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Old 11-22-2015, 03:20 AM   #51
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So I have to repeat my question: how come?
That one's easy to answer: The US' war on drugs



That's why the recent increase in libertarianism is definitely a welcome development.

The drug war translates to a massive pool of people with diminished employment prospects due to their ex-con status which fuels another wave of social pathology.
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The PVV does not stand for deporting muslims who live here, this speech is a story of one of their party members to rile things up. This is what they do from time to time, this one is from last year.

What i do agree with is that why a small group is getting the biggest mosques in a western country. The buildings are huge, with prominent spots costing millions of euros. The value of houses near a mosque go way down in value. Nobody who lives here agrees with it, yet it gets ignored what the majority thinks. Because they are not getting built in the neighborhoods where the corrupt politicians live.
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That one's easy to answer: The US' war on drugs
That does not explain the situation at all. Here in Russia even smoking spices are a serious crime. In China or Iran they have a death penalty for that.

This is Russian DEA in action:









Do you think these guys arrest not as many junkies as the US police does?

P.S. Forgot to mention it in my previous post. Drugs is a very serious crime in Russia. Almost as serious a murder.
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That does nor explain the situation at all. Here in Russia even smoking spices are a serious crime. In China or Iran they have a death penalty for that.

This is Russian DEA in action:









Do you think these guys arrest not as many junkies as the US police does?
I am not familiar with the Russian penal code but in the US, thanks to '3 strikes' laws and 'Zero tolerance' laws mandating minimum sentences, prisons are filling up quickly. On top of all this, add the PROBATION SYSTEMS' rules and it's very easy to end up back behind bars. Add to this the SYSTEMIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST between the HUGE prison industrial complex and the Correction Officer unions and politicians looking for special interest support to get elected and it's easy to see why there's a heavier focus on PUNISHMENT than REHABILITATION. There's simply more money in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison...strial_complex
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I am not familiar with the Russian penal code
Note my post above. Drug trafficking is like terrorism being prosecuted by FSB (not just a regular police). This means the drug trafficking is one of the worst crimes in Russia. And yes it's also under the 'zero tolerance' law here.

P.S. Seems that Stalin was not as mad towards his people in 1937 as Obama today
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why don't we ban christianity instead? its the christians that drop 99% of the worlds bombs and do the huge bulk of the terror attacks...

I mean muslims can not hold a candle to the US army, and it seems that christian churches are only a breeding ground for christian terrorists who want to drop bombs on people ect ect...

ooooohh riiiight the western double standard stops you from noticing the huuuuuge disproportion of violence, and you focus only on everybody else and not YOU

now carry on and keep doing exactly what ISIS wants you to do you stupid tools LOL and also keep not noticing the real problems in your countries and keep focusing on what they serve you...

now be good little drones and eat up the propaganda
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Sure it will. Because you can't ban one single religious confession if you don't ban the rest ones.
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have no idea why you are proud that your people don't have the freedom to ingest any substance they want and alter their consciousness the way they want without harming anyone else.

that is something to be ashamed of. not proud.

iran and china are countries you should not be proud to be associated with when it comes to basic freedoms.

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Note my post above. Drug trafficking is like terrorism being prosecuted by FSB (not just a regular police). This means the drug trafficking is one of the worst crimes in Russia. And yes it's also under the 'zero tolerance' law here.

P.S. Seems that Stalin was not as mad towards his people in 1937 as Obama today
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So this thread is about Russia now? What a surprise.

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They have. There is no law that forbids it. But there is a law that forbids drug trafficking. BTW, human trafficking is forbidden too - you are not allowed to buy and sell slaves here ;)
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They are doing it for years already and are costing the country a ton in personal protection.

In general i'd say that PVV voters are the more simple minded people. Unfortunately we have a lot of them as everywhere.
So true... Nobody I know vote for this PVV and Amsterdam is such a nice city because it is so open minded and accepts people no matter what they believe or how they look. As long as you respect all the other people as well.

I'm happy to live in a city like this, but i notice that things are changing because lately not everyone has this open mind set anymore and they start judging each other..
Why can't you just leave each other alone...

However, still great place to live!!
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So true... Nobody I know vote for this PVV and Amsterdam is such a nice city because it is so open minded and accepts people no matter what they believe or how they look. As long as you respect all the other people as well.

I'm happy to live in a city like this, but i notice that things are changing because lately not everyone has this open mind set anymore and they start judging each other..
Why can't you just leave each other alone...

However, still great place to live!!
That's the point. When I spent 6 weeks there recently I noticed many arab-looking men giving me and the Dutch nationals "dirty looks" and talking amongst themselves and pointing, as if WE were the ones doing something wrong. I even asked several arab men wtf their problem was and why are they STARING at me. Know what they said? "Because you are a blue-eyed devil."
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It's funny how people are afraid of Muslims. Seems you have a very short memory, because Christians have killed a thousand times more.
read this..... to see how evil islam is compared to christianity Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam

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Exactly. Plus all those Crusades - just read how many wars were started by Christians in a name of Jewish God and how many people were killed.
why the crusades : Pope Urban II in Italy pleading for military help against the growing Turkish threat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


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You don't even imagine haw much the Muslim scientists have brought to our society (math, chemistry, astronomy, medicine etc) before they were invaded and plunged into the Stone Age by Crusaders. The history sources say that a water was black of paint from the books which were thrown into rivers by the Christian barbarians.

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The greatest scientific advances from the Muslim world | Science | The Guardian

15 Famous Muslim (Arab & Persian) Scientists and their Inventions

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Islamic_world

Science Islam - Muslims Contribution To Science

http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam...hers_notes.pdf

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathem...medieval_Islam mathematics in medieval islam building on greek and indian mahematics
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That's what I said...
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That's the point. When I spent 6 weeks there recently I noticed many arab-looking men giving me and the Dutch nationals "dirty looks" and talking amongst themselves and pointing, as if WE were the ones doing something wrong. I even asked several arab men wtf their problem was and why are they STARING at me. Know what they said? "Because you are a blue-eyed devil."

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That's what I said...
I didn't get it. Smoking spices here are equal to narcotics and if you sell then, you'll be prosecuted in a same way as a drug dealer. What's wrong with that?
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short memory? We weren't alive in the 1500s.
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I didn't get it. Smoking spices here are equal to narcotics and if you sell then, you'll be prosecuted in a same way as a drug dealer. What's wrong with that?
So if I put some chili in a pipe and smoke that I would be arrested?..
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read this..... to see how evil islam is compared to christianity Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam
Some extreme stupid bullshit. Seems that the authors have not read the Bible. Just for example:

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2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other agods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that aprophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God bproveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 Ye shall awalk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to adeath; because he hath spoken to bturn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to cthrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy ason, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, bentice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not aconsent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be afirst upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and afear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

13 Certain men, the children of aBelial, are gone out from among you, and have bwithdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17 And athere shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his banger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God.
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So if I put some chili in a pipe and smoke that I would be arrested?..
You will not. Only production and distribution is punishable. You can smoke, sniff and inject any shit you want - that's your own life and nobody cares of it. Just don't produce and sell it to others. Is that clear enough or you still need for some additional explanation? ;) I'm not an expert of the US criminal code, but I think they also can't arrest you for just smoking of marijuana.
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That does not explain the situation at all. Here in Russia even smoking spices are a serious crime. Drugs is a very serious crime in Russia. Almost as serious a murder.

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Only production and distribution is punishable. You can smoke, sniff and inject any shit you want - that's your own life and nobody cares of it. Just don't produce and sell it to others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_p...e_Soviet_Union

Drug regulation remained largely untouched in the Soviet Union until 1974, when the Supreme Soviet issued a Decree entitled 'On Reinforcement of the Fight Against Drug Addiction'. This Decree was reproduced in Article 224 of the Penal Codes of all the Republics of the USSR, and not only increased the penalties for the offences mentioned above to between ten to fifteen years' imprisonment, but for the first time criminalised possession of drugs without intent to traffic, bringing a penalty of up to three years in prison. Additional offences of 'seducing another person to narcotic drugs', punishable by up to five years' imprisonment, and the theft of narcotics, punishable by between five to fifteen years' imprisonment, were also created. The term 'narcotics' used here referred to all drugs listed by UN Conventions, not just opiates.
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You will not. Only production and distribution is punishable. You can smoke, sniff and inject any shit you want - that's your own life and nobody cares of it. Just don't produce and sell it to others. Is that clear enough or you still need for some additional explanation? ;) I'm not an expert of the US criminal code, but I think they also can't arrest you for just smoking of marijuana.
So, I want to make a curry - I want some chili to put in it - It's illegal for someone to sell it to me?..

No wonder Russian food is boring.....






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Drug regulation remained largely untouched in the Soviet Union until 1974, when the Supreme Soviet issued a Decree entitled 'On Reinforcement of the Fight Against Drug Addiction'. This Decree was reproduced in Article 224 of the Penal Codes of all the Republics of the USSR, and not only increased the penalties for the offences mentioned above to between ten to fifteen years' imprisonment, but for the first time criminalised possession of drugs without intent to traffic, bringing a penalty of up to three years in prison. Additional offences of 'seducing another person to narcotic drugs', punishable by up to five years' imprisonment, and the theft of narcotics, punishable by between five to fifteen years' imprisonment, were also created. The term 'narcotics' used here referred to all drugs listed by UN Conventions, not just opiates.
As I said it was a strict time. However Russia is not Soviet Union and those laws do not work anymore. Why don't you post the Nazi German laws or the American segregation rules of the 20th century? As I said above, in Soviet Union everything was punishable and even then the number of prisoners was less than the United States have today. How come?

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So, I want to make a curry - I want some chili to put in it - It's illegal for someone to sell it to me?..
Yes it's illegal to sell you narcotics, slaves etc. Sorry, but it's 21th century. Drug and human trafficking are not allowed in my country. Maybe they are allowed in the UK... Try them there then come here and tell us about your achievements ;)

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No wonder Russian food is boring.....
Russian food is cool and tasty, while the English food is real boring and unhealthy. The oatmeal and boiled eggs? Please just kill me
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lol - I have never heard drugs called spice - I think this where the confusion is...
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Are you talking about smoking spices? Have you been banned by Google? Here you go, son: Side Effects of Spice Use
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Old 11-22-2015, 05:23 PM   #83
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Are you talking about smoking spices? Have you been banned by Google? Here you go, son: Side Effects of Spice Use

OK - I had never heard of it - I am getting old and don't now about all these new drugs - That's why I was talking about curry and chili...
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Old 11-22-2015, 05:34 PM   #84
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OK - I had never heard of it - I am getting old and don't now about all these new drugs - That's why I was talking about curry and chili...
Those were legal and were sold mostly by the African guys (don't know why) almost everywhere here just a couple of years ago, but now they are forbidden. If you'll try to sell them, you will be dealt with respectively. Even if there is no police, the regular citizens will take care of you:

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Old 11-22-2015, 06:58 PM   #85
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Ya because muhammad didnt go around killing, raping and pillaging. This "crusades" argument is fucking idiotic. Like its ok for muslims to kill today because of it?

Christians are idiots also. But how does one mute the other? Use your brain.
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Old 11-22-2015, 07:05 PM   #86
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Old 11-23-2015, 02:48 AM   #87
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Polling tells us 14% of Syrian refugees are already symathetic towards ISIS. Of the others, many will have extended family left behind where ISIS can use them as 'leverage' to coerce cooperation.
The Obama administration has consistently underestimated ISIS. They are not 'the JV team' and they are not 'contained'. America needs to take security seriously.
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Old 11-23-2015, 03:12 AM   #88
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Polling tells us 14% of Syrian refugees are already symathetic towards ISIS.
If that's true, why do they try to escape?
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