ATK does not pay there photographers

[fred_anderson]

My name is Fred Anderson.
Shoot content for sites like playboyplus, babes, twistys, metart, mplstudios etc.
Dont really post on forums...but see no other option.
Want to bring up to the public that Kim Nielsen that own ATK does not pay his photographers. Know he own many photographers money. He published my licensed content back in January 2016...but have still not paid us for the content. Tried to write him several times..but he just ignore my emails. Have waited for the payment for more then 6 months...and he dont even care to reply to me. Would like to tell to other people to not doing business with his company. ATK was once very good...but the last years it went downhill for sure.
He own me about 5k usd + another 20k usd to my friend.
Any advice how to get him to pay ?

[DeanCapture]

So sorry to hear about this Fred. I have no idea how to get him to pay. I've heard many stories the last few years about how he's fallen behind on paying people. You're not the first person to call him out in public hoping for a resolution. Good luck to you man!!!

[MaDalton]

You should read the boards a little more.

[fred_anderson]

Guess so...never read the boards.

[fred_anderson]

Thanks Dean.
My mistake..should never gave Kim any content in advance without asking for prepayment. Learned my lesson..

[Colmike9]

Legal action.

Or maybe call Mindgeek?..

[JimmyStephans]

Fred,
Sorry to hear about that payment issue. I've known Kim for 17 years. At one point, way back when photographers still used film, my lab did a large part of the film processing and scanning for ATK / Kim.

Over the years there have been periods where ATK cash flow is lower than expected, legal fees fighting piracy are higher than expected, the balances end up below what is hoped, and payments to some fall months behind.

He has never failed to catch up when he could. Unfortunately the time it takes to catch-up / balance out grows longer as site memberships are killed by free porn and piracy.

Hang in there.

[Hannes]

check up the business section, you should find something there.

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Fred,
Sorry to hear about that payment issue. I've known Kim for 17 years. At one point, way back when photographers still used film, my lab did a large part of the film processing and scanning for ATK / Kim.

Over the years there have been periods where ATK cash flow is lower than expected, legal fees fighting piracy are higher than expected, the balances end up below what is hoped, and payments to some fall months behind.

He has never failed to catch up when he could. Unfortunately the time it takes to catch-up / balance out grows longer as site memberships are killed by free porn and piracy.

Hang in there.

Thanks Jimmy.
Dont need the money directly...can wait. just bug me that he dont reply to me at all..very irritating. At least he could write me and explain the situation..make some type of payment plan over several months or something like that.

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by Gallag97

check up the business section, you should find something there.

will do.
Thanks.

[xXXtesy10]

[Bladewire]

Sorry to hear about you not be in paid Fred that's gotta hurt.

There's no excuse for someone who's making money off what you created not to pay you for 6 months. Ignoring you will only make things worse for them, very unfortunate.

[mikesouth]

Over the last few years I have had more complaints about this guy not paying than everyone else combined. Written about it several times too...this is one person you should avoid unless you want to work for free

[j3rkules]

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-shooters.html It is from 2013.

[BJ]

fucking assholes. You have to be a real shithead to consciously and knowingly hire anyone without the intention of paying on time.

Miss a a mortgage payment if you have to. Don't be a fuckwit and screw your bread and butter.

Should also never do anything on credit, this is a trend in ALL industries. Get at least 50% down.

good luck

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Sorry to hear about you not be in paid Fred that's gotta hurt.

There's no excuse for someone who's making money off what you created not to pay you for 6 months. Ignoring you will only make things worse for them, very unfortunate.

Think it is very low from Kim to not reply to me. Not the way to make business.
I am sure we can agree about some payment plan...but ofcourse he needs to write me back first.
If something happens I let everybody know ofcourse..
Keep my fingers crossed
Thanks for the kind words..much appreciated.

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Over the last few years I have had more complaints about this guy not paying than everyone else combined. Written about it several times too...this is one person you should avoid unless you want to work for free

Should had read the boards as Stefan from amazing content wrote before.
It is good that we spread the word that they dont pay...hopefully it help other people.

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by BJ

fucking assholes. You have to be a real shithead to consciously and knowingly hire anyone without the intention of paying on time.

Miss a a mortgage payment if you have to. Don't be a fuckwit and screw your bread and butter.

Should also never do anything on credit, this is a trend in ALL industries. Get at least 50% down.

good luck

Kim Nielsen is an asshole for sure...
50% upfront is a good idea as u say.

[CaptainHowdy]

I hope you get paid ... someday.

[Markul]

Oh the irony!

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Fred,
Sorry to hear about that payment issue. I've known Kim for 17 years. At one point, way back when photographers still used film, my lab did a large part of the film processing and scanning for ATK / Kim.

Over the years there have been periods where ATK cash flow is lower than expected, legal fees fighting piracy are higher than expected, the balances end up below what is hoped, and payments to some fall months behind.

He has never failed to catch up when he could. Unfortunately the time it takes to catch-up / balance out grows longer as site memberships are killed by free porn and piracy.

Hang in there.

So its the producers problem and basically they are investing in the company.?

[Axeman]

Good luck Fred. Hope you get paid soon. You are always so easy to work with.

[BJ]

cocaine........ my guess

[marcop]

Originally Posted by fred_anderson

My name is Fred Anderson.
Shoot content for sites like playboyplus, babes, twistys, metart, mplstudios etc.
Dont really post on forums...but see no other option.
Want to bring up to the public that Kim Nielsen that own ATK does not pay his photographers. Know he own many photographers money. He published my licensed content back in January 2016...but have still not paid us for the content. Tried to write him several times..but he just ignore my emails. Have waited for the payment for more then 6 months...and he dont even care to reply to me. Would like to tell to other people to not doing business with his company. ATK was once very good...but the last years it went downhill for sure.
He own me about 5k usd + another 20k usd to my friend.
Any advice how to get him to pay ?

I shot for ATK from 2000 until several months ago, doing 700+ shoots in that time. I stopped shooting for them because it became so hard to get paid, and the payments (when they came) arrived erratically. The final invoice I submitted took over two months to be paid--and arrived over a month after all the content had appeared on the site--and then was $300 short.

I've been contacted by several ATK shooters over the last year asking if I'm getting paid, and telling me their stories. From what I've heard, I've been lucky because Nielsen owes people money from years ago, and some shooters owed money have actually given up ever getting paid. There was a thread started a couple years ago about this (by Sinclair, I believe), and several shooters posted there that ATK also was not paying them... I looked for the thread, but can't find it.

The payment issue aside, I've heard from people in the know that things at ATK are really bad, and that for a number of years Nielsen has made questionable, if not bizarre, business decisions that have negatively impacted ATK.

[JimmyStephans]

Originally Posted by amacontent

So its the producers problem and basically they are investing in the company.?

Oh heck no... I didn't mean for my reply to sound that way. I wasn't assigning blame. I was explaining the history of Kim and ATK as I've known it over a long period of time.

Just a few post above is a link to a 2013 thread on the same topic. It is my understanding they finally got paid.

But no, I didn't mean it was Fred's own fault or that he needs to write it off and move on. Just the opposite - that if he can hang in there my history, and what I've read, seems to indicate the money will eventually come.

For now - Fred should likely be working with other sites - assuming they are interested in his work (I've never seen it).

[marcop]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Fred,
Sorry to hear about that payment issue. I've known Kim for 17 years. At one point, way back when photographers still used film, my lab did a large part of the film processing and scanning for ATK / Kim.

Over the years there have been periods where ATK cash flow is lower than expected, legal fees fighting piracy are higher than expected, the balances end up below what is hoped, and payments to some fall months behind.

He has never failed to catch up when he could. Unfortunately the time it takes to catch-up / balance out grows longer as site memberships are killed by free porn and piracy.

Hang in there.

What do you know about ATK's shooters getting paid? You did a lot of business with him 15 years ago.. well, things change... people change. Your platitudes about piracy and "never failed to catch up when he could" are ignorant nonsense.

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Just a few post above is a link to a 2013 thread on the same topic. It is my understanding they finally got paid.

But no, I didn't mean it was Fred's own fault or that he needs to write it off and move on. Just the opposite - that if he can hang in there my history, and what I've read, seems to indicate the money will eventually come..

Not all of them got paid, not all of them got paid in full. Some of the shooters are still owed money from that time; some have given up getting paid, some are hoping they will, finally, get paid.

From what you've read, the money will eventually come? I don't know what you've been reading, but it's not what I've been reading, seeing, or hearing about this.

[JimmyStephans]

marcop,
I'm sorry to have upset you so much. It was never my intention to see you, or anybody, have their Saturday distracted by my posts. I was speaking from my experience - which appears to be much different than yours.

My experience is also much more recent than you seem to think. My most recent transaction with Kim (ATK) are less than 1 year ago (thereby newer than the 2013 issues we both have referenced) and my more recent dealings with him went very smoothly.

If he owes you, your friends or associates past due payments, I am sorry for that. But, at the same time, please understand: (1) I am not to blame and (2) that being upset that my history with Kim, spanning over 15 years, is different than yours, won't help you or your friends get paid if they are owed.

[JimmyStephans]

Just a funny sidebar to this story.

Back about 2010-2012 I was contacting all sorts of photographers trying to find guys to shoot for me. I'm talking about many of the same guys that shot for ATK, TeenFlood, Karupspc and others along those lines.

Big difference is that my site is very softcore. No toys, no G-G, no B-G, etc. Very soft (easy).

The original offer was 6 photo sets (only 60 images each) and 3 HD videos (just ten minutes each), I pay $1500 (half up front). No big name models needed. No takers. None, and guys would tell me how much they made by shooting for this site or that site, etc.

I raised the offer to $2000, but changed requirements to 5 photo sets and 5 videos. No takers.

For a time I went back to doing it myself before retiring.

Now, many of those same guys (not Fred the OP) are whining about not getting paid from this guy that offered more, or that guy that offered more, or that other company that was bigger (more famous / gonna make them famous), etc. Now, I continue to get emails from those guys looking for work now. My site went to archive status 9 months back.

Just funny how times change. I was flush with cash, closing all my NN stuff, ready to dive full time into TrueBabes and trying to make it more popular, couldn't find any shooters to take the reasonable money I had to offer. Now that I'm older, semi-retired, and more worried about how much Tequila to put in my new blender, there are lots of shooters looking for work.

Ebb and flow of the business I guess.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Just a funny sidebar to this story.

Back about 2010-2012 I was contacting all sorts of photographers trying to find guys to shoot for me. I'm talking about many of the same guys that shot for ATK, TeenFlood, Karupspc and others along those lines.

Big difference is that my site is very softcore. No toys, no G-G, no B-G, etc. Very soft (easy).

The original offer was 6 photo sets (only 60 images each) and 3 HD videos (just ten minutes each), I pay $1500 (half up front). No big name models needed. No takers. None, and guys would tell me how much they made by shooting for this site or that site, etc.

I raised the offer to $2000, but changed requirements to 5 photo sets and 5 videos. No takers.

For a time I went back to doing it myself before retiring.

Now, many of those same guys (not Fred the OP) are whining about not getting paid from this guy that offered more, or that guy that offered more, or that other company that was bigger (more famous / gonna make them famous), etc. Now, I continue to get emails from those guys looking for work now. My site went to archive status 9 months back.

Just funny how times change. I was flush with cash, closing all my NN stuff, ready to dive full time into TrueBabes and trying to make it more popular, couldn't find any shooters to take the reasonable money I had to offer. Now that I'm older, semi-retired, and more worried about how much Tequila to put in my new blender, there are lots of shooters looking for work.

Ebb and flow of the business I guess.

This isn't just a sidebar, you're taking a shot at the content shooters who ignored you and your lame, over-retouched softcore site, and hurt your wittle feelings. Why are you bothering to continue to post this crap? What's the payoff for you?

[JimmyStephans]

marcop,

Again, you are simply reading way too much into my little posts.

No shot at anybody, just a tiny story about ebb and flow of the business.

No payoff for me at all.

And, even though you didn't ask - No its not being posted to upset you, target you or ruin your Saturday.

I don't even know you, don't believe we ever had any dealings, and certainly I'm not responsible for the mood you find yourself in today.

You may have taken my posts way too serious. That anger, sadness and vengeance isn't good for your health. If you don't have the traditional "chill pill" handy, please feel free to swing by for a margarita or two.

[lagwagon]

Hi Fred, No intention to thread jack, but do you have a link to portfolio? Also where are you based? Good luck!

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

...... couldn't find any shooters to take the reasonable money I had to offer.

"Reasonable money" is a subjective term that means different things to different people. Your offer may have been reasonable to you, but not to the other party. I get hit up all the time from people who want to hire me to shoot this & that. After I find out more about the project and give them a ballpark figure, I never hear from them again. I thought my fee was reasonable - they didn't. Or I get hit up from somebody who wants me to shoot a day full of content for 1/3 of what I would typically charge - that's not reasonable to me. I don't really see much of anything that's funny about this - it's just business. What kind of world would he have if we all agreed that a reasonable offer was reasonable?

Sidebar story - a regular GFY guy emailed me a while back saying that he was going to visit LA and wanted to hire a hair/makeup artist.... and asked if I could recommend someone that was "reasonably priced". I mentioned that $500 is typical for good hair/makeup artist but he may be able to get one cheaper. In fact, I gave him an email of a hair/makeup artist that would probably do it a bit cheaper. I thought the guy was going to shit his pants. He replied back saying that this rate was "insane". That models & producers are much more highly valued to him than makeup artist. Says that he'll just do the hair/makeup himself. Obviously $500 for a highly skilled hair/makeup artist was not a reasonable rate for him to pay although I and many others have no problem paying that. The point is that just because you think a reasonable rate is reasonable - it may not be to others.

Hope you are well man

[JimmyStephans]

Dean,
You are correct. I should have been more detailed. I was speaking of shooters with much less skill compared to you - thinking of making the site a sort of ExGF / Amateur site. These same guys are now shooting for much less.

You, on the other hand, may remember that when I wanted your quality level I gladly paid you exactly what you asked for exactly when you asked for it in the exact method you requested.

I should have been more clear that what I was requesting at the time was more "amateur". Same stuff they are now offering to do for half what I offered back then, because the business has "ebbs and flows".

[Horatio Caine]

heard same story from multiple people during last couple of years. Stay away.

[ladida]

For every one that gets paid, there's 10 others that don't.
This basically sums it all up i guess.

[yuu.design]

sad to hear

[mineistaken]

bump for scumbag.

[SBJ]

ATK does not pay there photographers

That is so fucked up! Maybe one day you will get paid and maybe one day you will know the difference between their and there.. But that prolly won't happen the same day.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by SBJ

That is so fucked up! Maybe one day you will get paid and maybe one day you will know the difference between their and there.. But that prolly won't happen the same day.

You should probably show off your grammar abilities, while posting in a second language.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You should probably show off your grammar abilities, while posting in a second language.

Vous devriez probablement montrer vos capacités de grammaire , tout en affichant dans une deuxième langue

[Barry-xlovecam]

If they didn't pay you you own the copyright still
Sell it to someone that pays for your copyright.
Talk to your lawyer ...

If someone uses your content without paying you for it -- you can sue them for copyright infringement too.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

marcop,
I'm sorry to have upset you so much. It was never my intention to see you, or anybody, have their Saturday distracted by my posts. I was speaking from my experience - which appears to be much different than yours.

My experience is also much more recent than you seem to think. My most recent transaction with Kim (ATK) are less than 1 year ago (thereby newer than the 2013 issues we both have referenced) and my more recent dealings with him went very smoothly.

If he owes you, your friends or associates past due payments, I am sorry for that. But, at the same time, please understand: (1) I am not to blame and (2) that being upset that my history with Kim, spanning over 15 years, is different than yours, won't help you or your friends get paid if they are owed.

JimmyStephans,
I'm not upset at you, or angry, or vengeful, I'm more irritated at your smug, condescending tone and passive-aggressiveness. And to clear up any confusion, I'm not owed any money (I've written off the $300 short I mentioned earlier), nor do I have any friends or associates owed any money by him.

As for your smooth dealings with Kim Nielsen, it seems you're not the only one whose interactions with him are all unicorns farting rainbows. Over the past year or two, agents have told me he not only pays them on time and in full, but also remunerates the models for his POV site at about double the normal going rate, which is obviously extremely generous. Also, some of the models hired for that site have gushed about how nice he was, particularly for the Vuitton bags and other such gifts that he bought them, and for the luxury accommodations and high end restaurants they patronized while on location in places like Hawaii, Las Vegas, and even some destinations in the Far East.

Bearing all this in mind, I must admit it seems beyond the realm of credibility that he would be stiffing his content producers. So perhaps those shooters who are whining about not getting paid for months and years are just like the actors and actresses in the two porn features Kim made (at ~$200,000 and ~$300,000 respectively) who complained they didn't get their promised residuals--they're just malcontents.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by marcop

JimmyStephans,
I'm not upset at you, or angry, or vengeful, I'm more irritated at your smug, condescending tone and passive-aggressiveness. And to clear up any confusion, I'm not owed any money (I've written off the $300 short I mentioned earlier), nor do I have any friends or associates owed any money by him.

As for your smooth dealings with Kim Nielsen, it seems you're not the only one whose interactions with him are all unicorns farting rainbows. Over the past year or two, agents have told me he not only pays them on time and in full, but also remunerates the models for his POV site at about double the normal going rate, which is obviously extremely generous. Also, some of the models hired for that site have gushed about how nice he was, particularly for the Vuitton bags and other such gifts that he bought them, and for the luxury accommodations and high end restaurants they patronized while on location in places like Hawaii, Las Vegas, and even some destinations in the Far East.

Bearing all this in mind, I must admit it seems beyond the realm of credibility that he would be stiffing his content producers. So perhaps those shooters who are whining about not getting paid for months and years are just like the actors and actresses in the two porn features Kim made (at ~$200,000 and ~$300,000 respectively) who complained they didn't get their promised residuals--they're just malcontents.

Well that explains where photographers monies are going. We stopped shooting for people unless they can pay 100% up front. Ripped off too many times. We produce top shelf content in "the far east." The hassles involved are not worth the pittance or jerking around you sometimes get from dick bags.
I think Barry said it. If you have not been paid what is owed you still own the content. Most likely. Of course, check with a lawyer.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by BJ

cocaine........ my guess

[Arnox]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Oh heck no... I didn't mean for my reply to sound that way. I wasn't assigning blame. I was explaining the history of Kim and ATK as I've known it over a long period of time.

Just a few post above is a link to a 2013 thread on the same topic. It is my understanding they finally got paid.

But no, I didn't mean it was Fred's own fault or that he needs to write it off and move on. Just the opposite - that if he can hang in there my history, and what I've read, seems to indicate the money will eventually come.

For now - Fred should likely be working with other sites - assuming they are interested in his work (I've never seen it).

You know about your dealings with them. As the content world went digital 10 years age. I suggest you know very little of him today.

ATK have a history of not paying.

Fred, do you have back ups of the content you show for them?

If so you can at least look for a new buyer. If not,

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Just a funny sidebar to this story.

Back about 2010-2012 I was contacting all sorts of photographers trying to find guys to shoot for me. I'm talking about many of the same guys that shot for ATK, TeenFlood, Karupspc and others along those lines.

Big difference is that my site is very softcore. No toys, no G-G, no B-G, etc. Very soft (easy).

The original offer was 6 photo sets (only 60 images each) and 3 HD videos (just ten minutes each), I pay $1500 (half up front). No big name models needed. No takers. None, and guys would tell me how much they made by shooting for this site or that site, etc.

I raised the offer to $2000, but changed requirements to 5 photo sets and 5 videos. No takers.

For a time I went back to doing it myself before retiring.

Now, many of those same guys (not Fred the OP) are whining about not getting paid from this guy that offered more, or that guy that offered more, or that other company that was bigger (more famous / gonna make them famous), etc. Now, I continue to get emails from those guys looking for work now. My site went to archive status 9 months back.

Just funny how times change. I was flush with cash, closing all my NN stuff, ready to dive full time into TrueBabes and trying to make it more popular, couldn't find any shooters to take the reasonable money I had to offer. Now that I'm older, semi-retired, and more worried about how much Tequila to put in my new blender, there are lots of shooters looking for work.

Ebb and flow of the business I guess.

Maybe the people you were approaching were getting better-paid work and were being paid. Nopw they're not.

$2,000 for 5 sets and videos. Is a piss poor price for the product.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Dean,
You are correct. I should have been more detailed. I was speaking of shooters with much less skill compared to you - thinking of making the site a sort of ExGF / Amateur site. These same guys are now shooting for much less.

Eastern European girls, same location every time, nothing great about the girls, first timers. With all the ex's it leaves lass than $1,000 profit.

Start stipulating the location has to be different, girls have to be 7s out of 10 and above. different outfits, travel, and the costs shoot up.

And before you reply "It's for a day work" it's a day shooting, day preparing, and can be one day a week. or 5 days a month. And then risk not getting paid or you deciding you don't need any more.

This is why I never shot for people who thought I content was the least important part of a site.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If they didn't pay you you own the copyright still
Sell it to someone that pays for your copyright.
Talk to your lawyer ...

If someone uses your content without paying you for it -- you can sue them for copyright infringement too.

Another top quality post by Barry ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[fred_anderson]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Good luck Fred. Hope you get paid soon. You are always so easy to work with.

.
Not sure who u are..but thanks for the nice words about me..