Do you agree? Credit Card companies DISCRIMINATE AGAINST adult sites?

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The Secret Censorship of Online Porn | Motherboard

Fascinating take. What is adult's risk profile compared to say casinos or other supposedly 'risky' categories on the Net?

[EddyTheDog]

I didn't read the article - Sorry...

I would say that all transactions on the net are high risk - If you are going to commit cc fraud it's got to be easier online than in your local Walmart - Less embarrassing if you get caught as well - lol.....

Bump for an interesting topic...

[marc22]

It's all true.

That is why there is not much money as there should in Porn.

There is too many restrictions, too many rules, there is no freedom.

All caused by the credit card companies and banks.

We need to get away from the credit card companies and banks. They are the root of all evil.

Banks and credit card companies are evil & deprive humans from freedom. They run the world, bring war and hold humans as salves. Salves of debt.

We must take down these banks and remove all the people who run them.

Without banks the world would be better.

But there is no easy way to take them down, What we need is a solution. Something better than banks where people control there own money.


This is a major problem in the porn industry. How can the banks and credit card companies tell you, you are not allowed to have BDSM or Period Porn, and anything "disgusting" when they the banks are murderers and theifs.

They are far worse.


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I believe in freedom of the porn. Where there is no limits. Where webmasters can make any type of porn.

The only rule i believe should be set is:

As long as it is consensual.

Meaning if someone wanted to make a Snuff Porn about being murdered. And she consented and signed her life away. (Agreed to it)

Then it should be allowed. It is everyone's freedom to choose what they want to do with their own body and life.

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I've been folowing bitcoin for the past year & it's still complicated. Although this past month because of Backpage being kicked from Credit Card companies. They teamed up/ or started Paxful ( not positive) But now i can go to the local bank and drop off money to someone selling bitcoins and they send me bitcoins. Alot better than before. But...

But still complicated! Bitcoin looks promising a way to get way from the banks.

We need to say "Fuck the Credit Card Companies & Fuck them Banks"





The problem with bitcoin is that it's very complicated for average users to buy bitcoins. If there was an easy way to buy bitcoins in matters of clicks. Then yes this could be a great solution to beat the banks and get away from the hypocritical credit card companies and bring freedom and more money into the porn industry.

But bitcoin is not yet there.



As long as the credit card companies and banks are in power. It will be hard to move forward.

[baddog]

Part of the problem is with the adult companies not wanting to utilize the fraud protection available to them.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by marc22

It's all true.

No it's not. The person who wrote this seems to have some kind of axe to grind. There's no censorship going on at all. A payment processors policies are their own, and what they will process and not process for is their decision. "referencing under age porn and beastiality" is completely understood and respected from every legit porn producer, actor and webmaster out there.

Originally Posted by marc22

That is why there is not much money as there should in Porn.

Completely not true. At the worst, your cost to accept transactions on your site is only 14.5% and with a little hard work on your end, you can get this down to something around 6%. But even at 14.5%, this is a small percentage of your overall cost.

Originally Posted by marc22

There is too many restrictions, too many rules, there is no freedom.

I disagree. All of the rules and restrictions make total sense to most adult companies. More importantly, those rules and restrictions actually help you to keep your site and content legal.

Originally Posted by marc22

We need to get away from the credit card companies and banks. They are the root of all evil.

Of course not. Credit card companies accept payments on your behalf from customers all over the world. They pay you on time and in accordance with the agreement. Banks are extremely helpful in extending credit, helping you save, giving you leverage, etc. Sure you can say "money is the root of all evil" but in the real world, you need banks and credit card processors.

Originally Posted by marc22

Banks and credit card companies are evil & deprive humans from freedom. They run the world, bring war and hold humans as salves. Salves of debt.

I think you meant to say "slaves", but I get what you mean. And this too is not exactly fair. Its people that put themselves into debt. It's true that some banks, especially in the US, make it too easy to borrow money and get into debt, but its not like the cost of borrowing money isn't told to you in advance.

Originally Posted by marc22

We must take down these banks and remove all the people who run them.

Without banks the world would be better.

Um... no.

Originally Posted by marc22

But there is no easy way to take them down, What we need is a solution. Something better than banks where people control there own money.

And where do you put it? How do you make it grow? And what do you do when you want to buy a house or car?

Originally Posted by marc22

This is a major problem in the porn industry. How can the banks and credit card companies tell you, you are not allowed to have BDSM or Period Porn, and anything "disgusting" when they the banks are murderers and theirs.

The rules and restrictions are in place to protect themselves and you. You could also argue that these rules are in place to protect the actors.

Originally Posted by marc22

I believe in freedom of the porn. Where there is no limits. Where webmasters can make any type of porn.

Fortunately you and me and everyone else on GFY is lucky enough to enjoy pretty limitless porn and porn-producing already.

Originally Posted by marc22

The only rule i believe should be set is:

As long as it is consensual.

Meaning if someone wanted to make a Snuff Porn about being murdered. And she consented and signed her life away. (Agreed to it)

What??

Originally Posted by marc22

But this way is a little easier to buy bitcoin. But still complicated! Bitcoin looks promising a way to get way from the banks.

Bitcoin is pretty simple actually. We just got started with it and despite a bump early on, BTC is looking pretty good.

Originally Posted by marc22

The problem with bitcoin is that it's very complicated for average users to buy bitcoins. If there was an easy way to buy bitcoins in matters of clicks. Then yes this could be a great solution to beat the banks and get away from the hypocritical credit card companies and bring freedom and more money into the porn industry.

http://www.coinbase.com makes it pretty easy.

Originally Posted by marc22

But bitcoin is not yet there.

Yes it is. Try it. http://www.coinbase.com

Originally Posted by marc22

As long as the credit card companies and banks are in power. It will be hard to move forward.

Credit card payment processors are doing a service for you, and they deserve to be paid for that service. Some charge more than others, and some offer more services than others. All it takes is a couple hours of research to fund the best company for you, at the best price.

Good luck!

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by marc22

I believe in freedom of the porn. Where there is no limits. Where webmasters can make any type of porn.

The only rule i believe should be set is:

As long as it is consensual.

Meaning if someone wanted to make a Snuff Porn about being murdered. And she consented and signed her life away. (Agreed to it)

Then it should be allowed. It is everyone's freedom to choose what they want to do with their own body and life.

So I take it you don't believe in copyright rules protecting porn?

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by marc22

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I believe in freedom of the porn. Where there is no limits. Where webmasters can make any type of porn.

The only rule i believe should be set is:

As long as it is consensual.

Meaning if someone wanted to make a Snuff Porn about being murdered. And she consented and signed her life away. (Agreed to it)

Then it should be allowed. It is everyone's freedom to choose what they want to do with their own body and life.

fucking dirt ball scum.

[xXXtesy10]

you can thank hahaha hahaha for that.

[plaster]

just ask 12clicks... he has banged so many cards that at least 12 rules have been written... what is sad is he's only pocketed about 150K/year... an average salary for most jobs

He used to hire two girls to do his dirty work... now he only has one.

Ask yourself... does a successful biznass man lose employees or gain? Do they... oh fuck it... lol

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So I take it you don't believe in copyright rules protecting porn?

How can violating copyright rules be 'consensual'?

I suppose you like getting paid for your intellectual property, right? Would you consent to people violating your IP rights?

[OldJeff]

Welcome to 1999

Rules are different for porn, was actually part of a back door deal with congress providing bankruptcy relief to the Card Associations in exchange for making it impossible for porn to survive on the net.

Stupid low thresholds, insane fine levels.

It obviously didn't work as planned

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by **********

There's no censorship going on at all. A payment processors policies are their own, and what they will process and not process for is their decision. "referencing under age porn and beastiality" is completely understood and respected from every legit porn producer, actor and webmaster out there.

the entire banking/international econ system needs to be torn apart with a rusty pickaxe and rebuilt from the bottom up, but it the interests of staying on topic not gonna venture into that morass

that said, private companies like banks and cc cos absolutely do practise censorship, in that as of right now it's almost impossible to operate a successful site without acquiescing to the strictures they impose. The recent thread about a proposed btc site made that evident. No cc processing=no viable business, in the current marketplace at least

Some of their rules are flat out fuckery. Case in point: lactation. In the US at least that's considered a BRAM violation. The ban on menstrual blood or pee I can at least see a quasi logical basis for, in that both are technically waste products, but breast milk is actual food. It's crazy to me that a guy can shoot cum all over another person and it's fine but a hint of breast milk? That's obscene

I get it, BRAM constraints are a far better alternative to a wildwest where cp and brutality are permitted to thrive openly, but let's not pretend that a small handful of private enterprises aren't in almost total control of the commercial market. They are, and their rules in practise are absolutely censorious.

[Rochard]

Gee, I've never had a credit card processor tell me they wouldn't process for me.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Gee, I've never had a credit card processor tell me they wouldn't process for me.

...for 4-5 times what they charge in mainstream.

your privacy, your wallet, is there any place you don't mind getting fucked?