Are you sales down, or is your CCard Processor skimming your sales?

[LovinNothin]

I've always wondered this, and please, tell me why this can't happen:

CCbill, Zombaio, Epoch, you name it, any low life 3rd party adult billing processor:

The basic model to all 3rd party credit card billers is this:

When the member clicks "join" he is taken to an outside credit card page that isn't a part of your website.

So what is preventing any of these 3rd party billers from making a simple copy of your site, and when a new member buys a membership, he is sent a link to "CCbill's version" of your site and the sale is not listed in your sales records?

Haven't you ever received an email from a member stating "I bought a membership and I can't log in?" You check "your" records and he isn't listed in your htaccess etc... but he is contacting you because he did buy a membership, but his codes don't work on "your site" but, what you don't know is they only work on the site CCbill told him to go to.

After you brush him off, because you know he is lying, he contacts CCbill or where he bought the membership from, and they "give him a link that works." You never hear back from him because you think he went away.

The adult market has crashed, not because consumers are not willing to buy, but because the skills of these low life, NON regulated credit card billing companies have learned how to easily steal sales simply by making a copy of a website.

It's so simple. A skim here and there, nothing big, just a sale or 2 a day, which ads up to millions over time from all the thousands of unsuspecting webmasters.

The best crimes are the ones done right under your nose, in small amounts.

You might think your site is only making one or 2 sales a day, when it's really making 4 or 5. Or maybe you have a big site, making 20 sales a day, when really it's making 25. But you will never now because the billers are taking the rest. Not a huge skim, but just enough so you don't feel it.

Can somebody please prove me wrong?

How easy would it be to simply copy a site and keep a small percentage of sales?

Very easy.

I never believed the adult market crashed. I believe it was simply stolen by un regulated credit card processors with the most sophisticated programs designed.

[The Porn Nerd]

Under your scenario, let's say I contact the member back and ask him to forward me his email with this magic "CCBill link". He does so and....what will I find? My site xxxx.com/ccbill?

If this cloned site existed....where is it? Under what name? If someone joins BobsMuffBurgers.com then what 'copied' site is he really joining? BobsMuffBurgers.com/ccbill? It could not be a different name totally now could it? Like he thinks he's joining BobsMuffBurgers.com and really he is joining JoesMuffBurgers.com?

Your conspiracy theory does not work because members are not complete and utter idiots. Close, but not complete.

[Sly]

One word: fraud.

[CurrentlySober]

i lik muffinburgers but nun of ur linxz wurk...

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i lik muffinburgers but nun of ur linxz wurk...

They are magic links remember.
They don't work for everyone.
Send me your email and I will forward the correct link to you. Please ignore the URL on your billing statement.

:D

[Mickey_]

[sarettah]

Every business, on the net or brick and mortar, has to trust somebody at some point. Those that prove themselves un-trustworthy eventually end up out of business.

We hope ;p

.

[dyna mo]

yeah, no.

[Jigster715]

Theres a thread or two about a scammer copying everyones domains. Copying hundreds or thousands. I would suspect something like that and probably not a biller.

[INever]

This scheme would work better for one-time sales of products with low numbers of returns.

[ShowMe69]

A better scenario such as the one Zombaio used, process the credit card, get the money and just never pay the webmaster. Then say a year later you were purchased by some unknown entity and they will eventually pay you...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

I've always wondered this, and please, tell me why this can't happen:

CCbill, Zombaio, Epoch, you name it, any low life 3rd party adult billing processor:

The basic model to all 3rd party credit card billers is this:

When the member clicks "join" he is taken to an outside credit card page that isn't a part of your website.

So what is preventing any of these 3rd party billers from making a simple copy of your site, and when a new member buys a membership, he is sent a link to "CCbill's version" of your site and the sale is not listed in your sales records?

Haven't you ever received an email from a member stating "I bought a membership and I can't log in?" You check "your" records and he isn't listed in your htaccess etc... but he is contacting you because he did buy a membership, but his codes don't work on "your site" but, what you don't know is they only work on the site CCbill told him to go to.

After you brush him off, because you know he is lying, he contacts CCbill or where he bought the membership from, and they "give him a link that works." You never hear back from him because you think he went away.

The adult market has crashed, not because consumers are not willing to buy, but because the skills of these low life, NON regulated credit card billing companies have learned how to easily steal sales simply by making a copy of a website.

It's so simple. A skim here and there, nothing big, just a sale or 2 a day, which ads up to millions over time from all the thousands of unsuspecting webmasters.

The best crimes are the ones done right under your nose, in small amounts.

You might think your site is only making one or 2 sales a day, when it's really making 4 or 5. Or maybe you have a big site, making 20 sales a day, when really it's making 25. But you will never now because the billers are taking the rest. Not a huge skim, but just enough so you don't feel it.

Can somebody please prove me wrong?

How easy would it be to simply copy a site and keep a small percentage of sales?

Very easy.

I never believed the adult market crashed. I believe it was simply stolen by un regulated credit card processors with the most sophisticated programs designed.

Circumlocutory Expression. You could have just said that your sales are down...

Hey... is that you? :

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

Haven't you ever received an email from a member stating "I bought a membership and I can't log in?" You check "your" records and he isn't listed in your htaccess etc... but he is contacting you because he did buy a membership, but his codes don't work on "your site" but, what you don't know is they only work on the site CCbill told him to go to.

No. I haven't.
This is one of the dumbest threads ever on GFY. LOL...
#StupidConspiracyTheory

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Every business, on the net or brick and mortar, has to trust somebody at some point. Those that prove themselves un-trustworthy eventually end up out of business.

We hope ;p

.

iBill 2003...

[CPA-Rush]

possible ....thumbs up for raising awareness.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

I never believed the adult market crashed. I believe it was simply stolen by un regulated credit card processors with the most sophisticated programs designed.

Do you know how I know you're unsuccessful?

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Under your scenario, let's say I contact the member back and ask him to forward me his email with this magic "CCBill link". He does so and....what will I find? My site xxxx.com/ccbill?

If this cloned site existed....where is it? Under what name? If someone joins BobsMuffBurgers.com then what 'copied' site is he really joining? BobsMuffBurgers.com/ccbill? It could not be a different name totally now could it? Like he thinks he's joining BobsMuffBurgers.com and really he is joining JoesMuffBurgers.com?

Your conspiracy theory does not work because members are not complete and utter idiots. Close, but not complete.

Not only that, but they'd be opening themselves up to huge lawsuits and likely criminal action. Their lawyers would be going crazy with the stress.

(not at you, TPN)

If your sales suck / are low, you should probably check your tours, content, sales funnels and traffic sources first before coming up with wild conspiracy theories.

[LovinNothin]

Getting a lot of no's... some maybe's.... some "I'm crazy..."

But.... Is it possible?

If in the remote chance it is possible, you don't think it's already being done to some degree?

No regulation, and the most sophisticated software programmers on the planet are working for these billing companies.

The skim would be so simple. Skimming sales that are outside your area. U.S. webmasters getting their Euro sales skimmed and vice versa.

It would be incredibly easy and undetectable, especially with foreign sales.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

BobsMuffBurgers.com/ccbill? It could not be a different name totally now could it? Like he thinks he's joining BobsMuffBurgers.com and really he is joining JoesMuffBurgers.com?

Your conspiracy theory does not work because members are not complete and utter idiots. Close, but not complete.

Nobody reads a url when they are jerking off. Once a sale is made, he gets an email from ccbill, and clicks on a masked link. From there, it's jerk session, then done. Now, say he returns to the main regular site... what?? "My passcodes don't work??" So he goes back to his email w/link caz he knows that one works. And it does. Jerk session II. Most guys save the "special members link" sent by the credit card company. Once in, who goes back to the tour to log in? Once that "link" is on his desktop or secret folder, that's it.

How many times do you really look up at an address bar when jerkin off?

And who's to say the members area isn't called "BobsMuffBurgers.ccbill.com" I bought it thru ccbill, so that url makes sense to anybody jerkin off... Besides who really looks up and cross analyzes urls anyways? People aren't dumb, they just don't care, as long as the screen has titties and pussies on it.

Euro skim would be the best for U.S. webmasters because we all naturally think Europeans don't buy American porn to begin with. They do, you just don't know about it.
Men are men all around the planet, your top selling site doesn't sell "as well" in Europe and you don't know why? Now you do. It doesn't take a master thief to digitally skim a few sales from the other side of the planet.

I think it's the scam of the decade. It's the wild west. No laws, no regulation and no proof. It's all digital & erasable. There isn't anything there but images and credit card numbers. You really think CCbill et al are making millions playing it straight? In a world market with no regulation at all? There isn't a major corporation in America that plays it straight, and CCbill et al are digital.

So the question remains, is it possible? and if it is, it's probably being done. As in all things in life, on this huge planet we live on, if it can be done, somebody is already doing it.

[Porko]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Circumlocutory Expression. You could have just said that your sales are down...

Hey... is that you? :

[Alex CZ]

You can monitor your htpaswd file and compare sales to added users.
Run daily audit cron job and email it to yourself.

[adultdealsXXX]

LovinNothin merchant accounts llc coming up?

[NatalieK]

Our sales are up, alas, we're not using ccbill & other processors atm, as my site's with MC

[Jel]

best troll in 2016 so far, good work OP

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

I've always wondered this, and please, tell me why this can't happen:

CCbill, Zombaio, Epoch, you name it, any low life 3rd party adult billing processor:

The basic model to all 3rd party credit card billers is this:

When the member clicks "join" he is taken to an outside credit card page that isn't a part of your website.

So what is preventing any of these 3rd party billers from making a simple copy of your site, and when a new member buys a membership, he is sent a link to "CCbill's version" of your site and the sale is not listed in your sales records?

Haven't you ever received an email from a member stating "I bought a membership and I can't log in?" You check "your" records and he isn't listed in your htaccess etc... but he is contacting you because he did buy a membership, but his codes don't work on "your site" but, what you don't know is they only work on the site CCbill told him to go to.

After you brush him off, because you know he is lying, he contacts CCbill or where he bought the membership from, and they "give him a link that works." You never hear back from him because you think he went away.

The adult market has crashed, not because consumers are not willing to buy, but because the skills of these low life, NON regulated credit card billing companies have learned how to easily steal sales simply by making a copy of a website.

It's so simple. A skim here and there, nothing big, just a sale or 2 a day, which ads up to millions over time from all the thousands of unsuspecting webmasters.

The best crimes are the ones done right under your nose, in small amounts.

You might think your site is only making one or 2 sales a day, when it's really making 4 or 5. Or maybe you have a big site, making 20 sales a day, when really it's making 25. But you will never now because the billers are taking the rest. Not a huge skim, but just enough so you don't feel it.

Can somebody please prove me wrong?

How easy would it be to simply copy a site and keep a small percentage of sales?

Very easy.

I never believed the adult market crashed. I believe it was simply stolen by un regulated credit card processors with the most sophisticated programs designed.

hey man Zombaio Thomas rocks the house. fuck off

[dig420]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

Getting a lot of no's... some maybe's.... some "I'm crazy..."

Yes Sara, you are crazy ;)

[Jel]

Originally Posted by dig420

Yes Sara, you are crazy ;)

ah. that would make sense of the OP

[Beaver1]

It wouldnt be more intresting to know what happens
with all the carge back percentages of the accounts
that get scrubbed under the higrisk border.

Who gets the rest and how?

It wouldnt make sense for billers to scrubb small accounts harder
and sell the rest more expensive under the table?

Greetings Beaver

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Beaver1

It wouldnt be more intresting to know what happens
with all the carge back percentages of the accounts
that get scrubbed under the higrisk border.

Who gets the rest and how?

It wouldnt make sense for billers to scrubb small accounts harder
and sell the rest more expensive under the table?

Greetings Beaver

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

So what is preventing any of these 3rd party billers from making a simple copy of your site, and when a new member buys a membership, he is sent a link to "CCbill's version" of your site and the sale is not listed in your sales records?

You nailed it, OP.

The question is, how do we fight it?

[OldJeff]

Possible, yes.

It is also possible that Joe Girardi is going to call me up and ask me to pitch for the Yankees. After throwing the absolute perfect 81 consecutive strikes, Derek Jeter will meet me in the locker room and ask me to fuck Hanna because he is not getting the job done. As a thank you he will make me CEO of Turn2, and give me a bunch of signed memorabilia.

The difference between the two possibilities is my scenario is more likely to happen

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

this.......

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Possible, yes.

It is also possible that Joe Girardi is going to call me up and ask me to pitch for the Yankees. After throwing the absolute perfect 81 consecutive strikes, Derek Jeter will meet me in the locker room and ask me to fuck Hanna because he is not getting the job done. As a thank you he will make me CEO of Turn2, and give me a bunch of signed memorabilia.

The difference between the two possibilities is my scenario is more likely to happen

and this.....

[TheeRoly]

Lol at this thread in general.

Lol at the European traffic skim theory as well. Did it ever occur to you that an American site does not convert as well in that Region due to creative's, tour, etc all being in English instead of whatever language is spoken in these countries? Basically the entire user journey is fucked, so yes your conversions in turn will probably be fucked too.

Not to mention the billing infrastructure is completely different. Carrier billing is pretty popular in Europe, pulling out your card for porn seems like an inconvenience.

[bns666]

yes and there would never be any leaks about it...