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fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lagwagon

Hi Fred, No intention to thread jack, but do you have a link to portfolio? Also where are you based? Good luck!

Not sure if this is Rob from ftvgirls.
I dont really use the boards..but learned that it is good to read them..ha ha
We shoot for different clients..but u can have a look at babes.com. We shoot most of the content on this site.
Also shoot for a bunch of other clients.
You can contact me directly. [email protected]

fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If they didn't pay you you own the copyright still

Sell it to someone that pays for your copyright.
Talk to your lawyer ...

If someone uses your content without paying you for it -- you can sue them for copyright infringement too.

Kim only buy licensed from me...never exclusive.
I own all copyrights of the content.
He has no right to publish content without paying for it.

fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You know about your dealings with them. As the content world went digital 10 years age. I suggest you know very little of him today.

ATK have a history of not paying.

Fred, do you have back ups of the content you show for them?

If so you can at least look for a new buyer. If not,

Hi Paul.
Kim only buy licensed from me...but he bought quite a lot of content.
I have backup on all the content.

fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 05:44 AM

Kim from ATK replied to me and told me he would start to pay me within 30 days..so I keep my fingers crossed.
Let everyone know what happens..
Thanks for all the support

Matyko · 06-12-2016, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fred_anderson

Kim from ATK replied to me and told me he would start to pay me within 30 days..so I keep my fingers crossed.
Let everyone know what happens..
Thanks for all the support

Good Luck for you to get paid for real!

fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Good Luck for you to get paid for real!

Thanks..
Much appreciated

sinclair · 06-12-2016, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fred_anderson

Kim from ATK replied to me and told me he would start to pay me within 30 days..so I keep my fingers crossed.
Let everyone know what happens..
Thanks for all the support

Best of luck Fred. I was in a similar situation years ago, they eventually made good on all outstanding invoices.

I cant say I'd ever do business with them again... at least under the current 'shoot first, pay later' deal but at least they made good on debt owed. More than can be said about a lot of people currently in the industry.

NemesisEnforcer · 06-12-2016, 10:00 AM

We need a wall of shame for stuff like this,

myjah · 06-12-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Sidebar story - a regular GFY guy emailed me a while back saying that he was going to visit LA and wanted to hire a hair/makeup artist.... and asked if I could recommend someone that was "reasonably priced". I mentioned that $500 is typical for good hair/makeup artist but he may be able to get one cheaper. In fact, I gave him an email of a hair/makeup artist that would probably do it a bit cheaper. I thought the guy was going to shit his pants. He replied back saying that this rate was "insane". That models & producers are much more highly valued to him than makeup artist. Says that he'll just do the hair/makeup himself. Obviously $500 for a highly skilled hair/makeup artist was not a reasonable rate for him to pay although I and many others have no problem paying that. The point is that just because you think a reasonable rate is reasonable - it may not be to others.

Hope you are well man

$500 for a skilled hair/makeup artist was the going rate 10 years ago...you may get them cheaper, but when it comes to hair and makeup artists, you absolutely get what you pay for.

I guess I'm shocked that the price hasn't increased since then.

fred_anderson · 06-12-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sinclair

Best of luck Fred. I was in a similar situation years ago, they eventually made good on all outstanding invoices.

I cant say I'd ever do business with them again... at least under the current 'shoot first, pay later' deal but at least they made good on debt owed. More than can be said about a lot of people currently in the industry.

Thanks a lot..
Glad Kim paid u before....means there is still hope for me..ha ha

Jim_Gunn · 06-12-2016, 04:11 PM

Not at all surprised to see the topic of ATK non-payment to producers come back around again. If o.p. is lucky he'll get paid off all or most of his balance in dribs and drabs for the next year or more. Maybe sooner if Kim is irked by yet another message board post calling him out publicly. I'd say ashamed instead of irked, but I think he's far past that point nowadays.

Kim mostly paid of his large debt to me over the last few years in small and irregular payments but still owes me a small balance of $900 from 2013 that I pretty much gave up hope of ever collecting. It's not like he doesn't have the money- Marco's comments about Kim's proclivities and spending habits are only the tip of the iceberg on why people should be wary of doing business with him.

astronaut x · 06-12-2016, 06:01 PM

I hate to see stuff like this, but at the same time, we should all be concerned about every accusation regarding non payment. There seems to be a strong mentality in this industry of "if it didn't happen to me, then it didn't happen."

DBS.US · 06-12-2016, 09:20 PM

Any time someone owes me money, I go to their home Sunday morning, knock on their door, and ask for my money.

Paul Markham · 06-12-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fred_anderson

Hi Paul.
Kim only buy licensed from me...but he bought quite a lot of content.
I have backup on all the content.

Good for you. You can always sell it to other people.

Paul Markham · 06-12-2016, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by myjah

$500 for a skilled hair/makeup artist was the going rate 10 years ago...you may get them cheaper, but when it comes to hair and makeup artists, you absolutely get what you pay for.

I guess I'm shocked that the price hasn't increased since then.

There were a lot of sites who were only interested in the price of content. Solo girl set and video at $300 a scene or less was their aim. Their member's areas all looked the same, the scenes looked the same, the quality was low. Retention awful.

They're mostly gone now. Tubes killed them.

I'm so glad for the majority of my career I didn't have to sell to them.

Paul Markham · 06-13-2016, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Not at all surprised to see the topic of ATK non-payment to producers come back around again. If o.p. is lucky he'll get paid off all or most of his balance in dribs and drabs for the next year or more. Maybe sooner if Kim is irked by yet another message board post calling him out publicly. I'd say ashamed instead of irked, but I think he's far past that point nowadays.

Kim mostly paid of his large debt to me over the last few years in small and irregular payments but still owes me a small balance of $900 from 2013 that I pretty much gave up hope of ever collecting. It's not like he doesn't have the money- Marco's comments about Kim's proclivities and spending habits are only the tip of the iceberg on why people should be wary of doing business with him.

He will stitch up the people who he relies on to produce the product to finance his habits. When will he stitch up affiliates?

JSWENSON · 06-13-2016, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Sorry to hear about you not be in paid Fred that's gotta hurt.

There's no excuse for someone who's making money off what you created not to pay you for 6 months. Ignoring you will only make things worse for them, very unfortunate.

I don't know OP, Kim or most commenting here but this sentiment is a bit ridiculous. Businesses often pay invoices late to very late in every industry. Cashflow is erratic at times, critical things are paid first, etc. This is not limited to porn and it is no sign of the health of a business no matter what the story is with this guy.

Paul Markham · 06-13-2016, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fred_anderson

Kim from ATK replied to me and told me he would start to pay me within 30 days..so I keep my fingers crossed.
Let everyone know what happens..
Thanks for all the support

Will be interesting to see if he keeps his word.

nikki99 · 06-13-2016, 01:59 AM

hope u get paid if so means GFY really works for a better industry

SpicyM · 06-13-2016, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I mentioned that $500 is typical for good hair/makeup artist but he may be able to get one cheaper.

$500 per what? Per day?
Guess it also depends on where you live

Jim_Gunn · 06-13-2016, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

I don't know OP, Kim or most commenting here but this sentiment is a bit ridiculous. Businesses often pay invoices late to very late in every industry. Cashflow is erratic at times, critical things are paid first, etc. This is not limited to porn and it is no sign of the health of a business no matter what the story is with this guy.

Absolutely preposterous nonsense that you're spouting. I've been in the porn business for over twenty-five years dealing with dozens of different companies in that time and have never experienced anything like this. So yes, it does say a lot about a person and their business when they rip people off or drag vendors out for years. Maybe you sympathize because you're a deadbeat yourself?

CaptainHowdy · 06-13-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fred_anderson

Kim from ATK replied to me and told me he would start to pay me within 30 days..so I keep my fingers crossed.
Let everyone know what happens..
Thanks for all the support

Keep us posted

.

marcop · 06-13-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Marco's comments about Kim's proclivities and spending habits are only the tip of the iceberg on why people should be wary of doing business with him.

"...only the tip of the iceberg..." You're obviously hinting at something, Jim. I wonder what it could be?

Pseudonymous · 06-13-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

"Reasonable money" is a subjective term that means different things to different people. Your offer may have been reasonable to you, but not to the other party. I get hit up all the time from people who want to hire me to shoot this & that. After I find out more about the project and give them a ballpark figure, I never hear from them again. I thought my fee was reasonable - they didn't. Or I get hit up from somebody who wants me to shoot a day full of content for 1/3 of what I would typically charge - that's not reasonable to me. I don't really see much of anything that's funny about this - it's just business. What kind of world would he have if we all agreed that a reasonable offer was reasonable?

Sidebar story - a regular GFY guy emailed me a while back saying that he was going to visit LA and wanted to hire a hair/makeup artist.... and asked if I could recommend someone that was "reasonably priced". I mentioned that $500 is typical for good hair/makeup artist but he may be able to get one cheaper. In fact, I gave him an email of a hair/makeup artist that would probably do it a bit cheaper. I thought the guy was going to shit his pants. He replied back saying that this rate was "insane". That models & producers are much more highly valued to him than makeup artist. Says that he'll just do the hair/makeup himself. Obviously $500 for a highly skilled hair/makeup artist was not a reasonable rate for him to pay although I and many others have no problem paying that. The point is that just because you think a reasonable rate is reasonable - it may not be to others.

Hope you are well man

I still stand by that to be honest, i always pay above going rates for things because i dont cheap out. I find its more expensive to be cheap and you typically get what you pay for. But I still dont agree hair/makeup people should charge that much if youre going for a semi natural look which alot of big companies are doing these days. If youre a company like brazzers who needs to turn average girls into hot girls, i would understand but i only work with naturally beautiful girls and the going rate is still 500/day for us, and that is why im training my own ex models to do jobs like that. Like myjah said, that was the rate when all of us were making a fortune in porn, shes shocked it hasn't gone up, im shocked it hasn't gone down. Producers and makeup artists are similar in that they tend to look for similar or more money in a declining market , due to less and less work to keep themselves in the game, instead of their pay fluctuating with the market to have it make financial sense. I can't count how many makeup artists and producers would get more work if they priced themselves more accordingly. This is why companies are going inhouse and most of them judge from the sidelines. You need to have it make financial sense for the businesses to hire you

Everybody told me starting out how hard everything was in porn, but in reality, its not hard, its hard in porn standards. A standard that was created when things were easy as hell, still to this day, i don't think people realize what things should cost due to the rates that created when money was flowing. 500/day for a skill that 1/3 of every 25 year old girl i know has in town, theres a school out here and im almost sure that 1/3 of attractive girls who dont have a career find themselves at, so i dont think its a trade that demands 500 day, which is like 250 hourly. If that person was fully booked up 5 days a week, they would be paid 10,000 a month. they aren't though because the lacking market, however we're supposed to pay them to make up for that? Its just not logical. With all that said, this is the reason i do hair/makeup myself, decided to take up production myself, recruiting myself, etc etc because , it simply isn't as hard as people make it out to be. I find the people attracted to the adult industry are ones without much work ethic due to the low investment/high reward. This isn't coming from an owner who is too cheap to pay, this is coming from somebody who has worked with l.a pornstars and playboy models, fact is, most people in this industry are overpaid for their skill level. There are millions of people that are better photographers than even the most skilled adult photographer, there are millions of hair/makeup people who will accept 1/10th of what adult MUA's get paid. And its the same in the marketing world, its why companies went with cheap mainstream workers for affiliate marketing

But you are right, its a good example of how its quite the subjective term.

Pseudonymous · 06-13-2016, 12:40 PM

The fact that some people are being paid the same as they were being paid in the peak of this industry is quite shocking.

SpicyM · 06-13-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

The fact that some people are being paid the same as they were being paid in the peak of this industry is quite shocking.

I can get the makeup done for $30 per girl, lol.

SpicyM · 06-13-2016, 07:23 PM

I mean, 30? ...

ezgirl · 08-29-2016, 08:49 AM

So Fred got paid, but are other producers getting paid? I'm not.

JFK · 08-29-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I hope you get paid ... someday.

Forkbeard · 08-29-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Businesses often pay invoices late to very late in every industry. Cashflow is erratic at times, critical things are paid first, etc. This is not limited to porn and it is no sign of the health of a business

Absolutely preposterous nonsense that you're spouting. I've been in the porn business for over twenty-five years dealing with dozens of different companies in that time and have never experienced anything like this. So yes, it does say a lot about a person and their business when they rip people off or drag vendors out for years. Maybe you sympathize because you're a deadbeat yourself?

Indeed preposterous. Anybody who has ever run a business knows that the first sign you get that somebody you do business with is failing is when their payments on invoices start to drag. Smart business people use those early clues to tighten up or stop extending credit altogether. When it hurts is when the first invoice to drag is huge because the outfit always had a good payment history previously.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2016, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ezgirl

So Fred got paid, but are other producers getting paid? I'm not.

Did he?

Kim seems to be the type of person who wants to run his business on other people's money. Why anyone gives this guy credit is beyond me. Cash up front or fuck off.

NatalieK · 08-30-2016, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jerkules

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-shooters.html It is from 2013.

how does a big company like this get away with that

marcop · 08-31-2016, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Kim seems to be the type of person who wants to run his business on other people's money. Why anyone gives this guy credit is beyond me. Cash up front or fuck off.

About a week ago I saw a girl on Twitter thanking him for the gifts she received when she shot for ATK Girlfriends (which stars Kim as the male talent)... so it seems that buying gifts for the porn girls he bangs is way more important to him than paying his content shooters--some of whom have worked for him for years.

ladida · 08-31-2016, 12:32 PM

You know times are rough when you gota star as male talent. Or are they?

nakeddutch · 08-31-2016, 01:04 PM

ofcourse they do! they paid me 1 million last year!

Paul Markham · 09-01-2016, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by marcop

About a week ago I saw a girl on Twitter thanking him for the gifts she received when she shot for ATK Girlfriends (which stars Kim as the male talent)... so it seems that buying gifts for the porn girls he bangs is way more important to him than paying his content shooters--some of whom have worked for him for years.

Got a link?

marcop · 09-01-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Got a link?

No, I can't remember the girl's name.

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astronaut x Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: From this www and beyond! Posts: 4,844	I hate to see stuff like this, but at the same time, we should all be concerned about every accusation regarding non payment. There seems to be a strong mentality in this industry of "if it didn't happen to me, then it didn't happen."

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