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DrJsn · 09-01-2016, 11:10 AM

A person can believe in God without being religious. Throughout history Religious texts have been manipulated to suit the ends of their leaders at the time. I don't think its right to let the worlds religions taint "God"

You can't blame God for everything bad that religion has done and the mixed messages they send or the books man wrote.

You also can't say because evolution is one-in-a-billion chance of happening or that because there are infinite amount of dead planets, that there can be no God.

The universe could be like a Rube Goldberg Machine. It was set in motion and now its just got to play out. Without interference from any gods.

There are theories about the Multiverse, which is multiple universes at the same time, an infinite amount of universes. Our concept of space and time is so limited that we can't even begin to understand what's really going on. Maybe each universe is a unique "experiment" Does that mean there can't be a god?

Perhaps one day science will be used to prove the existense of God. God may not be an entity or being the way the religions depict "him". God may be a force energy or field of consciousness of some sort that is more scientific than religious.

Just thing about the Big Bang. All the energy and matter that has ever existed and will ever existed sprang forth in a great explosion of light. Science says you cannot create or destroy energy, and you cannot get energy from nothing.

All that energy and matter came from somewhere, where did it come from and why?

SilentKnight · 09-01-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the latest thoughts on the big bang are: it happened because it could. where did all the crap come from that blew up? over my paygrade

Don't tell nobody...I have it from a good source it came from Ikea.

Just like Ed Norton found out in Fight Club.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2016, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

I don't believe in god. But just like no one can prove that one does exist I can't say for certain that one doesn't.

But just look at what these "enlightened" individuals have to say about related matters:

Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks there?s a ?very high? chance the universe is just a simulation

We are ?almost definitely? living in a Matrix-style simulation, claims Elon Musk

They are basicallly saying they believe in a god or creator because someone or something had to create the simulation and that someone or something is effectively "god".

Let's assume some entity outside the natural world created the Universe. Obviously, they didn't have much more to do with it after that. Other than watching it develop for itself.

As for the Earth and Homo Sapiens. Zero evidence. So what is very provable is all the religions that have sprung up and our concept of a god-type entity is complete bull shit. So once you disprove the concept of a god. Why believe any god exists?As for a Matrix-style simulation.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I love how you have assigned task to a god you don't believe in... he did this but not this lol!! Paul and I are in email confab.. great fun

Good point. I see god as a fictional figure. Invented to make money.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2016, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Ma, you prefer to use bronze age physics and a moral/social tale with historic liberties written 2600 years ago to stop the allowance of god? that's fuckin awesome!

The myth of god goes back to the stone age. You will find that in a recent email.

You're using that myth to create your idea of a god. Madalton is pointing how logic destroys the myth.

Maybe you can tell us what god means to you, how he changes your life and if you go to a church which one.

The last part is the missing link. With roughly 1/3 of those claiming to believe in god. They're very reluctant to say what they believe.

They use the tactic of challenging logic and the obvious, to detract proving their argument. When faced with science, they dismiss it with a shrug and no counter debate. To keep making us prove what doesn't exist, doesn't exist.

So Grapesoda. Prove god does exist in any form you choose.

OK he exists as a fictional character. Got it.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2016, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you are having a serious issue here Paul, you are repeating the words of men and blaming god for saying them... never stand up in court that's a fact

and nature runs exactly as it has been designed to do. and I use design in terms of finished product, not in terms of a project to complete.

As the only evidence of a god or gods are words of men. what else is there?

You are taking those words, which go back before the invention of writing and hanging a fictional character onto them. Where else would you get the concept of a god?

Paul Markham · 09-02-2016, 10:29 PM

The amazing bit about this debate is the lack of posters who believe, explaining what they believe in.

It's easy to shoot down the religion when people state what they believe it is. Abrahamic religions are clearly Ancient Myths and it takes no time to prove the stories are based on falsehoods. Which is why so few say "I'm a Christian".

But when people say I believe in something, but don't say much about what that something is, other than the ability to talk to oneself via prayer.

Do they believe the good and bad things are the work of some power we don't know about? If so, explain.

More than "we can never explain IT's actions" Because that's BS amnd uses the tool ancient rulers used to scare the peasants.

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09-01-2016, 11:10 AM	#101
DrJsn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 156	A person can believe in God without being religious. Throughout history Religious texts have been manipulated to suit the ends of their leaders at the time. I don't think its right to let the worlds religions taint "God" You can't blame God for everything bad that religion has done and the mixed messages they send or the books man wrote. You also can't say because evolution is one-in-a-billion chance of happening or that because there are infinite amount of dead planets, that there can be no God. The universe could be like a Rube Goldberg Machine. It was set in motion and now its just got to play out. Without interference from any gods. There are theories about the Multiverse, which is multiple universes at the same time, an infinite amount of universes. Our concept of space and time is so limited that we can't even begin to understand what's really going on. Maybe each universe is a unique "experiment" Does that mean there can't be a god? Perhaps one day science will be used to prove the existense of God. God may not be an entity or being the way the religions depict "him". God may be a force energy or field of consciousness of some sort that is more scientific than religious. Just thing about the Big Bang. All the energy and matter that has ever existed and will ever existed sprang forth in a great explosion of light. Science says you cannot create or destroy energy, and you cannot get energy from nothing. All that energy and matter came from somewhere, where did it come from and why?