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TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

The constitution has been amended 17 times, and the constitution is constantly disregarded by those in power.. Again, it's just a piece of paper.

Instead of gaining your moral compass based on ancient texts, there's a better way: it's called the non-aggression principle. It's wrong to initiate or threaten the initiation of force against a person or their property. Stick to that as the basis by which you associate with others and you'll be fine.

Wait, how can the Constitution (which, as you state, has been amended numerous times) be an ancient text?

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

Instead of gaining your moral compass based on ancient texts, there's a better way: it's called the non-aggression principle. It's wrong to initiate or threaten the initiation of force against a person or their property. Stick to that as the basis by which you associate with others and you'll be fine.

Except without government, there would be no one to stop the aggression.

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

The constitution has been amended 17 times, and the constitution is constantly disregarded by those in power.. Again, it's just a piece of paper.

That's like saying a Beetles album is just wax, or a Metallica album is just a CD, etc etc. You fail to recognize the value of the intangible content beyond the mere tangible delivery method.

galleryseek · 11-12-2015, 04:25 PM

"Wait, how can the Constitution (which, as you state, has been amended numerous times) be an ancient text?"

- Are you really going to split hairs here?

"Except without government, there would be no one to stop the aggression."

- Who stops aggression under government? People. Who would stop aggression without government? People. Privatized security and defense companies would exist.

"That's like saying a Beetles album is just wax, or a Metallica album is just a CD, etc etc. You fail to recognize the value of the content beyond the mere delivery method."

- It's a piece of paper in the idea that it's written by men, and changed by men. It's an opinion piece, it's not rooted in nature. People who say, "Well, that must be fine because the constitution permits it!!!" are philosophically inept. If you derive your morality from the constitution, you're doing it wrong.

It's worth having first principles such as the non-aggression axiom. Not the opinions of others.

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

- Who stops aggression under government? People. Who would stop aggression without government? People. Privatized security and defense companies would exist.

So wait, only people who can afford to pay for private security deserve law enforcement protection? Or would the private security you propose also provide security for people who can;t pay for it?

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

- It's a piece of paper in the idea that it's written by men, and changed by men. It's an opinion piece, it's not rooted in nature. People who say, "Well, that must be fine because the constitution permits it!!!" are philosophically inept. If you derive your morality from the constitution, you're doing it wrong.

It's worth having first principles such as the non-aggression axiom. Not the opinions of others.

Who said anything about using the Constitution as a basis to form their morality? I am using it as a basis to justify laws. Those are not necessarily the same thing.

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:37 PM

And imagine the scenario between two dueling private securities...in a land dispute between two land owners regarding property lines...who is going to regulate that in a government-less society?

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

- Who stops aggression under government? People. Who would stop aggression without government? People. Privatized security and defense companies would exist.

And what if my private security can overwhelm your private security...to the extent that I can occupy your land against your wishes? How would you be able to stop my aggression?

epitome · 11-12-2015, 06:39 PM

It's been around forever. It used to be landlines. Then it changed to mobile to keep up with times.

I think you get like 200 or 300 minutes and unlimited texting on the shittiest phone in the world. Not even MMS. My Nokia in 2001 was better.

mineistaken · 11-12-2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Can some who is against "Obama phones" please explain their reasons why? Because AFAIK that program doesn't even use any tax dollars...it is 100% funded by the private telecommunications companies.

Why is Hussein getting credited if 100% is from tele companies?
Maybe they are against this undeserved credit?

mineistaken · 11-12-2015, 06:48 PM

Just had to be posted

TCLGirls · 11-12-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Why is Hussein getting credited if 100% is from tele companies?
Maybe they are against this undeserved credit?

Yea if they are against the undeserved credit, they should not be calling it "Obama phone" in the first place...which is why I used quotes.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-12-2015, 07:12 PM

The US government is talking about adding mobile data to the ''obama phone plan.'' This way it will be easier to log into the welfare agencies and EBT central. Will the be a new fee on your internet access?

They say the internet is an ''essential'' communications path today ... reverse ecommerce ...

escorpio · 11-12-2015, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

A simple way to stir up Mark Prince is use "Republican" or if you really want to really stir him up use "Sarah Palin". Better yet go all out "Global Warming is a hoax"

Or "Fox News."

TCLGirls · 11-13-2015, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The US government is talking about adding mobile data to the ''obama phone plan.'' This way it will be easier to log into the welfare agencies and EBT central. Will the be a new fee on your internet access?

They say the internet is an ''essential'' communications path today ... reverse ecommerce ...

I believe data is already included in California...not sure though.

beerptrol · 11-13-2015, 12:53 PM

Seems those who need them the most are the ones to use them! I have no problem with that!
What cracks my nuts is standing in line seeing someone on the newest iphone using food stamps to buy food!

AMDWarrior · 11-13-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Can some who is against "Obama phones" please explain their reasons why? Because AFAIK that program doesn't even use any tax dollars...it is 100% funded by the private telecommunications companies.

You're as dumb as that stupid color you post in..

Tom_PM · 11-13-2015, 01:01 PM

Most are basically a Tracfone with 500 monthly minutes for the first 4 months, 350 after that. Free unlimited texts. From what I understand, you just fill in the form with proofs and they mail it to you. No need to even put your underpants on.

If you are on Medicaid, SNAP, other public assistance programs depending on US state, or simply have low income, then you could qualify. Apply now.

TCLGirls · 11-13-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Seems those who need them the most are the ones to use them! I have no problem with that!
What cracks my nuts is standing in line seeing someone on the newest iphone using food stamps to buy food!

Maybe someone bought it for them as a gift.

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galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	"Wait, how can the Constitution (which, as you state, has been amended numerous times) be an ancient text?" - Are you really going to split hairs here? "Except without government, there would be no one to stop the aggression." - Who stops aggression under government? People. Who would stop aggression without government? People. Privatized security and defense companies would exist. "That's like saying a Beetles album is just wax, or a Metallica album is just a CD, etc etc. You fail to recognize the value of the content beyond the mere delivery method." - It's a piece of paper in the idea that it's written by men, and changed by men. It's an opinion piece, it's not rooted in nature. People who say, "Well, that must be fine because the constitution permits it!!!" are philosophically inept. If you derive your morality from the constitution, you're doing it wrong. It's worth having first principles such as the non-aggression axiom. Not the opinions of others.

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TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	And imagine the scenario between two dueling private securities...in a land dispute between two land owners regarding property lines...who is going to regulate that in a government-less society?

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	It's been around forever. It used to be landlines. Then it changed to mobile to keep up with times. I think you get like 200 or 300 minutes and unlimited texting on the shittiest phone in the world. Not even MMS. My Nokia in 2001 was better.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The US government is talking about adding mobile data to the ''obama phone plan.'' This way it will be easier to log into the welfare agencies and EBT central. Will the be a new fee on your internet access? They say the internet is an ''essential'' communications path today ... reverse ecommerce ...