads-up, lenin was a commie.

Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Bolsheviks) (1898?1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
Socialism is only the beginning. the consequences are terrible

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Bolsheviks) (1898?1912)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
Socialism is only the beginning. the consequences are terrible

another name for that is communism. another name would be leninism. lenin in no way whatsoever was striving for socialism.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

another name for that is communism. another name would be leninism. lenin in no way whatsoever was striving for socialism.

Um keep telling yourself that.

What is the different if I am socialist and tax you 90% and redistribute it or as the state i own 90% and redistribute it.

Don't fall for this new age "socialist" thing. It is the exact same goals and outcomes.

Anyone whoever lived near or around a communist society can see right through it. Sarn is indeed correct.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Um keep telling yourself that.

What is the different if I am socialist and tax you 90% and redistribute it or as the state i own 90% and redistribute it.

Don't fall for this new age "socialist" thing. It is the exact same goals and outcomes.

Anyone whoever lived near or around a communist society can see right through it. Sarn is indeed correct.

i'm not telling myself that. facts are telling me that. you may want to study some facts, prior to trying to correct me on the facts. Leninism is not socialism, and it's certainly not modern day democratic socialism.

[dyna mo]

According to Lenin's April Theses, the goal of the revolution and vanguard party was not the introduction of socialism....

...Lenin denounced social democrats, ...and called for new communist policies. The April Theses influenced the July Days and October Revolution in the next months and are identified with Leninism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...917/apr/04.htm

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not telling myself that. facts are telling me that. you may want to study some facts, prior to trying to correct me on the facts. Leninism is not socialism, and it's certainly not modern day democratic socialism.

I am telling you they are 2 sides to the same coin. I don't care what title you put on it. The ideology to me has to same outcome.

Whether it happens slowly, systematically or is taken by force there is no difference.

You can have your views that is fine. But I'm telling you his thinking is very dangerous and people who grew up in those areas controlled by things like communism can see through these types of people very easily.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

According to Lenin's April Theses, the goal of the revolution and vanguard party was not the introduction of socialism....

...Lenin denounced social democrats, ...and called for new communist policies. The April Theses influenced the July Days and October Revolution in the next months and are identified with Leninism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...917/apr/04.htm

Your party labels mean nothing to me. Hitler was the head of the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" and tell me how that turned out for the jews him being supposedly "Socialist" (which he was not)?

I'm not comparing the current situation to Nazis. I am just saying that a political organization can take on any title. Whatever the people are willing to eat up is the stance and title these parties will normally take.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

I am telling you they are 2 sides to the same coin. I don't care what title you put on it. The ideology to me has to same outcome.

Whether it happens slowly, systematically or is taken by force there is no difference.

You can have your views that is fine. But I'm telling you his thinking is very dangerous and people who grew up in those areas controlled by things like communism can see through these types of people very easily.

the distinct difference between the 2 is dictatorship. socialism lacks it while leninism (fascism) requires it.

and i'm aware of the dangers of government. we have a 2 party representational system, obviously dangerous in itself. nevertheless, Sanders' thinking is hardly dangerous, that's simply your opinion.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Um keep telling yourself that.

What is the different if I am socialist and tax you 90% and redistribute it or as the state i own 90% and redistribute it.

Don't fall for this new age "socialist" thing. It is the exact same goals and outcomes.

Anyone whoever lived near or around a communist society can see right through it. Sarn is indeed correct.

You caught us we plan to make you work in the potato fields for the people's republic so we can have free education and healthcare for the children.. Stay where you are, we have to come take your guns and put a bar code on your neck so we can track you...


It's really sad, while you consertives are so busy worrying about evil socialism, the polititions are busy selling this country to the guys with the biggest checks.. But oh no let's all be scared of electing the only honest guy in the race who happens to be a liberal, because.. Socialism..

[CurrentlySober]

whatever y'all say... i really like his chicken...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the distinct difference between the 2 is dictatorship. socialism lacks it while leninism (fascism) requires it.

and i'm aware of the dangers of government. we have a 2 party representational system, obviously dangerous in itself. nevertheless, Sanders' thinking is hardly dangerous, that's simply your opinion.

Well leninism isn't facist. It's communist for sure. But again we are just arguing over titles where i believe there is no correct opinion anyway. I just care about the outcome.

It is very dangerous when the government becomes to much about the collective in my opinion. Trying to push everyone to be the same and equal is very dangerous. That is not human nature and is proven countless times not to work.

I'm afraid for the future of the USA because I see it clearly that the "weak" and lowest common denominator are taking over. It is more about being equal than winning and being your personal best. Bernie Sanders pushes this very scary to me "equality". This kind of mentality is going to be very bad for the future.

The entitlement mentality is just starting to hit. Bernie Sanders pushes this mentality and makes it his platform. I don't see it getting better from here. But I can hope.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Well leninism isn't facist. It's communist for sure. But again we are just arguing over titles where i believe there is no correct opinion anyway. I just care about the outcome.

It is very dangerous when the government becomes to much about the collective in my opinion. Trying to push everyone to be the same and equal is very dangerous. That is not human nature and is proven countless times not to work.

I'm afraid for the future of the USA because I see it clearly that the "weak" and lowest common denominator are taking over. It is more about being equal than winning and being your personal best. Bernie Sanders pushes this very scary to me "equality". This kind of mentality is going to be very bad for the future.

The entitlement mentality is just starting to hit. Bernie Sanders pushes this mentality and makes it his platform. I don't see it getting better from here. But I can hope.

You are going to end up in the rice fields if you don't stop.. At least in the potato fields your feet stay dry..

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by crockett

How can you take anything Ben Carson says seriously? The guy is a fucking loon..

Crockett, please elaborate on this "loon" theory.

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Funny since Carson has yet to come up with any policy. What are his solutions you speak of? Keep your delusions in your church.

For starters, he wants to trim down the 600+ federal agencies. His idea: As bureaucrats retire from these agencies, we don't replace them with more bureaucrats. Cut out the waste, be more efficient, etc. After a few years this would save a ton of tax dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEjz94eeP1w

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Crockett, please elaborate on this "loon" theory.




For starters, he wants to trim down the 600+ federal agencies. His idea: As bureaucrats retire from these agencies, we don't replace them with more bureaucrats. Cut out the waste, be more efficient, etc. After a few years this would save a ton of tax dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEjz94eeP1w

Check out my topic about his Pyrimid theory, I think it pretty much sums it up..

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by crockett

You caught us we plan to make you work in the potato fields for the people's republic so we can have free education and healthcare for the children.. Stay where you are, we have to come take your guns and put a bar code on your neck so we can track you...

It's really sad, while you consertives are so busy worrying about evil socialism, the polititions are busy selling this country to the guys with the biggest checks.. But oh no let's all be scared of electing the only honest guy in the race who happens to be a liberal, because.. Socialism..

Well I'm not conservative so I am not to sure who you are talking to. I don't fit into a political party. I just do not like the way the Democratic party has shifted towards this super socialist/entitlement mentality. Just like you do not like the way many Republicans hold tight to their religion (which i don't like or agree with either).

But to me this new age socialist/entitlement society is much more dangerous then a group of guys who still like their church. Why? Because i believe religion is on its way out in the western world anyway. This new socialist/entitlement society is on the up rise. So to me it is more dangerous and it definitely is.

"free education" and "free healthcare" are great things for sure. I could also say "free round trip around the world for everyone" but it really doesn't stack up to against a litmus test. Government has gotten so big, so bloated. I don't trust anything they get their hands on and when someone steps in and wants to make that even larger i cannot fathom going that way. The government does not need more money, more control. They need to clean themselves up first.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Well leninism isn't facist. It's communist for sure. But again we are just arguing over titles where i believe there is no correct opinion anyway. I just care about the outcome.

It is very dangerous when the government becomes to much about the collective in my opinion. Trying to push everyone to be the same and equal is very dangerous. That is not human nature and is proven countless times not to work.

I'm afraid for the future of the USA because I see it clearly that the "weak" and lowest common denominator are taking over. It is more about being equal than winning and being your personal best. Bernie Sanders pushes this very scary to me "equality". This kind of mentality is going to be very bad for the future.

The entitlement mentality is just starting to hit. Bernie Sanders pushes this mentality and makes it his platform. I don't see it getting better from here. But I can hope.

i don't disagree. any choice has its pluses and minuses, potential risks and rewards.

but one thing i really like about Sanders (not mentioned in the OP), is his goals of reducing government. for me, that's a good thing to balance the socialist programs we have. let's not forget, we have quite a large social benefits situation here already.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are going to end up in the rice fields if you don't stop.. At least in the potato fields your feet stay dry..

I actually think Americans could be good with some collective work. Isn't that what socialism is all about? Helping each other? Some collective farming would be good for a large percentage of population so they can begin to respect work and earned wages. I agree with you here. Great idea.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Check out my topic about his Pyrimid theory, I think it pretty much sums it up..

it is odd that you give Hillary a free pass for believing in an old white guy in robes with a beard living in the clouds but rake Carson over the coals for believing pyramids stored grain.

[dyna mo]

i think the big big big reason i like Sanders is his anti-war stance. i'm sick of all the wars.


not saying he'd keep us out of it all, but he is the only one saying that's what he'd strive to do.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by crockett

Check out my topic about his Pyrimid theory, I think it pretty much sums it up..

You're back to the pyramid thing? There's no evidence they were used as tombs. That's someone's theory, presented as fact when it isn't. Carson's theory suggests they were used LATER for grain storage, and there is evidence to support this:

A depiction of the Egyptian pyramids as Joseph's granaries appears in a 12th-century mosaic on one of the domes of St. Mark's Basilica in Venice.



Got anything relevant? I like Bernie, i just don't like his reckless spending plan.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Well I'm not conservative so I am not to sure who you are talking to. I don't fit into a political party. I just do not like the way the Democratic party has shifted towards this super socialist/entitlement mentality. Just like you do not like the way many Republicans hold tight to their religion (which i don't like or agree with either).

But to me this new age socialist/entitlement society is much more dangerous then a group of guys who still like their church. Why? Because i believe religion is on its way out in the western world anyway. This new socialist/entitlement society is on the up rise. So to me it is more dangerous and it definitely is.

"free education" and "free healthcare" are great things for sure. I could also say "free round trip around the world for everyone" but it really doesn't stack up to against a litmus test. Government has gotten so big, so bloated. I don't trust anything they get their hands on and when someone steps in and wants to make that even larger i cannot fathom going that way. The government does not need more money, more control. They need to clean themselves up first.

I think you are only looking at the far extreme and bad vs what benefits as a nation we would gain..

First off I can't stand entitlements and I can't stand how some throw the word around about everything. Example most of the right wing tries to call social security "entitlements" which it 100 per fucking cent is not..

Now let's look at education and health care. First of all college debt is now the second largest form of debt in this country, seconded only to home mortgages. That in and of it's self is fucking insane and it's going to destroy this country.

Next, the fact that corporate America has this fixation with college diplomas is also completely fucking ridiclious. You don't need a fucking college education to be a manager but 99.9% of all major corporations require you to have one.. It's fucking stupid and is the root of the problem as to the rise of education costs and the massive debt so some college kid can get a few bucks extra per hour at Taco Bell.

The problem is we aren't equipping kids with the ability to get a job when they leave high school so they go to college thinking that will,solve their problems then still can't get a good job.. We need to be focusing on trade schools and yes that should be a free resource.

You want to be a programmer, then go to a trade school why do you need a 4 year CS degree to program C#? You want to be a machinist, a realtor What the fuck ever.. Well the skills should be obtained at trade schools as a continuing free education after you complete HS.

That is not socialism it's call creating a competent workforce and keeping our county competitive.. It's common sense IMO.

Heath care is also not an entitlement, it's a necessity. Everyone gets sick or needs to see a doctor.. This should be looked at as a basic human right. It sure as hell should not be a for profit industry where the insurance companies do everything possible to not pay for your needed care.

Education and health carecare are not entitlements, it's investing in the future of this country.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

You're back to the pyramid thing? There's no evidence they were used as tombs. That's someone's theory, presented as fact when it isn't. Carson's theory suggests they were used LATER for grain storage, and there is evidence to support this:

A depiction of the Egyptian pyramids as Joseph's granaries appears in a 12th-century mosaic on one of the domes of St. Mark's Basilica in Venice.



Got anything relevant? I like Bernie, i just don't like his reckless spending plan.

I'm sure there is nothing I can say to make you think the guy is crazy if you dont think the pyramids were built as tombs.. you are clearly on his level of thinking..

Have you ever thought of becoming a brain surgan?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

I think you are only looking at the far extreme and bad vs what benefits as a nation we would gain..

First off I can't stand entitlements and I can't stand how some throw the word around about everything. Example most of the right wing tries to call social security "entitlements" which it 100 per fucking cent is not..

Now let's look at education and health care. First of all college debt is now the second largest form of debt in this country, seconded only to home mortgages. That in and of it's self is fucking insane and it's going to destroy this country.

Next, the fact that corporate America has this fixation with college diplomas is also completely fucking ridiclious. You don't need a fucking college education to be a manager but 99.9% of all major corporations require you to have one.. It's fucking stupid and is the root of the problem as to the rise of education costs and the massive debt so some college kid can get a few bucks extra per hour at Taco Bell.

The problem is we aren't equipping kids with the ability to get a job when they leave high school so they go to college thinking that will,solve their problems then still can't get a good job.. We need to be focusing on trade schools and yes that should be a free resource.

You want to be a programmer, then go to a trade school why do you need a 4 year CS degree to program C#? You want to be a machinist, a realtor What the fuck ever.. Well the skills should be obtained at trade schools as a continuing free education after you complete HS.

That is not socialism it's call creating a competent workforce and keeping our county competitive.. It's common sense IMO.

Heath care is also not an entitlement, it's a necessity. Everyone gets sick or needs to see a doctor.. This should be looked at as a basic human right. It sure as hell should not be a for profit industry where the insurance companies do everything possible to not pay for your needed care.

Education and health carecare are not entitlements, it's investing in the future of this country.

i don't agree that higher education is over-emphasized. in fact, you're contradicting yourself because you like to point out how stupid Trump supporters are, the stats on those supporters show they are high school educated only. as another poster pointed out, other countries are cranking out engineers, a lot of engineers. more than US.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't agree that higher education is over-emphasized. in fact, you're contradicting yourself because you like to point out how stupid Trump supporters are, the stats on those supporters show they are high school educated only. as another poster pointed out, other countries are cranking out engineers, a lot of engineers. more than US.

Yes, college should still be around for higher education.. Things like doctors, lawyers or as you mentioned engineers. However you shouldn't need a 4 year education to be a lackey shift lead at a distrubtion wharehouse or a manager at Taco Bell and that's the way things have become.

As for Trump, supporters.. I don't think they are stupid because they didn't go to college. I think they are stupid for believing his BS.. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should know he isn't going to deport illegals in mass and he sure as hell isn't building a fucking wall on the boarder.. He is straight up lying and dumb fucks believe it, because it's what they want to hear..

[DonJon69]