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And Donald Trump is no Ross Perot. Just sayin'. 
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so trump really has no plan to reverse offshoring?
damn that's going to suck for all the people who vote for him hoping he would do as he keeps promising. |
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Yes there is corruption, but that's the fault of the political model we have. To rid the system of corruption we have to vote for those who don't have vested interests, don't need money or a job after they leave politics. Trump fills those boxes. The problem he will have after elected is all the other politicians who bought power with corporate money. |
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03-16-2016, 08:35 AM
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US corporations rely on the West for sales. We need to tell them that if they want to make abroad and sell in the West, then transfer profits to a tax haven. They will be closed from selling in the West. Those companies are running the World for the benefit of the 1%. |
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03-16-2016, 09:14 AM
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for example an Iphone would cost say $2000 to be made in the USA and that indian phone is just 4$... how much tax do you think you could impose on the indian company to protect apple, without hurting trade agreements with the world? 200% tax on 4$ is like 8$...so the india phone would be 12$ instead of 4$ but US goods abroad would probably be met with the %200 tax too...not probably but definitely... you can protect domestic production only at the cost of screwing over your own exports... |
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03-17-2016, 01:22 AM
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Shop markups are between 100-200%. The EU-US would have no problem trading with each other. Countries like India would have to bow down or lose a lot their economy. The problem with doing nothing is eventually, so much is made abroad a country is forced to go into debt to buy the products it needs. Whoops, too late. Still nice to see you start to understand how business has to work. |
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03-17-2016, 04:56 AM
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open up a US domestic production and see how much serious capital you get... investors want $$$$$...they want it NOW...or they go elsewhere... |
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03-17-2016, 08:25 AM
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The two global markets for most are EU and US. China has a trade surplus with everyone, as do most Third world Countries. So who invests in what, if they can't sell to the EU and US cheap goods? The only thing stopping this is the will of the people to vote for politicians who will stand up to big business. At the moment the suppliers are ruling the customers. |
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03-17-2016, 09:19 AM
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Man this thread turned unreadable real quick.
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this is basic basic stuff paul...its not really up for debate, you touch their profits they will drop you like the plague...capital is international it is not in the USA any more <---concentrate on this |
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03-17-2016, 09:33 AM
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They show a reduced trade deficit based on lower economic activity and a much lower price for imported oil and a strengthening dollar compared to other currencies that we import from.. |
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I really wish that kids were taught economics, both theory and history, both Austrian as well as Keynesian, in high school... It's basic to human interaction, and the lack of understanding is just depressing.  .
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actually the death of this place will be american idiots...I only posted my opinion and you guys answered back
 "serb idiots" LOL has nothing to do with your inability to stay the fuck out of commenting on stuff you do not want to be commented back... it also in no way shape of form stops you from reading what you really are interested in... I get it, you know your shit boat is sinking and who ever rubs your face in the truth is an idiot... its not even a serious thread...trump promises jobs will come back to the USA only a fucking moron would not see the humor  |
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Admiting you're a moron is the first step towards healing. Quote:
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03-17-2016, 11:25 AM
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03-17-2016, 11:30 AM
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I said it is very amusing you think that jobs will reshore to the USA...dynamo and his 0.3% "reversal" LOL |
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03-17-2016, 11:31 AM
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Of course it's not the trillions of dollars spent on the NSA spying and military. Nope we need to spend more money on that.. Rah,Rah liberals bad.. Republicans have started electing absolute morons into office andtheir dimwitted nonsense keeps getting worse. |
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03-17-2016, 11:56 AM
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slippery serb, don't try and slip out now, you stated unequivocally that USA capitalism would never ever let jobs come back, but in fact, jobs have returned, including an entire industry. |
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03-17-2016, 12:25 PM
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I kinda feel this is the same debate as the insurance premiums getting lowered. Trumps response was to eliminate state boundaries on who can bid to offer health insurance. By creating this competition it would drive costs down. Just like in any bidding war. Sure makes sense to me.... yet, everyone in the news and sweaty guy mocked him and said what's the plan though. That is the plan, now he hires the lawyers to make it maw and right up the paperwork.
Same thing with bringing jobs back. His plan is if USA provideo x service, country receiving said service is going to pay for it where as before they were not, or paYing very little. More money coming in, grows the nation financially. If us company wants to move plants out of country, they get taxed to sell to us. Same idea as vat just not so greedy with a moral undertone to grow the us and keep the jobs here. Pretty simple stuff really in concept. Hire the attorneys to make the laws and draw up the paperwork. You have to admit that alot of laws, foreign and domestic, are written to line the pockets of a few. It is trumps biggest campaign message and why he is cresting this movement you now see with the people. |
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03-17-2016, 02:06 PM
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any way you look at it, raising taxes on something making it less profitable to produce abroad, or making it less profitable domestically by forcing them to hire expensive labor, has never positively affected sales...the price is passed on to the consumer...investors want $$$$ or they go elsewhere... basic basic stuff... even if you get them to produce in the USA, the money you make from tax foreign produced goods will be lost on the inevitable reduction of sales due to the inevitable rise in price of the product or service in question... 2 factor problem: 1) more expensive to produce 2) less sales due to increased price of product shit I wish I was a genius like superbonzo, both Austrian as well as Keynesian, I would know how these 2 factors play no role at all and would be able to explain it LOL I bet you can explain how it will stimulate growth? no? |
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03-17-2016, 02:17 PM
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My apologies. The #1 issue with all mankind is this: trying to figure out how to have it both ways. You can't have a rich upper class, a rich middle class and a rich poorer class, now can you? Someone's gotta be on the bottom rung of the ladder. Yet we stupid humans keep on a-tryin'.
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Then go back and study the figures and trend from 1970. |
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A laptop made in China sends money to China. Employs s person working in the China pays Chinese taxes, buys products in China and keeps Chinese people employed. All this goes to keeping the Chinese economy buoyant. $100 in benefits is better spent than $100 sent to China. Because it's less likely that guy will be buying a computer made in China. Employing that unemployed guy in the US to make computers will make Apple Shares tumble for a while. Until the money in wages in the US rises and newly employed workers start buying their own computers. It will see the deficit tumble and tax revenues rise. Yes people will be buying less, and making it last longer. Continue down this road and eventually all your customers will suffer. The 1% will hate it, as Crusithicko point outs, their income will fall. Comical watch him switch sides. |
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I was chatting with a neighbor today. She and her husband were living in the UK. He's a high-skilled mechanical engineer working in design and R & D. They were living in the UK where the company had the main manufacturing plant.
It was moved to Czech and they came with it. Then the manufacturing plant was moved China. Now she hears design and R & D are going to be done in China and they're not looking for many Europeans to move there. He's looking for a job. This is a man with a skill that 10 years ago gave him the freedom to move anywhere in the world. They're not worried he can still get a job anywhere. But their children won't be so fortunate if we keep on this route. |
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Money flows up. The biggest company in the US is Walmart. Where will that be if more people can afford to shop there? Or fewer? |
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basic principles in economy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency Pareto efficiency, or Pareto optimality, is a state of allocation of resources in which it is impossible to make any one individual better off without making at least one individual worse off. |
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Please God...let Paul walk away from these threads so that they can be interesting again...
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As this points out the growth of the Third World has been at the expense of the First Wold. |
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Eventually we will have a global standard of living and yes that will suck for the people who were much higher and be cool for those who were lower. It is just the way it works. |
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Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why | Thomas Frank | Opinion | The Guardian
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I love how according to Paul Markham, Trump has to solve every single issue known to mankind and has to show us exactly how it's done! But Paul never mentions or does the same thing with any other candidate.
Then Paul says Trump doesn't have any plans. Does he not watch Trump speeches or go to Trump's website? Of course not! He takes 10 second media soundbites and goes from there Out of the 5 candidates left, Trump is BY FAR the best choice to be President. It's not even close. It's like having Michael Jordan and four fat, D3 basketball players up there |
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Even though 99% of them are in that group spending $20 they convince themselves that they are special and will eventually be the guy spending $5k so they vote people into office which actually makes it harder for them to be that guy spending $5k. |
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when a rich guy buys a $10 million house, those 10mil are locked there for the next 100 years for example... a rich guy can buy a shirt...he can buy 100 shirts...but he will not buy 1.000.000 shirts...he will buy a car or 10 cars but not 1000 cars like 1000 people would...so what does he do with the bulk of his money? invest...long term mostly...long term investments do not trickle down... most of the money the rich make is not spent but invested...this money trickles up not down in some tax heaven... I love how they coined the term "horse and sparrow" if you feed the horse enough oats he will shit some out so the sparrow can eatthis is literally the boldest name for a theory made by a rich guy that I have ever heard, "the poor can eat our shit" LOL |
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some sophisticated person gets a $100k tax refund... figures: "oh cool, lets build a nice house with it".... takes $100k, borrows $400k... spends $500k to build a house... so with a $100k tax refund.... $500k is getting injected into the US economy + 100s of jobs get created along with it... US now has a nice house built, which will be enjoyed by someone in the US for generations... vs some less sophisticated person gets a $100 refund... he buys some bullshit widget made in China... benefit to US economy = practically zero... US jobs created = practically zero... widget breaks in 3 months, he throws it away... China is $100 richer, US has nothing to show for it... which scenario sounds more appealing to you?
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