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Forkbeard · 11-16-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco68

A few days ago I contacted Paul with a private email searching solutions/suggestions to my situation (as private person and not company) and I have to admit he was very nice.

Yes, that's one of the reasons I was so disappointed in the email last week and then in Paul's followup here on GFY where he tried to insinuate that people concerned by the vague new requirements were somehow shady and undesirable as affiliates.

I've dealt positively with Paul in the past. His input helped get me paid last June on some money I was due in February. After seven emails, I came away convinced the program was honest but bureaucratic. I should have gotten my money without having to ask for it (much less argue for it) but there were plausible reasons offered for why that didn't happen. I was a satisfied affiliate at the end of the exchange.

But: that history makes me less charitable than I otherwise would be, when the company announces that it no longer intends to pay people automatically. Paying people without demand should be the default policy. If you change from that default policy, it needs a much better explanation than the vague and menacing affiliate email this thread is complaining about.

SpicyM · 11-16-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

My point is that you were talking out your ass when you tried to be all superior and suggest that he was doing something illegal unless he "registered". When in fact you had no fucking idea if that was true or not.

Really, hobbyist... The principle is the same, especially in EU. If you do legal business, you sure can issue invoices.

xXXtesy10 · 11-16-2015, 12:36 PM

fuck ddf

Marco68 · 11-16-2015, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

.............it needs a much better explanation

Yes, I think the same.

Receiving the email I was very disappointed too but I appreciate when there is the possibility to discuss and find a solution.

I promote many different sites and some of them don't know the words "SUPPORT - Get in touch with us". This is frustrating especially because money is often the bone of contention

The Porn Nerd · 11-16-2015, 01:59 PM

I have no comment on what's going on here other than to say that Mr. Forkbeard is one damn articulate, intelligent, reasonable, clear-minded and patient affiliate and ANY Program would be honored to have him promote their shit.

Excellent posts Forkbeard!

jscott · 11-16-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by anexsia

lol what the fuck?!

exactly!

ddfcash · 11-17-2015, 02:05 AM

Thanks to everyone who actually get's this, and understands that were not trying to kill our program and just get with the times. Our plan is to make this as seamless as possible for affiliates, not make it more difficult to get payed out. That's not our intention. We've been in the online business for 15 years, and in the industry for over 30 years, were not in the practice of destroying our hard work.

Forkbeard, you have alot of time on your hands, lucky you. I wont respond to all your comments, I have no personal battle with you. I have no idea who you are nor will I assume anything about your character, I will tell you I'm not Dutch, I'm American, born and raised in New York, served in the Military and defended our land in the good ole US of A...so your words are simply laughable to me.

Could our initial message have been more clear, Yes, and once I get more info in from our accounting team, I will provide all pertinent data to affiliates who wish to continue promoting us. I tend to not waste my time on these forums because those who get it and are working hard don't start senseless verbal battles here. Too much work to get done for that. So write whatever you wish, but know that i'm not going to read it. Any serious questions or concerns can be directed to my Email.....yes email not snail mail. Cheers all. Have a nice week ahead and may your business prosper in the New year.

McSpike · 11-17-2015, 02:33 AM

I have been issuing invoices for a decade and nobody ever wanted them. I just filed them and that was it. THAT is considered normal. I never understood how that fuck can you even do business without having an invoice from the party you are paying for services provided to you. Nonetheless US companies (or were they offshore?) simply paid and cared less. Some asked for WBEN form. Ok. I provided. So DDF asking for an invoice is just how business should be run. The only difference is that they provide a darn sort of form to upload the invoice so we can send it over.

jscott · 11-17-2015, 02:35 AM

Most long time affiliates have 100's or 1000's of sponsors they promote. I actively promote probably 200, hows that for wasted time, spending all day for few days just sending out invoices. Imagine that! Sounds terrible.

BigFurry · 11-17-2015, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by McSpike

I have been issuing invoices for a decade and nobody ever wanted them. I just filed them and that was it. THAT is considered normal. I never understood how that fuck can you even do business without having an invoice from the party you are paying for services provided to you. Nonetheless US companies (or were they offshore?) simply paid and cared less. Some asked for WBEN form. Ok. I provided. So DDF asking for an invoice is just how business should be run. The only difference is that they provide a darn sort of form to upload the invoice so we can send it over.

This.

You go to any European accountant and they'll be shocked that companies in online adult don't want invoices and sometimes won't even tell you their business details.

Paperwork & invoices are obviously horrible and time-consuming, but it's required for those who want to run their business legally.

nyllover · 11-17-2015, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

You go to any European accountant and they'll be shocked that companies in online adult don't want invoices and sometimes won't even tell you their business details.

Exactly what i wanted to add to all this. DDF is just following the law, that's all.

NewNick · 11-17-2015, 03:26 AM

What a gang of amateurs you lot are.

Raise an invoice. Simples.

Its a document you create in Word or Excell.

It has your Name / Company name and address on it, the name and address of the program or company you want to be paid from, the amount you wish to be paid, and usually some payment details.

Then you email it.

You save yourself a copy and then your records are then in order for your own tax regulator.

Nothing could be simpler.

I find it absolutely bizarre that a company putting its house in order is somehow called SHADY.

The only shady fuckers in this thread are the ones that are wittering about pulling links.

Un-fucking real.

_Richard_ · 11-17-2015, 04:10 AM

i believe this is needed for VAT reasons, i have a few affiliates that require us to issue invoices with affiliate payouts

we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing as tax law catches up with the internet

DDF is good people

robwod · 11-17-2015, 04:44 AM

Without looking closely, I'd venture to guess that 90% of our European clients require invoices for payouts, though none of the affiliate programs do so).

Jscott: if you use an accounting program, you can likely set a threshold for payment and auto generate an invoice. Even a tool like Excel can do it if you like.

The nice thing about this sort of process is that you always know who has paid, and when they have paid. And right down to the penny and the exact date.

Forkbeard · 11-17-2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I have no comment on what's going on here other than to say that Mr. Forkbeard is one damn articulate, intelligent, reasonable, clear-minded and patient affiliate and ANY Program would be honored to have him promote their shit.

Excellent posts Forkbeard!

Why thank you! It seems to have fallen on willfully deaf ears, though. Oh well...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MrVids · 11-17-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott

Most long time affiliates have 100's or 1000's of sponsors they promote. I actively promote probably 200, hows that for wasted time, spending all day for few days just sending out invoices. Imagine that! Sounds terrible.

Exactly.

Not only that, but I also manage the members area for 2 notable paysite programs. They've both asked that I removed DDF from rotation.

For most, a single affiliate program accounts for little of your overall revenues be it a members area promotion or if you have a large network of sites.

We are removing them from our network as well as the 2 members areas, much as we did with Hegre. Both companies are seasoned enough to know that with this move some attrition is expected, I'm sure they'll make it up by keeping checks from honest affiliates who don't regularly monitor all the programs they push.

The Porn Nerd · 11-17-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Why thank you! It seems to have fallen on willfully deaf ears, though. Oh well...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're welcome (and thanks for signing up to my Program). The problem here is with Europeans and their arrogance. I see it all the time, it's quite passive-aggressive.

The tax laws are quite different between the EU and the US. Requiring Invoices is not a problem per se but it's HOW the company requires it is the issue I think. Want an invoice? OK - make it easy for me, have a template ready, or just require an email with the Invoice sent. It's not a huge issue - BUT the arrogance and nastiness coming from Europeans regarding this issue has to stop.

Hey DDF (and all other European Programs): want US/Canada/UK traffic and sales? These are the highest-converting countries with the best traffic and sales that everyone wants most, right? Then try NOT to be arrogant DICKS about your new VAT requirements and we may just play along. But if not guess what??? We will survive just fine by not promoting your shit.

But I'm sure Euro companies will be happy with Hungarian, Romanian and Chinese traffic only eh?

xXXtesy10 · 11-17-2015, 11:39 AM

DDF can eat shit, links pulled.

Roald · 11-17-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

You're welcome (and thanks for signing up to my Program). The problem here is with Europeans and their arrogance. I see it all the time, it's quite passive-aggressive.

The tax laws are quite different between the EU and the US. Requiring Invoices is not a problem per se but it's HOW the company requires it is the issue I think. Want an invoice? OK - make it easy for me, have a template ready, or just require an email with the Invoice sent. It's not a huge issue - BUT the arrogance and nastiness coming from Europeans regarding this issue has to stop.

Hey DDF (and all other European Programs): want US/Canada/UK traffic and sales? These are the highest-converting countries with the best traffic and sales that everyone wants most, right? Then try NOT to be arrogant DICKS about your new VAT requirements and we may just play along. But if not guess what??? We will survive just fine by not promoting your shit.

But I'm sure Euro companies will be happy with Hungarian, Romanian and Chinese traffic only eh?

I was expecting a bit more from you but ok

The Porn Nerd · 11-17-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

I was expecting a bit more from you but ok

Don't take it personally man. I love a lot of Europeans! But when it comes to requirements and details and regulations you guys take the cake. VAT, Invoices, accounting issues....the EU sucks balls when it comes to these things. ALL can be dealt with, as I said, but when the arrogance of "do what we say or fuck you we don't need (or want) you anyway" comes our way we non-Europeans take offense.

I would expect you to see that side of things Roald but ok.

faxxaff · 11-17-2015, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i believe this is needed for VAT reasons, i have a few affiliates that require us to issue invoices with affiliate payouts

we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing as tax law catches up with the internet

DDF is good people

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

onwebcam · 11-17-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

Because he's American running a company in a tax haven? So much for compliance..

EliteWebmaster · 11-17-2015, 04:48 PM

I wonder why they wouldn't just pay without you having to invoice them. Seems like an unnecessary extra step that takes up time for the affiliate but also for them to have to open and read the invoice. Unless the purpose is counting on affiliates to forget to invoice them...

NewNick · 11-18-2015, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Because he's American running a company in a tax haven? So much for compliance..

Holland is a tax haven ??

_Richard_ · 11-18-2015, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

i believe only the issuer is required to list a VAT number, however in my experience both VAT numbers are listed

onwebcam · 11-18-2015, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Holland is a tax haven ??

The Netherlands are known internationally, since at least the 1970s, as a tax haven. As of 2013, the country harbors holding companies for various multinationals, participates in more than a hundred bilateral tax treaties, and the various exemptions facilitate tax avoidance by corporations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpor...he_Netherlands

BigFurry · 11-18-2015, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Because he's American running a company in a tax haven? So much for compliance..

DDF is European, always been

babeterminal · 11-18-2015, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

And then we get to the invoicing:

I have a few fundamental rules that I follow when deciding which affiliate programs I trust enough to send traffic to. The single most important criterion I use is: "Does this program sound like it wants to pay me? Are they making every effort to sound reassuring about the idea that I will get my money no matter what?"

The email FAILS to meet that criterion. It fails hard enough to set off alarm bells, warning sirens, and bright red flashing lights. This does NOT sound like someone who is making "getting every affiliate paid on time every time without making them beg for it" a top priority.

1) The default rule for any program is that they must pay without demand. I promote hundreds of programs. Some of them pay me, on average, no more often than every two years or so. A blog post from five years ago generates a $13 sale that recurs for many months, it can take a long time to get to a $500 bank wire minimum. It shouldn't matter. I shouldn't have to worry. The program should pay me without demand when the minimum is reached. These are the irreducible basics of the affiliate/program relationships. If I have to notice that I've reached a payment minimum and make a payment demand, the company goes on my list as potentially shady and not to be trusted for future promotion. An affiliate-driven invoice process (with no payments until the affiliate sends an invoice) is unheard of in this business. Trust me, DDF Cash, you do not want to be the innovator in this space. If Euro accounting rules require an invoice, do what everybody else does: generate an invoice, display it in the affiliate interface, and send an email inviting the affiliate to "send it" by return email confirmation.

With respect, if the back end systems aren't in place to handle your new requirement, it's too soon to communicate those requirements to your affiliates. Meanwhile, the email says:

You're not ready.

2) The email also says:

Unless you have some fancy new technology that lets me send an email to a physical street address, this strongly implies that you want paper invoices sent by actual postal mail. Which you are demanding, on November 13, for payments due as soon as December 1. Once again, that's going to be an impossibility for overseas affiliates, which creates the strong impression that you aren't really concerned about getting affiliates paid on time, every time. (It doesn't affect me; you only owe me like $13 at the moment. But it sure doesn't give me a warm fuzzy about earning another $500 with you. Because you really aren't sounding like you are 100% committed to paying me out when that happy day comes.

Paul writes in this thread:

That's not "clearer", it directly contradicts the email you sent.

Have you really been running an affiliate program for all these years without understanding that it's your obligation to pay affiliates without making them demand payment first? I want to get paid out when I reach the minimum in NATS, that why I didn't set a higher minimum. It's shady programs that don't pay up until the affiliate writes and demands payment. If you're not a shady program, you don't want to look or sound like a shady program. This makes you look and sound like a shady program. And whether you are "looking to keep" anyone's payments or not, you damned well know and understand that there will be affiliates who never invoice you. You will pocket that money. You are not among the angels here.

That's genuinely offensive. If you truly are looking at new financial compliance requirements, how hard would it have been to drop a specific sentence about what the requirements are? If you did that, it would give you a believable excuse for walking away from your obligation to pay without demand. But you didn't do that.

Nobody wants to drop you for "being compliant". If anybody drops you it's going to be because you sent a LOUD signal that paying your affiliates is not a top priority.

You could have said:

But you didn't say that. You sent a bunch of word salad that boils down to "Fuck you, we're not paying you any more unless you guess which documents we want, guess where and how we want to receive them, and start generating invoices whenever you want to get paid."

Then you responded to criticism about that by going "you should have emailed with your questions." Not "Oh my god, you're right, that email was a confusing disaster, we are so sorry, we're furiously working on that now, please look for another email tomorrow that will clear everything up."

It makes you look bad. It makes you look VERY bad. Because it makes you look less than committed to getting affiliates paid on time, every time, without demand. It makes you look like you really aren't concerned about doing that.

If you want to get all huffy, call this "ridiculous" and insinuate that anybody with a problem with it is against "being compliant", well, that's your right. But it just makes you look worse and confirms the initial bad impression.

If you want affiliates, they need to trust you to pay them. Appearances matter. The way you communicate your requirements? It it matters. The impression you give, the amount of zealousness you display, about making sure affiliates get paid? It all matters. And you have screwed this up, big time. You screwed it up in the email and you screwed it up worse by coming here and sneering at the affiliates who complained about your first screwup.

Free business advice, take it or leave it. I promise I won't be invoicing you for it. There's still plenty of time to fix the damage you've done, but not without losing the bad attitude first.

this is so well put ............. well done

Ferus · 11-18-2015, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

It would have been "clear" if they said they needed an invoice "via email to [email protected]" or said "the invoice should show the following billing address". In the email they actually wrote, they said "we need an invoice" and then provided a physical address for it.

Any invoice within the EU HAVE to (especially when payments are crossing national borders) contain the billing address, name and Tax#.

It might be rocket science for you, but its how bussiness is done in Europe

Deal with or go talk to WeHatePorn and make up some more fucked up conspiracy theories.

DDF are doing it to make sure they are compliant.

WHEN you have made the invoice (HTML or PDF is a standard) you may send it through email to them.

How the fuck can that be so hard to understand?

NewNick · 11-18-2015, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

The Netherlands are known internationally, since at least the 1970s, as a tax haven. As of 2013, the country harbors holding companies for various multinationals, participates in more than a hundred bilateral tax treaties, and the various exemptions facilitate tax avoidance by corporations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpor...he_Netherlands

You clearly dont understand the reasoning behind the address.

Denny · 11-18-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

PornDiscounts-V · 11-18-2015, 10:59 AM

Seems to me their program could generate one and put it into your payments area. If you click pay me, you get paid. If you don't, it gets rolled over into a new one and the last one is canceled.

Socks · 11-18-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

And then we get to the invoicing:

I'm sure Paul will take the time to answer each one of your 1,843 points in due time.

Just wait here, he's typing it out. It'll be ready before 2025.

Socks · 11-18-2015, 11:08 AM

Paul, just one thought.

It costs ~$250 to start a US LLC in Delaware with a registered agent.

You could then transfer money to your US bank account, and pay all your North American affiliates from there, without missing a beat or losing any affiliates, and completely complying with all tax laws.

You'd need to file US taxes, however since it's a money in money out type of thing, there would be no taxes owed.

Maybe one possible answer to this.

pornmasta · 11-18-2015, 11:30 AM

gamesrevenue seems to ask the same thing.
Sure i can send an invoice, but with what kind of informations ?
They know better the nature of the transactions than me.
Why don't they have a page to print an invoice and a postal mail to send it ??

That's a waste of time.

BigFurry · 11-18-2015, 11:50 AM

Normally under EU law it is the supplier who has to create the invoice.

The supplier is you, the affiliate, who promotes the program's sites for money.
The customer is the affiliate program who pays you for this.

I looked around a bit and found a possible solution. It is called SELF-BILLING INVOICES.
Basically the supplier gives formal permission to the customer to create invoices on their behalf.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements
It's also mentioned here: VAT invoicing rules - European Commission
Hilton uses this setup for paying travel agencies apparently: Self-Billing Agreement for UK Travel Agencies - Hilton

This might be a lawful option for the affiliate programs the generate invoices on the affiliates' behalf. Maybe some programs do this already, but I haven't come across one. (They would have to ask for affiliates' permission to create invoices on their behalf.)

Also have to check the country-specific laws before setting up such a system, the detailed link above is only for the UK.

Programs providing self-billing invoices would be really great for us EU affiliates who operate legally. Because we actually DID have to create invoices all this time. For ALL payouts.

xXXtesy10 · 11-18-2015, 11:52 AM

blow wads ddf

Forkbeard · 11-18-2015, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott

Most long time affiliates have 100's or 1000's of sponsors they promote. I actively promote probably 200, hows that for wasted time, spending all day for few days just sending out invoices. Imagine that! Sounds terrible.

Well, if it were genuinely required, it's not a problem. I could generate as many invoices as I need and deliver 'em electronically, if only the program in question hadn't appeared to demand a paper invoice delivered by boat. But the key word in that sentence is "need."

All the euro-bros jumping on this thread to sneer about how it's not that hard to make an invoice are completely missing the point. Obviously it's not that hard. I do it all the time for one-time advertising deals when companies ask nicely. But it clearly isn't an absolute requirement of EU tax law, given as how nobody else that deals with US affiliates is doing it. Notice how nobody from Europe talking shit in this thread has managed to cite or link to a single web resource advising that this is actually an insurmountable requirement for paying an affiliate from Europe. They just sneer and pose and act all superior.

NewNick · 11-19-2015, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

But it clearly isn't an absolute requirement of EU tax law,

Yes it is, and you will see more companies putting their house in order.

_Richard_ · 11-19-2015, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Yes it is, and you will see more companies putting their house in order.

i am slightly concerned on how the americans are going to handle this, and what they will require

NewNick · 11-19-2015, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i am slightly concerned on how the americans are going to handle this, and what they will require

Well if this thread is anything to go by you are going to witness a massive bout of pathetic hissy fits.

BigFurry · 11-19-2015, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

Btw I just noticed that they actually give you the VAT number in the NATS news article. I guess it was just missing from the email.

They also say there that they want digital invoices, so now it's clear that you don't have to deliver them by boat

Forkbeard · 11-19-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

Now would be a good time to mention that the word "VAT" does not appear in DDF Cash's all-affiliates email nor in either of Paul's two butt-hurt posts to this thread. Everything that has been said in this thread about VAT is speculation.

Paul had an opportunity to confirm all the VAT speculation in this thread; instead he pouted and said he wouldn't be answering that question, or shedding any public light on the mysterious "documents in hand" that DDF is demanding by December 15, either.

So all you Euro-bros bleating about how civilized European people all invoice each other because of VAT? It's just empty noise until we hear more from DDF Cash, which Paul has said we will not.

pornmasta · 11-19-2015, 04:19 PM

(btw since people asked me my VAT number: i have a small business status and i'm not subject to VAT.)

xXXtesy10 · 11-19-2015, 06:02 PM

ddf suck a mean dick

Forkbeard · 11-23-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

Unless the purpose is counting on affiliates to forget to invoice them...

Ding ding ding ding ding! We may have a winner!

Remember, even if that isn't the motive behind these changes, it will surely be the effect. Unless DDF Cash acknowledges that fact and enumerates the steps they plan to take to ensure they don't just "inherit" a bunch of affiliate money, they deserve to be seen as wrongfully taking affiliate funds.

Matyko · 11-18-2016, 07:25 AM

I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp

Matyko · 11-21-2016, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp

Important Update: it is NOT DDFCash.com/DDFNetwork.com who is sending out the (fake) DMCAs, it seems Jordan Pryce and her fuckbuddy are doing this crazy retarded show and causing trouble to lots of producers and companies.

GLMBV · 11-21-2016, 04:23 AM

wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one..
If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

beavr · 11-21-2016, 04:27 AM

That's a legal way to run a business in EU. Why complain?

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11-16-2015, 01:59 PM	#55
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,503	I have no comment on what's going on here other than to say that Mr. Forkbeard is one damn articulate, intelligent, reasonable, clear-minded and patient affiliate and ANY Program would be honored to have him promote their shit. Excellent posts Forkbeard! __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

11-17-2015, 02:05 AM	#57
ddfcash Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 21	Thanks to everyone who actually get's this, and understands that were not trying to kill our program and just get with the times. Our plan is to make this as seamless as possible for affiliates, not make it more difficult to get payed out. That's not our intention. We've been in the online business for 15 years, and in the industry for over 30 years, were not in the practice of destroying our hard work. Forkbeard, you have alot of time on your hands, lucky you. I wont respond to all your comments, I have no personal battle with you. I have no idea who you are nor will I assume anything about your character, I will tell you I'm not Dutch, I'm American, born and raised in New York, served in the Military and defended our land in the good ole US of A...so your words are simply laughable to me. Could our initial message have been more clear, Yes, and once I get more info in from our accounting team, I will provide all pertinent data to affiliates who wish to continue promoting us. I tend to not waste my time on these forums because those who get it and are working hard don't start senseless verbal battles here. Too much work to get done for that. So write whatever you wish, but know that i'm not going to read it. Any serious questions or concerns can be directed to my Email.....yes email not snail mail. Cheers all. Have a nice week ahead and may your business prosper in the New year. __________________ Paul Marketing Director email : [email protected] Skype: marketing.ddf http://ddfcash.com

11-17-2015, 03:26 AM	#62
NewNick Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,033	What a gang of amateurs you lot are. Raise an invoice. Simples. Its a document you create in Word or Excell. It has your Name / Company name and address on it, the name and address of the program or company you want to be paid from, the amount you wish to be paid, and usually some payment details. Then you email it. You save yourself a copy and then your records are then in order for your own tax regulator. Nothing could be simpler. I find it absolutely bizarre that a company putting its house in order is somehow called SHADY. The only shady fuckers in this thread are the ones that are wittering about pulling links. Un-fucking real. __________________ "Americas Hitler" JD Vance. “There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” Tucker Carlson. “a convicted felon rapist is now your president” OneHungLow, gfy.com

11-17-2015, 04:44 AM	#64
robwod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,539	Without looking closely, I'd venture to guess that 90% of our European clients require invoices for payouts, though none of the affiliate programs do so). Jscott: if you use an accounting program, you can likely set a threshold for payment and auto generate an invoice. Even a tool like Excel can do it if you like. The nice thing about this sort of process is that you always know who has paid, and when they have paid. And right down to the penny and the exact date. __________________ NSFW

11-17-2015, 02:33 AM	#58
McSpike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,042	I have been issuing invoices for a decade and nobody ever wanted them. I just filed them and that was it. THAT is considered normal. I never understood how that fuck can you even do business without having an invoice from the party you are paying for services provided to you. Nonetheless US companies (or were they offshore?) simply paid and cared less. Some asked for WBEN form. Ok. I provided. So DDF asking for an invoice is just how business should be run. The only difference is that they provide a darn sort of form to upload the invoice so we can send it over.

11-17-2015, 02:35 AM	#59
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	Most long time affiliates have 100's or 1000's of sponsors they promote. I actively promote probably 200, hows that for wasted time, spending all day for few days just sending out invoices. Imagine that! Sounds terrible.

11-17-2015, 04:10 AM	#63
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,986	i believe this is needed for VAT reasons, i have a few affiliates that require us to issue invoices with affiliate payouts we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing as tax law catches up with the internet DDF is good people

11-17-2015, 11:39 AM	#68
xXXtesy10 Fakecoin Investor Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Delhi, IN Posts: 7,128	DDF can eat shit, links pulled. __________________ WARNING: Stay Away From Marlboroack aka aka Brandon Ackerman https://gfy.com/21169705-post8.html Donny Long is Felon, Stalker, Scammer & Coward http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...lon-int-761244

11-17-2015, 04:48 PM	#73
EliteWebmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,975	I wonder why they wouldn't just pay without you having to invoice them. Seems like an unnecessary extra step that takes up time for the affiliate but also for them to have to open and read the invoice. Unless the purpose is counting on affiliates to forget to invoice them...

11-18-2015, 10:59 AM	#82
PornDiscounts-V Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,740	Seems to me their program could generate one and put it into your payments area. If you click pay me, you get paid. If you don't, it gets rolled over into a new one and the last one is canceled. __________________ Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

11-18-2015, 11:08 AM	#84
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,478	Paul, just one thought. It costs ~$250 to start a US LLC in Delaware with a registered agent. You could then transfer money to your US bank account, and pay all your North American affiliates from there, without missing a beat or losing any affiliates, and completely complying with all tax laws. You'd need to file US taxes, however since it's a money in money out type of thing, there would be no taxes owed. Maybe one possible answer to this.

11-18-2015, 11:30 AM	#85
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,959	gamesrevenue seems to ask the same thing. Sure i can send an invoice, but with what kind of informations ? They know better the nature of the transactions than me. Why don't they have a page to print an invoice and a postal mail to send it ?? That's a waste of time.

11-18-2015, 11:50 AM	#86
BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,554	Normally under EU law it is the supplier who has to create the invoice. The supplier is you, the affiliate, who promotes the program's sites for money. The customer is the affiliate program who pays you for this. I looked around a bit and found a possible solution. It is called SELF-BILLING INVOICES. Basically the supplier gives formal permission to the customer to create invoices on their behalf. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements It's also mentioned here: VAT invoicing rules - European Commission Hilton uses this setup for paying travel agencies apparently: Self-Billing Agreement for UK Travel Agencies - Hilton This might be a lawful option for the affiliate programs the generate invoices on the affiliates' behalf. Maybe some programs do this already, but I haven't come across one. (They would have to ask for affiliates' permission to create invoices on their behalf.) Also have to check the country-specific laws before setting up such a system, the detailed link above is only for the UK. Programs providing self-billing invoices would be really great for us EU affiliates who operate legally. Because we actually DID have to create invoices all this time. For ALL payouts.

11-18-2015, 11:52 AM	#87
xXXtesy10 Fakecoin Investor Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Delhi, IN Posts: 7,128	blow wads ddf __________________ WARNING: Stay Away From Marlboroack aka aka Brandon Ackerman https://gfy.com/21169705-post8.html Donny Long is Felon, Stalker, Scammer & Coward http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...lon-int-761244

11-19-2015, 04:19 PM	#94
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,959	(btw since people asked me my VAT number: i have a small business status and i'm not subject to VAT.)

11-19-2015, 06:02 PM	#95
xXXtesy10 Fakecoin Investor Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Delhi, IN Posts: 7,128	ddf suck a mean dick __________________ WARNING: Stay Away From Marlboroack aka aka Brandon Ackerman https://gfy.com/21169705-post8.html Donny Long is Felon, Stalker, Scammer & Coward http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...lon-int-761244

11-18-2016, 07:25 AM	#97
Matyko PsyHead Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 8,664	I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp __________________ -=- Register with our ref link and we help you with the setup! -=- AdSpyglass.com - Double your profit from brokers

11-21-2016, 04:23 AM	#99
GLMBV Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 750	wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one.. If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

11-21-2016, 04:27 AM	#100
beavr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 563	That's a legal way to run a business in EU. Why complain?