Rant US: Illegal Aliens Openly Brag About $300k Scholarships on Twitter

[Google Expert]

While the country is broke and Americans whose forefathers founded this nation and paid into the system for generations are being saddled with massive student debt, illegal immigrants are getting $282,220 scholarships and bragging about it on twitter.

Pictures were highlighted by Jared Wyand on Twitter.

California, Minnesota, New Mexico, Texas and Washington all give illegal aliens millions in financial aid. Many states allow illegals (like the ones who rioted last week in San Jose) to get in-state tuition, which is subsidized by taxpayers.

Illegals Openly Brag About $300k Scholarships on Twitter » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE TO SHIT.

[woj]

while it does seem a bit off, what do you suggest the solution is? clearly the guy is pretty bright, with the right education will likely become a brilliant scientist, engineer or doctor...

so options are more or less:
1. deny him the scholarship, since he wouldn't be able to afford college education otherwise, he will starts a moderately successful landscaping business instead... seems like that would result in wasted talent?
2. we kick him out, he studies in Mexico instead, becomes a successful scientist in Mexico... we gain nothing out of it, Mexico gains a successful scientist... seems like that is not ideal outcome either? seems like it would be in our best interest to keep talented people in the US? and what about the 12+ years we already invested in his education?
3. ??

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by woj

while it does seem a bit off, what do you suggest the solution is? clearly the guy is pretty bright, with the right education will likely become a brilliant scientist, engineer or doctor...

so options are more or less:
1. deny him the scholarship, since he wouldn't be able to afford college education otherwise, he will starts a moderately successful landscaping business instead... seems like that would result in wasted talent?
2. we kick him out, he studies in Mexico instead, becomes a successful scientist in Mexico... we gain nothing out of it, Mexico gains a successful scientist... seems like that is not ideal outcome either? seems like it would be in our best interest to keep talented people in the US? and what about the 12+ years we already invested in his education?
3. ??

WHY DOES HE FEATURE NO LESS THAN THREE MEXICAN FLAG ICONS ON THE TWITTER PAGE, AND NOT ONE AMERICAN FLAG???

what the fuck did mexico ever do for him except create such a corrupt hellhole that his family fled there and came to the wonderful land of america where an illegal's wildest fantasies of educatiin and monetary enrichment??

No appreciation or gratitude apparently for the u.s. or its people, but all adoration for worthless mexico. I would kiss the ass of a country that gave me, or facilitated the giving to me of 300,000 dollars.

Oh and If you reward people for breaking the law, you will only encourage more people to break the law.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

WHY DOES HE FEATURE NO LESS THAN THREE MEXICAN FLAG ICONS ON THE TWITTER PAGE, AND NOT ONE AMERICAN FLAG???

Because it is politically incorrect to show American patriotism, pride in America or to even be American.



.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

WHY DOES HE FEATURE NO LESS THAN THREE MEXICAN FLAG ICONS ON THE TWITTER PAGE, AND NOT ONE AMERICAN FLAG???

what the fuck did mexico ever do for him except create such a corrupt hellhole that his family fled there and came to the wonderful land of america where an illegal's wildest fantasies of educatiin and monetary enrichment??

No appreciation or gratitude apparently for the u.s. or its people, but all adoration for worthless mexico. I would kiss the ass of a country that gave me, or facilitated the giving to me of 300,000 dollars.

Oh and If you reward people for breaking the law, you will only encourage more people to break the law.

I agree, he is ungrateful little shit, but still doesn't change the fact that probably the best option is for him to complete his education in the US, so he can then put his talents to use in the US instead of Mexico...

I don't think he is getting rewarded for breaking the law, he is rewarded for his talent and hard work... and there is really nothing we can do about it? so we cut off the "reward", like you are suggesting, and then what? he will start a landscaping business like I mentioned in the previous post, is that a better outcome you think? and he technically didn't really break any laws, his parents forced him to come here, they are the ones that broke the law, not him...

[mineistaken]

Disgusting.

[beerptrol]

Keep crying you little bitches! Unlike many american kids he worked hard in school and was rewarded because of his effort

I have no problem with my tax money being used to help someone who wants to educate themself. I do have a problem with my taxes going to subsidize billion dollar companies andmilitary contracts where the gov spends billions of dollars on aircraft that dont work right

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

While the country is broke and Americans whose forefathers founded this nation and paid into the system for generations are being saddled with massive student debt, illegal immigrants are getting $282,220 scholarships and bragging about it on twitter.

Pictures were highlighted by Jared Wyand on Twitter.

California, Minnesota, New Mexico, Texas and Washington all give illegal aliens millions in financial aid. Many states allow illegals (like the ones who rioted last week in San Jose) to get in-state tuition, which is subsidized by taxpayers.

Illegals Openly Brag About $300k Scholarships on Twitter » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE TO SHIT.

So whats the problem? Get 4.0 and you have scholarships from Ivy league private schools. Noooo, instead you smoke marijuana pipes and vote for Sanders.

[Colmike9]

I got a 4.2 senior year. 3.9 I think average, and I just got $1000 for being Italian.......

[Horatio Caine]

Dropouts with GED mad at 4.0 smart kids
Nothing new. Dei 'mgrants waz taking our jobs as bio-chemistry engineers in Harvard research facility. Bastards!

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

I got a 4.2 senior year. 3.9 I think average, and I just got $1000 for being Italian.......

4.0 is max straight A


Grade Point Average Definition - The Glossary of Education Reform

You mad?????

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

4.0 is max straight A


Grade Point Average Definition - The Glossary of Education Reform

You mad?????

Many places are using a 5.0 scale now. I see scores over 4.0 quite often.

GPA Calculator | Iowa State University Admissions

[woj]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

4.0 is max straight A


Grade Point Average Definition - The Glossary of Education Reform

You mad?????

at some schools you can get A+, which counts more than 4.0... but high school GPA is meaningless, class rank is what counts... the guy was #9 out of 100s(?) of students, likely putting him in the top 2-3%....

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

4.0 is max straight A


Grade Point Average Definition - The Glossary of Education Reform

You mad?????

Not with AP classes around here, but thanks.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Sly

Many places are using a 5.0 scale now. I see scores over 4.0 quite often.

GPA Calculator | Iowa State University Admissions

Thats because they count F as a valid grade. Iowa State

Did you miss the Ivy league part.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Sly

Many places are using a 5.0 scale now. I see scores over 4.0 quite often.

GPA Calculator | Iowa State University Admissions

Yeah, we had AP English, Calculus and Physics.

A=5
B=4
C=3
D=2
F=0

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by woj

at some schools you can get A+, which counts more than 4.0... but high school GPA is meaningless, class rank is what counts... the guy was #9 out of 100s(?) of students, likely putting him in the top 2-3%....

True. Meaning not only he has all As, he has 98% - 100% on his finals. Principle's honor roll. Of course this makes truck driving trump supporting rednecks mad. He will be taking their jobs performing heart transplant surgeries or working for NASA.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Yeah, we had AP English, Calculus and Physics.

A=5
B=4
C=3
--------
D=2
F=0 <-------------------- this is your problem

Anything below C at my college prep school was sign towards the exit door.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Anything below C at my college prep school was a sign towards the exit door.

I went to public schools, we didn't have doors..

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

I went to public schools, we didn't have doors..

I know. You had metal detectors.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by woj

while it does seem a bit off, what do you suggest the solution is? clearly the guy is pretty bright, with the right education will likely become a brilliant scientist, engineer or doctor...

so options are more or less:
1. deny him the scholarship, since he wouldn't be able to afford college education otherwise, he will starts a moderately successful landscaping business instead... seems like that would result in wasted talent?
2. we kick him out, he studies in Mexico instead, becomes a successful scientist in Mexico... we gain nothing out of it, Mexico gains a successful scientist... seems like that is not ideal outcome either? seems like it would be in our best interest to keep talented people in the US? and what about the 12+ years we already invested in his education?
3. ??

While I do not like it, I think you are right.

Getting a scholarship doesn't have anything to do with citizenship. They don't ask for documentation when they hand out scholarships.

But this raises a more interesting question.... I am guessing this kid was schooled here in the United States. I know at the very least you a need a birth certificate to get into a school. They ask for it when you first sign your kid up for school. This is done not to verify their citizenship, but instead to verify the kid's parents are in fact the kid's parents. You also need this when you sign up your kid for local sports leagues too. In the case of a school, if they do not have a US birth certificate, they should be required to prove citizenship.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I know. You had metal detectors.

Lol it wasn't THAT bad..

[pimpmaster9000]

God damned illegals getting an education....we shoul put a stop to this so they can become criminals when they cant find a low skilled job in the usa...meanwhile education is free in most countries in the planet grrrrrr wtf?

I am an angry bigot grrrrrr

[dyna mo]

weird how it's OK with some of you that an illegal gets a free ride but no way should public tuition be in any way free, you know, because that creates laziness and you had to walk uphill both ways to get your degree while working 60 hours a week.

[CamTraffic]

It's called "Investing".
Don't you worry, uncle Sam will get him when he starts making the big bucks 10 years from now ;)

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

weird how it's OK with some of you that an illegal gets a free ride but no way should public tuition be in any way free, you know, because that creates laziness and you had to walk uphill both ways to get your degree while working 60 hours a week.

"illegal" is a red herring here...

what happened here is a talented, top of his class, student got a free ride at a private university... given it's a private university, cost to tax payer, if any, is trivial, while the benefits are significant... how could anyone have a problem with that?

on the other hand, costs of giving free higher education to everyone are huge, while the benefits (if there even are any?) aren't clear...

[420]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

weird how it's OK with some of you that an illegal gets a free ride but no way should public tuition be in any way free, you know, because that creates laziness and you had to walk uphill both ways to get your degree while working 60 hours a week.

I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow and I could only afford sandals.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

"illegal" is a red herring here...

what happened here is a talented, top of his class, student got a free ride at a private university... given it's a private university, cost to tax payer, if any, is trivial, while the benefits are significant... how could anyone have a problem with that?

on the other hand, costs of giving free higher education to everyone are huge, while the benefits (if there even are any?) aren't clear...

from my understanding, illegals cost Americans 100s of billions of dollars while only contributing 10s of billions back. the red herring is your's. i also can't find who gave him his scholarship dollars but plenty of public dollars can go to private tuition, including scholarships. i also know of the dream act, which gives public tax dollars to illegals to pay for college.

we also don't know what these illegals are going to major in/graduate with. they could be liberal arts majors. moreover, free tuition can be focused. that's the plan, including HIllary's free tuition plan. it's not willy nilly free tuition.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow and I could only afford sandals.

dad? is that you?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

God damned illegals getting an education....we shoul put a stop to this so they can become criminals when they cant find a low skilled job in the usa...meanwhile education is free in most countries in the planet grrrrrr wtf?

I am an angry bigot grrrrrr

Its free for smart people here too. Those who actually deserve it. You wouldn't qualify and be butthurt like all others in this thread. Kid got 300K to go to Ivy league school. It was either that or university of Belgrade...


























Noooooooooooooot

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

from my understanding, illegals cost Americans 100s of billions of dollars while only contributing 10s of billions back. the red herring is your's. i also can't find who gave him his scholarship dollars but plenty of public dollars can go to private tuition, including scholarships. i also know of the dream act, which gives public tax dollars to illegals to pay for college.

we also don't know what these illegals are going to major in/graduate with. they could be liberal arts majors. moreover, free tuition can be focused. that's the plan, including HIllary's free tuition plan. it's not willy nilly free tuition.

for "illegals" in general that may be true, but even then it's debatable...

but the topic at hand is not "illegals" in general, but this particular "illegal" who happen to be unusually talented and so as a result got a free ride at UPenn... if you were in charge, what would you do with him?

as to focused free tuition, it sounds like a decent idea, I'm open it to it, but only for top students in selected majors... free tuition for everyone on the other hand would be a mistake I think...

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

weird how it's OK with some of you that an illegal gets a free ride but no way should public tuition be in any way free, you know, because that creates laziness and you had to walk uphill both ways to get your degree while working 60 hours a week.

For those with 3.8 and above with legitimate degree - should be free. Every asswipe with pottery design or sociology major deserves to be poor and in debt for the rest of their lives.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

from my understanding, illegals cost Americans 100s of billions of dollars while only contributing 10s of billions back.

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

for "illegals" in general that may be true, but even then it's debatable...

but the topic at hand is not "illegals" in general, but this particular "illegal" who happen to be unusually talented and so as a result got a free ride at UPenn... if you were in charge, what would you do with him?

as to focused free tuition, it sounds like a decent idea, I'm open it to it, but only for top students in selected majors... free tuition for everyone on the other hand would be a mistake I think...

i dont see how it's just about 1 illegal. the op article cites plenty of illegals twitting about free college rides + being illegals, almost like they're snarkily pointing it out.

i don't have an answer for the illegals problem.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

as usual? settle down. you like to think you can participate in higher level thinking threads such as this then you fail to grasp the meaning of phrases like, "it's my understanding". if you'd had attended college, you'd be familiar with the point of that phrase.

besides, you couldn't point to a single time here i've been wrong.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

as usual, i'm right.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

more on how i'm right and you're wrong.


During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:

State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;


The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;


The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest, and;


Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645?index=8711

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

as usual? settle down. you like to think you can participate in higher level thinking threads such as this then you fail to grasp the meaning of phrases like, "it's my understanding". if you'd had attended college, you'd be familiar with the point of that phrase.

besides, you couldn't point to a single time here i've been wrong.

I'm actually one of those kids who got CS Bachelor of Science degree in 4 years taking 18 hours per semester. Didn't have to pay a dime because I had corporate scholarships from EDS and Microsoft. Oh, and I got to wear one of those nice looking scarves around my neck at my graduations. care to share your achievements champ ????

PS: Did I say I'm "legacy" at #1 college prep school in town?

It is my understanding you got an F in debate class at your local community college

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

as usual, i'm right.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I said official government date not some BS from anti-immigration group

Failure

[dyna mo]

so you're saying even with an F in high school debate squad someone still easily beat you in debate.

no wonder you can't win a debate.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I said official government date not some BS from anti-immigration group

Failure

you're not even aware of what you're typing, you seem to think casually mentioning something about Rubio = official government data while you just waxed right past the CBO report. (heads-up: that's the Congressional Budget Office).

[2MuchMark]

A lonnnnnng time ago I was still a network technology consultant, and one of my clients was a major University here in Montreal. While there, there was a long line of about 50 people, who all spoke a foreign language (neither English nor French), all lined up as checks were being handed out. The checks were $8,000 each.

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

as usual, i'm right.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

more on how i'm right and you're wrong.


During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29 reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:

State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;


The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;


The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest, and;


Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645?index=8711

DECEMBER 2007



Let me break it down for you.
Do they pay Federal tax? Oh shit, they do.
Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes | The Fiscal Times

11.8Billion

For instance, most unauthorized
immigrants are prohibited from receiving many of the
benefits that the federal government provides through
Social Security and such need-based programs as Food
Stamps, Medicaid (other than emergency services), and
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. At the same
time, the federal government requires that state and local
governments provide certain services to individuals,
regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay, in
order for those states or localities to participate in some of
its assistance programs.

So this is about local tax vs services. Tiny portion of taxation. Sme states don't have state tax at all. On federal level they pretty much get dick.


Tell me it ain't so...

spending by state and
local governments on services specifically provided to
unauthorized immigrants makes up a small percentage of
those governments’ total spending.

For example, because unauthorized immigrants
are less likely to have health insurance, they are more likely to rely on emergency facilities or public hospitals for treatment of nonemergency illnesses and other
health-related problems

Maybe they don't pay taxes because they are evil.. so fucking evil...

the income that unauthorized immigrants
earn and the taxes they pay also contribute to their
net impact on state and local budgets. Unauthorized
immigrants typically earn less than do native-born citizens
and other immigrant groups and, partly as a result,
they also pay a smaller portion of their income in taxes..

Well fuck no. Most of them live at poverty level yet they don't ask for handouts like brassmonkeys do and they actually have 2 or 3 jobs to support their family in US and where they came from.

Grand finale ......

A related effect is that lower-paying jobs also result in
unauthorized immigrants’ having less disposable income
to spend on purchases subject to sales or use taxes. State
and local governments typically rely more heavily on revenues
from those and other sources (such as property
taxes) than revenues generated by taxes on income

I guess it help reading entire document not first paragraph only...


Undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to state and local taxes, collectively paying an estimated $11.84 billion in 2012.
The effective state and local tax rate for undocumented immigrants’ nationwide is about 8 percent.

Historical Average Federal Tax Rates for All Households | Tax Policy Center

Average income tax rate for DOCUMENTED families living just below middle class line is 7%




Have a good day Bud ...

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

so you're saying even with an F in high school debate squad someone still easily beat you in debate.

no wonder you can't win a debate.

I just did. Just by reading and comprehending your own link. Thats why you had F.

Your denial is amusing..

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're not even aware of what you're typing, you seem to think casually mentioning something about Rubio = official government data while you just waxed right past the CBO report. (heads-up: that's the Congressional Budget Office).

No, you silly. Its twisted interpretation of redneck society of FAIR.

They also had F in debate class.

These guys. Straight outa Wal Mart.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by woj

being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?

All he had to do is read entire report and not the first paragraph only. Its all there

[dyna mo]

all that frantic googling on dodging and deflecting your original premise.

i hope you code better than you debate

here i'll refresh your memory of where you went wrong:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

from my understanding, illegals cost Americans 100s of billions of dollars while only contributing 10s of billions back.

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

As usual you got it wrong. Read Rubio's reports and then come back. After all he was THE Immigration expert to go to in these elections.

[inabon]

Now this really made me laugh

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

came to the wonderful land of america

America is the whole continent man you live in The United States of North America

Get it right people and you will see how scholarships will start going to more north americans LOL

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

being able to locate a study that supports your opinion doesn't make you "right"... like I said, it's debatable...

for starters there isn't anything particularly unique about "illegals"... they happen to work in low income industries, and so the taxes they pay are limited... but same can be said about ANY low income worker, independent of their legal status, race, etc...

so if "illegals" are a "burden", then ANY low income worker is a "burden" too... "illegals" account for perhaps 3% of US population and according to your study "cost" everyone else 100B or so... but total percentage of low income families is perhaps 20-25%...

how do you feel about the other ~20% "parasites" (for lack a of better word) that cost everyone according to your study's conclusions 700B or more? Could it be the case that the study is flawed and that ~20% of US population are not actually "parasites" like the study implies? Maybe the study fails to take some contributions by low income workers, which include "illegals", into account?

ok. but the CBO report certainly proves me right along with the fact that no one has proven me wrong.