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CaptainHowdy · 06-22-2016, 02:39 PM

Fiddy expensive water bottles ...

Quine · 06-22-2016, 02:46 PM

Tough Luck

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"What if a poor person gets sick, doesn't have insurance, and can't get friends, family, or charity to pay for treatment?"

"What if an elderly person gets defrauded out of his entire retirement and the perpetrator vanishes into thin air?"

"What if a child is starving on the street, and no one voluntarily feeds him?"

"What if someone just can't find a job?"

If you're a libertarian, you face what-ifs like this all the time. The point, normally, is to make you say, "Tough luck" and look like a monster. What puzzles me, though, is why libertarians rarely ask analogous questions. Like:

"What if Congress passes an unjust law, the President signs it, and the Supreme Court upholds it?"

"What if the government conscripts you to fight in an unjust war, and you die a horrible death?"

"What if a poor person drinks and gambles away his welfare check?"

"What if the government denies you permission to legally work?"

"What if the President decides your ethnicity is a national security risk and puts you in a concentration camp, and the Supreme Court declares his action constitutional?"

"What if a person lives an extremely unhealthy lifestyle, so by the time they're retired, they're in constant pain no matter how generous their Medicare coverage is?"

"What happens if a President lies to start a war, and voters don't particularly care?"

Once you start the what-if game, it's hard to stop. Name any political system. I can generate endless hypotheticals to aggravate its supporters. The right lesson to draw: Every political perspective eventually has to say "Tough luck" when confronted with well-crafted what-ifs. There's nothing uniquely hard-hearted or cruel about libertarianism. Defenders of democracy, nationalism, liberalism, conservatism, the American Constitution, and social democracy all eventually sigh, "Life's not fair," or "Well, what do you want me to do about it?"

The obvious reply is that some of these hypotheticals are more realistic than others. But that puts the critics of libertarianism on extremely thin ice. None of my alternate what-ifs are fanciful. Several of them - lethal conscription, unhealthy lifestyles, denying foreigners the right to work, mendacious wars - have happened or continue to happen on a massive scale in the most democratic nations on earth. In contrast, we've never seen a rich, modern, libertarian society. For all we know, private charity in Libertopia would more than suffice to end absolute poverty. Stranger things have happened.

Why the double standard? The root, I suspect, is status quo bias. Most people tolerate the unpleasant ramifications of the status quo because they're used to them. You might get conscripted and die a horrible death? Oh well, that's life. Most people won't tolerate the unpleasant ramifications of libertarianism because they're used to a world where government says, "We'll never let that happen." But what's so great about that assurance, when it's bundled with a long list of other evils that governments blithely tolerate - or actively commit on a grand scale every day?

onwebcam · 06-22-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

despite my right-of-center leanings, i believe in single payer exactly because of this...healthcare is defacto a monopoly/oligopoly model, with pointless financing mechanisms like insurers & them making profits for bankrolling a severely price gouged procedure, or drug, just absurd to let the private sector ransack a persons health needs with giant profits. our health system is like the cable TV model on steroids.

one of my big obama letdowns was when he never fought for the public option. shameful, & it was democrats that killed it in the senate...max baucus, specifically.

...gotta get to single payer, with a private mechanism for moneyed people that can pay for primo care.

Icing on the cake is he had just had his whole income tax return ate up by Obama care fines. I think the fines will eventually be the nail in the coffin for it. At his age health insurance was the last thing on my mind. The company he worked for last year actually provided insurance but he missed the deadline for signing up for it so he went without it all year. Lost his job around the first of the year, hit with Obama fines and a $30,000 hospital bill. Needless to say he's not a fan of Obamacare.

crockett · 06-22-2016, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

no, worse..much worse. think no electricity, no running water, no garbage collection no services whatsoever.

i hate paying for leeches as much as anyone and i would love it if everyone would pay their own way as it should be but its just never going to happen and if we don't take care of these losers to some degree we will end up in even worse shit, in my opinion.

This is,why libertarianism is a fairytale. If you want to look at what happens when the people have to take care of themselves and the govt does nothing.. Go visit Somalia..

ITraffic · 06-22-2016, 05:18 PM

adapt or die.

poncabare · 06-22-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Take care of yourself and your own and don't expect the government or anyone else to give a fuck.

wouldnt this be nice

Bladewire · 06-22-2016, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Fiddy expensive water bottles ...

crockett · 06-22-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by poncabare

wouldnt this be nice

It's easy to say take care of yourself until you find your self in a flipped over car all mangled up waiting on someone to help you..

TCLGirls · 06-22-2016, 08:51 PM

Ask galleryseek, the self avowed anarchist, what he thinks about privatized police. Then ask him how he proposes to prevent aggression against those who cannot afford the privatized police. Then watch him disappear.

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Paul Markham · 06-23-2016, 02:02 AM

Was the person charged a taxpayer?

Income tax, State Tax, sales tax, fuel tax, etc?

In the rest of the educated world, he would have been given the treatment free, even if a migrant. Because it's cheaper n the long run and saves lives.

Only the US has a system so stupid that it makes things worse for ordinary people. To make a tiny percent very rich.

Relic · 07-12-2016, 08:31 PM

Does your vehicle home smell?

crockett · 07-12-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Relic

Does your vehicle home smell?

Ahh look, I made a fake nick cry...

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07-12-2016, 08:31 PM	#61
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