Dutch Parliament Member: We Must Close All Mosques & Ban Islam

[wehateporn]

The Netherlands have had the voice of Geert Wilders speaking out against the Islamization of the Dutch country for years. Another member of Geert Wilders?s Party for Freedom (Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV), Machiel de Graaf, spoke out and saying, "We must close all mosques and start deporting Muslims.?

"Without Islam, the Netherlands would be a wonderful country," Graaf began. "I have heard very few speakers yet on this subject, although everyone is of course concerned with their own issues during the budget."

Graff provided some vital statisitcs on how the Netherlands is paying for its own destruction by bringing in the followers of Muhammad.

?Without Islam, the Netherlands would not be losing $7.2 billion [Euros] per year on mass immigration,? he said.

"Without Islam there would not be any mosques in the Netherlands and people would not be confronted every day by Islamic headscarves and djellabas, ?hate beards? and minarets," he continued. "A country without all the symbols of Islamic domination ? wonderful!
What a country the Netherlands would be without Islam. We wouldn?t have to deal with the policy of population replacement, nor with the policy of Islamic colonisation, nor with the settlement policy in more and more districts in large and small cities.

Continued Dutch Parliament Member: We Must Close All Mosques & Ban Islam - Freedom Outpost

[The Porn Nerd]

I am in 100% agreement.

I just spent 6 weeks in The Netherlands (and loved it) but all those Turks and Muslims and Arabs everywhere....man, they all looked like terrorists to me.

Get them the fuck OUTTA there please and maybe I (along with my $$$) will come back.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I am in 100% agreement.

I just spent 6 weeks in The Netherlands (and loved it) but all those Turks and Muslims and Arabs everywhere....man, they all looked like terrorists to me.

Get them the fuck OUTTA there please and maybe I (along with my $$$) will come back.

6 weeks is pretty long... mainly business or mainly vacation? What did you do/see/eat/smoke/fuck?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

6 weeks is pretty long... mainly business or mainly vacation? What did you do/see/eat/smoke/fuck?

Went there for the Webmaster Access show and decided to stay. LOL I did the AirBnB thing and rented a flat for six weeks. The first couple of weeks it was all coffeeshops and the Red Light. But then I did some work while I was there, too. Fell in love with a few hot Euro girls (Hungarian, Polish, Italian). But Amsterdam is super expensive and it was cold, wet and rainy most days. Still, a charming place.

Food: Mostly burgers, frites and pizza with a lot of sushi and Thai food thrown in. Yum! Amsterdam, Holland and The Netherlands really are very special, wonderful places.

[EddyTheDog]

I'm not sure how the Muslims would take it - Talk about making yourself a target!..

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

...Food: Mostly burgers, frites and pizza with a lot of sushi and Thai food thrown in. Yum! Amsterdam, Holland and The Netherlands really are very special, wonderful places.

The best food there is Indonesian - Indonesia was Dutch back in the colonial days...

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The best food there is Indonesian - Indonesia was Dutch back in the colonial days...

Had some of that - yum!! Overall I found the food in Europe (Berlin, Prague, Amsterdam) to be better than in the US.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I am in 100% agreement.

I just spent 6 weeks in The Netherlands (and loved it) but all those Turks and Muslims and Arabs everywhere....man, they all looked like terrorists to me.

Get them the fuck OUTTA there please and maybe I (along with my $$$) will come back.

All those middle easterns in holland, have most of it happened in last 20 years ?

I know there was immigration before that but not in those quantities...

[oppoten]

I'm suspicious of any "nationalist" who claims that Muslims are the root cause of the problem. Muslims didn't create the immigration laws, and those who did surely knew what was coming.

From the outside, Geert Wilders reminds me of Breivik. Doesn't seem to represent anyone but himself, and I'm surprised that he has allies. Maybe Breivik should have been a politician....

[DraX]

Originally Posted by oppoten

I'm suspicious of any "nationalist" who claims that Muslims are the root cause of the problem. Muslims didn't create the immigration laws, and those who did surely knew what was coming.

From the outside, Geert Wilders reminds me of Breivik. Doesn't seem to represent anyone but himself, and I'm surprised that he has allies. Maybe Breivik should have been a politician....

I don't like Geert Wilders cause sometimes what comes out of his mouth makes him a complete nutjob.

Mosques

But I do agree mosques in europe should never have been allowed to spread like this.

If muslims really want to come to europe they can pray in their homes, and many do.

1st, mosques is a place of radicalization and seeds the muslim way of living and 2nd priority of a state is to make sure the citizens are safe and protected. Obviously they failed all this and as you know I think the european leaders are roaches but that's another story.

Ban Islam

Is it necessary?

What about a specific Turk living in germany working as a police and speaking the german language fluently and always done the right thing. But he is a muslim.

What about him?

Is it then not better to kick out everyone who immigrated to germany sometime in the past and at the same time have not abide to german law.

And if someone's kids or teens have done something really awful like raping or murdering someone else, kick the whole family back to their country.

I believe in much much stronger european laws. But banning islam....no

Discuss..

[Roald]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I'm not sure how the Muslims would take it - Talk about making yourself a target!..

They are doing it for years already and are costing the country a ton in personal protection.

In general i'd say that PVV voters are the more simple minded people. Unfortunately we have a lot of them as everywhere.

[just a punk]

It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.

in 1572, Frfance, 30,000 at once (kids, women et all, like a whole city):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Ba...s_Day_massacre

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

in 1572, Frfance, 30,000 at once (kids, women et all, like a whole city):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Ba...s_Day_massacre

Exactly. Plus all those Crusades - just read how many wars were started by Christians in a name of Jewish God and how many people were killed.

[ctggls]

It's funny because, as it is revealed in the press, a lot if terrorists didn't even bother to read the Quran and are not even that religious....

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Roald

They are doing it for years already and are costing the country a ton in personal protection.

In general i'd say that PVV voters are the more simple minded people. Unfortunately we have a lot of them as everywhere.

Many people vote for PVV in protest. You know things will be shaken up in the sleepy corrupt government if they will be the biggest party, the other parties will hate it. You can be sure that at least something will happen. If the parties ruling our country for the last decades keep on ruling, you know nothing will change. And look where that brought us.

Many people who have been brainwashed by our ultra left media are very negative about PVV and its voters. I ask to those people, who are you gonna vote for? The rest can't do anything about the current affairs except PVV.

Who do you vote for? Do you agree on everything that party says?

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The best food there is Indonesian - Indonesia was Dutch back in the colonial days...

Spent 10 days in Indonesia this year (not in Jakarta, nor Bali). I guess I was eating at the wrong places. Food was ok, but nothing special. Not in the class of Thailand, Japan or Hong Kong.

Amsterdam used to be great all around. Good beers and fries with mayo. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. And they always had 'em. Biking along the canals. A shame what's happened.

Immigration without assimilation is invasion.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Exactly. Plus all those Crusades - just read how many wars were started by Christians in a name of Jewish God and how many people were killed.

Ya because muhammad didnt go around killing, raping and pillaging. This "crusades" argument is fucking idiotic. Like its ok for muslims to kill today because of it?

Christians are idiots also. But how does one mute the other? Use your brain.

[JJ Gold]

Muslims lack intelligence. They bring nothing to modern society.

Stone age people should at least have the common decency to stay in their stone age countries.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Muslims lack intelligence. They bring nothing to modern society.

Stone age people should at least have the common decency to stay in their stone age countries.

You don't even imagine haw much the Muslim scientists have brought to our society (math, chemistry, astronomy, medicine etc) before they were invaded and plunged into the Stone Age by Crusaders. The history sources say that a water was black of paint from the books which were thrown into rivers by the Christian barbarians.

Some reading for you:

The greatest scientific advances from the Muslim world | Science | The Guardian

15 Famous Muslim (Arab & Persian) Scientists and their Inventions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc..._Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Islamic_world

Science Islam - Muslims Contribution To Science

http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam...hers_notes.pdf

etc...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You don't even imagine haw much the Muslim scientists have brought to our society (math, chemistry, astronomy, medicine etc) before they were invaded and plunged into the Stone Age by Crusaders. The history sources say that a water was black of paint from the books which were dropped into rivers by the Christian barbarians.

Some reading for you:

The greatest scientific advances from the Muslim world | Science | The Guardian

15 Famous Muslim (Arab & Persian) Scientists and their Inventions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc..._Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Islamic_world

Science Islam - Muslims Contribution To Science

http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam...hers_notes.pdf

etc...

"Dutch Parliament Member: We Must Close All Mosques & Ban Islam"

Read the fucking thread title clown. This isn't a history lesson thread.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.

do you have proof of that?

I mean, as you say, people have very short memories ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_massacre

and that's just the beginning of the 20th century. go back and forwards and you'll find many more examples of mass murder in the name of Islam. Can you honestly say that the Christians have killed a thousand times more?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by DraX

All those middle easterns in holland, have most of it happened in last 20 years ?

I know there was immigration before that but not in those quantities...

Because Amsterdam is such a tourist place, and because it's so easy to get to from all over Europe, there has always been Arabs, Turks, etc. But when I was there I saw a lot of Afghanis, Armenians, Egyptians, etc. I asked a Turkish cab driver if there were more now because of Syria then there has always been and he said, "They are coming."

The #1 problem I have is this: WHY go to a place like Amsterdam when it is everything you say you hate about the West? It's like super religious people hanging out in Las Vegas. LOL

Originally Posted by MetaMan

"Dutch Parliament Member: We Must Close All Mosques & Ban Islam"

Read the fucking thread title clown. This isn't a history lesson thread.

CyberSEO ruins every thread he comments in.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Went there for the Webmaster Access show and decided to stay. LOL I did the AirBnB thing and rented a flat for six weeks. The first couple of weeks it was all coffeeshops and the Red Light. But then I did some work while I was there, too. Fell in love with a few hot Euro girls (Hungarian, Polish, Italian). But Amsterdam is super expensive and it was cold, wet and rainy most days. Still, a charming place.

Food: Mostly burgers, frites and pizza with a lot of sushi and Thai food thrown in. Yum! Amsterdam, Holland and The Netherlands really are very special, wonderful places.

Nice nice... good to hear you had a good time...

[Sly]

Since the Crusades were brought up then we have started this wonderful history lesson, why stop at the Crusades? Let's go back even further!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

It's ridiculous to talk about what happened 2000 years ago, 1500 years ago, 1000 years ago even 200 years ago. None of that matters now because today is today. What happened, happened. This is not a tit for tat situation. Who the fuck cares. There is a radical element, regardless of what religion it is, that needs to be halted. How? Nobody has a clue because everyone is far too busy arguing over whether or not it's politically correct to talk about what issues may or may not exist.

Just the other day the Paris Grand Mosque Chairman came out and said hard, military action needs to be taken against ISIS. This was nice to hear. What was not nice to hear was what else he said, in bold:

It is "very important [for] French Muslim people to express their French nationality, their French taste, their French values, their French [rejection] of what is the danger for them, France, and for our religion also."

"Where are the massive marches," Amanpour asked, "by the Muslim community around the world? Just get out there and tell these Muslims, these radicals, these extremists, the people you're talking about, 'No!'"

"It is the true question," he said in English.

"But each time I talk here in the Grand Mosque of Paris they say to me, 'Sir you do not represent the Muslims, the young who think differently.' And I say yes, because I don't think like them. The people who think like me are discreet, people don't listen to us, and apart from you," he told Amanpour, "the media don't pay us any attention."

Paris Grand Mosque chairman backs fight against ISIS - CNN.com

In his own mosque he is being told that he doesn't represent Muslims because he is not radical enough. This is a problem for everyone. It doesn't matter what the Christians did, it doesn't matter what the Muslims did, it doesn't matter what Russia did, United States, Iran. None of that matters. What matters is we identify that there is a problem: mostly young radical Muslims that need guidance. They are getting their guidance from ISIS fruitcakes that are feeding them drugs to keep them high so they can control them and kicking them cash from oil.

Okay, carry-on, back to work for me. You guys have fun arguing over whether or not there is a problem and who's fault it is!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

Since the Crusades were brought up then we have started this wonderful history lesson, why stop at the Crusades? Let's go back even further!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

It's ridiculous to talk about what happened 2000 years ago, 1500 years ago, 1000 years ago even 200 years ago. None of that matters now because today is today. What happened, happened. This is not a tit for tat situation. Who the fuck cares. There is a radical element, regardless of what religion it is, that needs to be halted. How? Nobody has a clue because everyone is far too busy arguing over whether or not it's politically correct to talk about what issues may or may not exist.

Just the other day the Paris Grand Mosque Chairman came out and said hard, military action needs to be taken against ISIS. This was nice to hear. What was not nice to hear was what else he said, in bold:


Paris Grand Mosque chairman backs fight against ISIS - CNN.com

In his own mosque he is being told that he doesn't represent Muslims because he is not radical enough. This is a problem for everyone. It doesn't matter what the Christians did, it doesn't matter what the Muslims did, it doesn't matter what Russia did, United States, Iran. None of that matters. What matters is we identify that there is a problem: mostly young radical Muslims that need guidance. They are getting their guidance from ISIS fruitcakes that are feeding them drugs to keep them high so they can control them and kicking them cash from oil.

Okay, carry-on, back to work for me. You guys have fun arguing over whether or not there is a problem and who's fault it is!

the same thing happens at the GOP presidential debate right now where those who scream the loudest get the most attention - and even here on GFY where people with a reasonable approach get attacked by the resident stormfront brigade.

seems to be in fashion being an extremist and make reasonable people either too afraid or too frustrated to keep stating their opinion

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.

Moron, Christians killed HUNDREDS (or whatever number which is NOT NOW) of years ago.
Why would you be afraid of something from hundreds of years (or whatever number which is not now) ago?
Meanwhile muslims are killing NOW.

When chirstians killed people WERE afraid of them.
When muslims kill people ARE afraid of them.

It is unbelievable that you need to explain such a super besic flaw in his "logic". Unbelievable...

Are you crusificio cloned nick? Because you both make similar basic logic mistakes.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Roald

They are doing it for years already and are costing the country a ton in personal protection.

In general i'd say that PVV voters are the more simple minded people. Unfortunately we have a lot of them as everywhere.

Are you Holand's MaDalton?
Whenever you post about this topic you sound like a happy for your country's invasion libtard, although you do not give up yourself explicitly, so just asking

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Exactly. Plus all those Crusades - just read how many wars were started by Christians in a name of Jewish God and how many people were killed.

Not even a drop a piss compared to the muslims

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

the same thing happens at the GOP presidential debate right now where those who scream the loudest get the most attention - and even here on GFY where people with a reasonable approach get attacked by the resident stormfront brigade.

seems to be in fashion being an extremist and make reasonable people either too afraid or too frustrated to keep stating their opinion

yes you fit your description of yourself perfectly. That is the exact reason you were calling everyone who didn't agree with you a racist.

What happened to the Nazis you thought attacked Paris? Head still up your own ass i see.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.

"Seems you have a very short memory" - Just how old are you?..

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

seems to be in fashion being an extremist and make reasonable people either too afraid or too frustrated to keep stating their opinion

I agree with you. Extremism is "in" mainly because those who engage in it have found it profitable.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

yes you fit your description of yourself perfectly. That is the exact reason you were calling everyone who didn't agree with you a racist.

What happened to the Nazis you thought attacked Paris? Head still up your own ass i see.

i waited what was being found out about the attackers before i judged, turned out all so far identified terrorists were homegrown and not refugees - opposed to your first knee jerk reaction.

but i don't expect any intelligent reply from you anyways so please keep screaming and insulting - you are the other extreme of what the guy said in Slys post. You, mineistaken and some other retards here.

Enjoy

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i waited what was being found out about the attackers before i judged, turned out all so far identified terrorists were homegrown and not refugees - opposed to your first knee jerk reaction.

but i don't expect any intelligent reply from you anyways so please keep screaming and insulting - you are the other extreme of what the guy said in Slys post. You, mineistaken and some other retards here.

Enjoy

"Screaming and insulting" and then you insult me in the same sentence. Isn't that sweet! Not to mention in all the other threads anyone who disagrees with you is suddenly a "racist" or "extreme".

Yep all those Nazis running around Paris.... good chance it was them.

You lack the brain power to understand opinions outside your own. But I don't blame you you are indoctrinated as a weak European.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Read the fucking thread title clown. This isn't a history lesson thread.

You are an idiot and everybody knows it. The thread title is about banning Islam and it has nothing to do with those Paris terrorists. At least one of them was arrested in Catalonia for DUI:



Now go show me at least a single real Muslim who is ok with an alcohol. So maybe they were not Muslims? Maybe Islam is not the problem? Maybe the problem is somewhere else? Go figure, moron.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He looks a little like Derek Jeter.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and even here on GFY where people with a reasonable approach get attacked by the resident stormfront brigade.

Surely you jest

[Scott McD]

I remember a while ago Geert Wilders was stopped at Heathrow airport London and sent back to Holland because of his "extreme" views which were not welcome here apparently.


Yet at the same time Britain was allowing (and still is) hate preachers on our streets declaring hate and war against the UK and USA with police escorts to guarantee their safety.

Incredible really...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You are an idiot and everybody knows it. The thread title is about banning Islam and it has nothing to do with those Paris terrorists. At least one of them was arrested in Catalonia for DUI:



Now go show me at least a single real Muslim who is ok with an alcohol. So maybe they were not Muslims? Maybe Islam is not the problem? Maybe the problem is somewhere else? Go figure, moron.

lol it's almost cute this little Russian bubble you in.

Breaking news Boris countless Muslims across the world, especially when visiting or living in western nations dive into every "sin" possible. Booze, drugs, prostitution etc. Just like the preachers who speak about family values then go and bang a hooker. Your point is mute.

Yes this thread is about ISLAM and you are rambling off about the crusades.

Geeze ni Boris... it can't be the fact people are using religion (Islam) to make naive youth feel a sense of belonging and thus convincing them through religion to horrible acts. Nope that's not what is going on here! (i was being sarcastic, you may have to look up the English definition)

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i waited what was being found out about the attackers before i judged, turned out all so far identified terrorists were homegrown and not refugees - opposed to your first knee jerk reaction.

but i don't expect any intelligent reply from you anyways so please keep screaming and insulting - you are the other extreme of what the guy said in Slys post. You, mineistaken and some other retards here.

Enjoy

You realize of course that that is actually worse? Islam is so strong it is making people turn on their own country.

Religion needs to be banned. Anyone feeling the need to dress up for religion should be looked at the same way as anyone who dresses as a harry potter character everyday.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

You realize of course that that is actually worse? Islam is so strong it is making people turn on their own country.

Religion needs to be banned. Anyone feeling the need to dress up for religion should be looked at the same way as anyone who dresses as a harry potter character everyday.

Muggle.

[adultmobile]

Ok let's forget centuries ago...
About non-religious fatalities, must give credit to a few nazi or communist dictator for quite some major genocides:

Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000 (+ Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000)
Mao Zedong - 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler - 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek - 10,214,000

However at the internet and facebook times, to do that massive genocides is no more so cool. Terrorism is more suited to modern times.





We got terrorists of various types, let's say separatists or so... but islamic ones are the most fit for growth, because supported by population, unlike genocides supported only by a political elite or dicrator:





In conclusion, none of this would seem possible in the absence of religious devotion to an allegedly all-powerful god.

[bronco67]

Falling into the trap ISIS is setting...

To divide the West and Muslims, thus creating new recruits for the coming war.

[LatinCams]

I saw this video and scare the shit out of me

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by LatinCams

I saw this video and scare the shit out of me

[YOUTUBE]

Well, Europe could welcome the Oriental Asians. Buddhists are not a conversionist religion by philosophical nature. The USA and Canada might consider doing the same.

China (PRC) recently reversed their one child policy with a negative growth and an ageing population being the reason given.

[sandman!]

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by LatinCams

I saw this video and scare the shit out of me

I am skeptical regarding the thesis of that video. It equates QUASI-BIOLOGICAL GROUPINGS LIKE RACE with CULTURE. These are not joined at the hip. Culture is fluid and there are more differences within a 'racial' group than among different groups.

But assuming the video's thesis survives that definitional challenge, there's a PRACTICAL problem as well.

The issue is POWER and CULTURE. ie., who holds the reins regarding the dominant culture.

You only need to look at places like Mexico and the Philippines where a tiny white minority or Chinese minority (in the case of SE Asia) control the levers of cultural self-definition. Ever seen a Telenovela and marveled at the number of blondes? How about the top corporations? Who runs them?

So EVEN IF we accept the dubious assumption that culture is encoded in genetics, even if a certain culture is reduced to a TINY FRACTION of its current numbers, it can still hang on to greater cultural relevance and power.

NUMERICAL REPRESENTATION has never been a BARRIER to effective HEGEMONY.

Otherwise, the 80/20 rule wouldn't exist.

Also, this isn't just a EU or white middle class US problem.... So. Korea, Japan, Singapore, and soon, CHINA would be sharing in the same 'problem'

The truth? WEALTH and EDUCATION are the best CONTRACEPTIVES.

Ignorance, religious dogma (note: different from personal spirituality and experience-based spirituality), and poverty produce population explosions.

If you want to keep different cultures from 'invading', do one thing: Support FREE TRADE and ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY (ie., anyone can have a shot at being a millionaire) within the countries that export their people. You'd be surprised as to how quickly WEALTH and EDUCATION can reduce birth rates.

Besides, is there a LAW that says countries have to have LARGE populations? Isn't it a FACT that most of the WORLD's population that's ever existed are only alive NOW? Ie., the world went through an ALGAL BLOOM due to the discovery of antibiotics....

Maybe, thanks to ROBOTICS/AUTOMATION/breakthroughs in energy production, HUMANITY can go on with a FRACTION of its current population?

I'm just raising issues that go beyond the typical culture politics....

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000 (+ Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000)

Where do you get those numbers? In 20th century it was about a couple of millions, a few years ago it was 30 millions, today it's 42 millions... What will be tomorrow? A 1 billion I guess?

Population of the Soviet Union in 1926 (before Stalin's repressions): 147 millions
Population of the Soviet Union in 1939 (after Stalin's repressions): 170 millions
Population of the Soviet Union in 1959 (after Stalin's repressions and WWII): 209 millions

Number of Soviet prisoners in 1937 (the year known for Stalin's repressions) aka "GULAG": 1,2 millions
Number of prisoners in the United States in 2013 (just for a comparison of the World's freest country with the USSR during bloody Stalin's regime): more than 1,57 millions

So there are more prisoners in the USA today than Soviet Union has during Stalin's repressions. How come?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

...So there are more prisoners in the USA today than Soviet Union has during Stalin's repressions. How come?

Because in Russia you can get away with most things - Just don't talk shit about the people in charge - It's still the case in many ways...

The prisoners under Stalin where mainly political.....

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Because in Russia you can get away with most things - Just don't talk shit about the people in charge - It's still the case in many ways...

The prisoners under Stalin where mainly political.....

We are talking about bloody Stalin's ages. Believe me, during that period in Soviet Union you would not get away even if you stole a handful of wheat from the field. Go read Soviet history and you'll see that most of prisoners were not political. The one could get a death penalty even for buying/selling of the foreign currency. It was a real strict time, so nobody got away even for lesser crimes (e.g. homosexuality was a crime in the Soviet Union). And even then, the number of prisoners was not as big as in the World's freest country nowadays. So I have to repeat my question: how come?

Now as about the modern Russia.

There is no prison time for a tax evasion for private persons (the companies is a different thing).

A drunk sex is not considered as a rape here, because every person is responsible for itself even when drunk - doesn't matter if you doing sex, robbery, murder or driving a car. If you can't control yourself, just don't drink.

We have very light punishments for economical crimes. Here you can't get a prison time for using of insider information when playing on forex - usually you'll lost your job and will be fined, but not imprisoned like Raj Rajaratnam or Jeffrey Skilling.

You won't get a prison time for doing a small business (e.g. taxi service, selling of food, some goods etc) w/o registering as self employed person in the tax office.

You won't be shot dead or get a prison time for telling "fuck you" to a police officer.

etc...

On the other hand, you won't get away with a murder, robbery, theft, beating someone or a rape (I mean a forced sex, not a drunk one). Oh... we also have no death penalty here. Does it count?