Business If you were starting a new paysite in 2016-quesstions I have.

[charlie g]

I really would like serious answers from serious people, but I know I cant keep the jokers out.

I have been shooting asian amateur stuff for more than 6 years as a second "job" and now I would like to devote more time and resources to actually make it a business. I do ok in my clipstore(which is where most of my revenue comes from now) but I know the market is very limited there so I am thinking about expanding to a real subscription based model. I have an idea for a new angle I think will be novel and sell well.

So the questions-

I have hundreds of old videos that tie in with the new concept somewhat, but they do not nail the theme I am aiming for in the manner I want to present. So the old scenes I would add as bonus material and not use to update the site. So would you add the old videos to the site as bonus material or make micro-niche sites and use a multipass system? Or maybe just not bother? Many of the niches I still shoot frequently and could update.

What is the minimum number of videos you would start the paysite with? Say the target price is $19.95/MONTH.

I am currently using the clipstore membership app for my niche store members site and I feel its not really designed for member based sales. The site navigation is antiquated, the ability to communicate with members is lacking, along with lots of other problems. Would you open the concept membersite on the clipstore member area for a test first or start fresh with another platform? If another platform, which? I would like to steer clear of getting a merchant account.

Once the store is opened, what is the optimal update interval?

Thanks to those who have read this far and even more thanks to those that take the time to share some knowledge.

[plaster]

Multi site pass to rebill at 49.95.

[NatalieK]

we've just redesigned and re opened SouthernCumsluts.com

A reality porn site with first time wannabe girls, models wanting to party, in reality bukkake and gangbang footage.

I think lots of people enjoy reality footage at low cost with minimum of 20 or 30 movies then at least weekly updates

[Adraco]

Doesn't AdultCentro - Paysite have something that could be useful for you? At least you surely should check it and read up a bit on what they are able to offer. Much of the infrastructure is already there for you.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by plaster

Multi site pass to rebill at 49.95.

No man... Multi site cross-sale to rebill at $349.95...

[Paul Markham]

The ability to make the site stand out is the most important part. Can you spend a lot of money on the design?

Otherwise, make it real, promote it as if you're an amateur guy who loves filming porn, getting laid and sharing his life with the world. Become a porn celeb. So can you show your face? That would be a big plus.

Which is what Natalie and Gary do.

Otherwise, you're competing in a pool that's already so full, the others are dying.

[plaster]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The ability to make the site stand out is the most important part. Can you spend a lot of money on the design?

Otherwise, make it real, promote it as if you're an amateur guy who loves filming porn, getting laid and sharing his life with the world. Become a porn celeb. So can you show your face? That would be a big plus.

Which is what Natalie and Gary do.

Otherwise, you're competing in a pool that's already so full, the others are dying.

Yes paul, the key is to spend alot of money on a design and also show your face. Million dollar advice.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plaster

Yes paul, the key is to spend alot of money on a design and also show your face. Million dollar advice.

Then come up with better advice than you have.

It;s 2016 not 2000. there are 1,000s of similar sites with similar videos. so your advice is to jump in with nothing different, other than "Multi site pass to rebill at 49.95.".

This would work for someone with over 1,000 videos shot be 10 different people and approaching the same niche, style in different ways. Not by the same person doing the same thing. how many videos does Chalrie have 200 of 999?

Stick to webmastering, leave marketing, selling and porn to those who understand the concept.

Incidentally. Pornhub has over 10,000 Asian videos.

that's what the OP is up against. So doing something different is the way.

[charlie g]

lol, thanks for the replies. For this site I will not need to show my face and I do not plan nor spend a ton on design. The concept is reality based similar to the fake series with a few twists. It will probably be controversial and more than a few people will be offended. But it touches on a couple fetishes that I think will convert. I plan to shoot a pilot this weekend to see how it will work and if I can get what I want on the video.

Any other advice is appreciated.

[Jigster715]

Update 3 times per week.
Use multi-landers to one big site. Start out with 30+ videos to begin with. 2 regular updates with one BONUS update. Release videos and pics on separate days so it appears you are updating almost daily.
I would speak to Vendo Services about pricing strategy.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by charlie g

The concept is reality based similar to the fake series

If you do an Asian concept DON'T use fake Asians!!!

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by plaster

Yes paul, the key is to spend alot of money on a design and also show your face. Million dollar advice.

every heterosexual wants to see a dude's face

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by charlie g

lol, thanks for the replies. For this site I will not need to show my face and I do not plan nor spend a ton on design. The concept is reality based similar to the fake series with a few twists. It will probably be controversial and more than a few people will be offended. But it touches on a couple fetishes that I think will convert. I plan to shoot a pilot this weekend to see how it will work and if I can get what I want on the video.

Any other advice is appreciated.

When I said show your face. I was suggesting the ultimate way to promote the site. You become a Reality gonzo star rather than a Dick in a girl. I appreciate that where you are that's risky.

Sadly the webmasters here can't get past that.

Still making it a series that reflects your escapades fucking and filming Asian girls is a great way to shape and market the product.

All the suggestions by webmasters are good. But unless the product is right, totally pointless.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

When I said show your face. I was suggesting the ultimate way to promote the site. You become a Reality gonzo star rather than a Dick in a girl. I appreciate that where you are that's risky.

Sadly the webmasters here can't get past that.

Still making it a series that reflects your escapades fucking and filming Asian girls is a great way to shape and market the product.

All the suggestions by webmasters are good. But unless the product is right, totally pointless.

IN Asia there is "saving face" and then there is cover your ass saving face. Not wise to show face in Asian porn especially if you are farang, gaijin or some other foreigner.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The ability to make the site stand out is the most important part. Can you spend a lot of money on the design?

Otherwise, make it real, promote it as if you're an amateur guy who loves filming porn, getting laid and sharing his life with the world. Become a porn celeb. So can you show your face? That would be a big plus.

Which is what Natalie and Gary do.

Otherwise, you're competing in a pool that's already so full, the others are dying.

And clearly Natalie and Gary are just killing it with all the money they make so they must be right. Like you Paul.

[The Porn Nerd]

OK serious business post below:

1. Billing: Either you setup an account with a 3rd party biller (ccbill, epoch, verotel, etc) OR you setup your own merchant account (eventually both) along with NATS to run the Affiliate Program. In your case, since you do not want to go merchant account, I would suggest CCBill for their in-house Affiliate Program and Epoch (eventually) as a cascade (to capture those denied by CCBill). Less expense, less headaches but also less control. Plus there is the $1000 yearly fee for Visa and MasterCard. But still a good approach for starting your first site.

2. Hosting: You will need to find either a shared server (if your traffic is minimal) or a dedicated server (which is also good if you want to expand, add sites, use scripts to automate, etc).

3. Content: 20-30 videos to start the site. Put the old content in the Members Area as Bonus content (and to use as promo content to send out to affiliates). Being your first paysite I would not focus on upselling to yourself, micro-niching this or that. Get started, see where it goes, grow/expand/change as needed.

4. Updates: Depending on how many videos you have or plan to shoot weekly/monthly will determine how often you should update. If your content is limited you could also rotate content and updates to make it look fresh. But updating becomes a bigger issue the more traffic/Members you have so, to start, once or twice a week is fine.

5. Upsells/cross-sells: While it's a bit much to setup a whole network to cross-sell on your own you can certainly upsell other Sponsers and niches for your Members and find appropriate cross-sells (NOT pre-checked) for your Tour. Additional revenue you can pour into growing the site.

6. Pricing: One of my favorite axioms or principles is never de-value or under-appraise your own product. So $19.95 may be too low, meaning you could get more out of your customers than that. Try $29.95 or, if it's really out there stuff (as you indicated) then even try $39.95 to start. Those who are into the niche will pay for it and you can always test lower prices by dropping it $5 at a time. $19.95 may indeed be the 'sweet spot' for you but you won't know until you test it. Do NOT leave money on the table because you are unsure about the value of your hard work. OVER value it until reality makes you drop the prices.

7. Affiliates: See #1. But affiliates are important (yes, even today) because 100 people selling your content is always better than just you yourself selling it.

8. Advertising: Once you get rolling you may want to try some media buys (NOT 'buying traffic', as in click-through or re-directed bulk traffic). Meaning, finding sites IN YOUR NICHE you can contact and inquire about their banner or text link pricing. The smaller the niche the better bang for your buck you will get via advertising IF you find a good match for your content. (In other words, do not advertise a blowjob site on a lesbian site; advertise Asian schoolgirls on a Japanese site, etc.)

9. Members Area CMS: Depending on if you want to grow into one big site or open multiple sites down the road, a CMS (Content Management System) is a good idea. But programs like Elevated X or Porn CMS (both fine products) are relatively expensive for your first site. You may want to consider going custom or even a simple out-of-the-box solution. You really just need a way to display the content, release updates and display ads (upsells).

10. Design: I left this to last because you may end up testing many different designs. Depending on your budget (or if you have the skills to do it yourself) the cost for a simple, basic Tour is under $1000. Yes you can pay more but why if this is your first site? You can always try different designs/landing pages along the way. Don't be too precious about your first site, just get it live/able to accept Members ASAP. THEN you can tweak designs as you go along.

There are more but these basic principles should get you rolling and perhaps others can add to my list. Let's make this a real, useful business thread!

Best of luck either way, and good for you for taking on this new challenge!

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by arock10

And clearly Natalie and Gary are just killing it with all the money they make so they must be right. Like you Paul.

[Bama]

Someone need to be the parent that smacks the shit out of their kid for auditioning for American Idol when they know full well their kid can't sing...so here goes, guess it needs to be me.

Don't do it... any of the "i want my own pay site" ideas... you will most likely.. ok, that's a stretch, you will fail.

I love Jennifer Anniston and I think I have a pretty novel idea of how to win her heart if I could just get the chance to talk to her. It's a grandiose idea and like the ant says "i think i can, i think i can" if I just put in the work good things will happen.. but at the end of the night, I'm sitting at home alone with an ice cold Corona in one hand and my cock in the other and the closest I'll ever come to Jen is watching old re-runs of Friends. The moral of that story is that "wishing doesn't make it so".

Answer truthfully..

Do you have a staff to help or are you a 1 man shop:
Do you have a chunk of change to buy all the software/license fees you'll need?
Have you ever run an affiliate program?
Do you have traffic to feed the pay site customers?
Who'll shoot the content if you're busy doing all of these other things?
What do you do once your "novel idea" takes fire and others take note and copy it using professional photographers and have all of the things I've already asked in place to blanket the market?

The learning curve on the above is too much for a one man shop to be successful in today's marketplace and you're understaffed on top of that.

IMHO, you'd be better served using your own content to use creating something along the lines of a tube site and sell ad slots and double down on your efforts by selling the content to pay sites that have all that in place already.

That's a much smaller learning curve, can be ran as a one man shop... but that's me!

Sing on!

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Bama

Someone need to be the parent that smacks the shit out of their kid for auditioning for American Idol when they know full well their kid can't sing...so here goes, guess it needs to be me.

Don't do it... any of the "i want my own pay site" ideas... you will most likely.. ok, that's a stretch, you will fail.

I love Jennifer Anniston and I think I have a pretty novel idea of how to win her heart if I could just get the chance to talk to her. It's a grandiose idea and like the ant says "i think i can, i think i can" if I just put in the work good things will happen.. but at the end of the night, I'm sitting at home alone with an ice cold Corona in one hand and my cock in the other and the closest I'll ever come to Jen is watching old re-runs of Friends. The moral of that story is that "wishing doesn't make it so".

Answer truthfully..

Do you have a staff to help or are you a 1 man shop:
Do you have a chunk of change to buy all the software/license fees you'll need?
Have you ever run an affiliate program?
Do you have traffic to feed the pay site customers?
Who'll shoot the content if you're busy doing all of these other things?
What do you do once your "novel idea" takes fire and others take note and copy it using professional photographers and have all of the things I've already asked in place to blanket the market?

The learning curve on the above is too much for a one man shop to be successful in today's marketplace and you're understaffed on top of that.

IMHO, you'd be better served using your own content to use creating something along the lines of a tube site and sell ad slots and double down on your efforts by selling the content to pay sites that have all that in place already.

That's a much smaller learning curve, can be ran as a one man shop... but that's me!

Sing on!

Easier to generate traffic (which makes a lot more per k) for paysites then it is for building the zillionth tube for the web

[Bama]

Originally Posted by arock10

Easier to generate traffic (which makes a lot more per k) for paysites then it is for building the zillionth tube for the web

I would normally agree with you IF he was going to try and generate his own traffic from his own sites since he wants to focus on such a niche market but I have trouble believing he can accomplish that given the fact that he's admitted his primary online source of income is selling clips on another website.... that provides the traffic flow to that.

He doesn't even know the value of the very content he's trying to corner that market so given that inexperience, yes it's better to be part of the current market flow while you build knowledge, experience and a network of trusted peers to guide you/promote you when you've jumped through the other hoops.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Bama

I would normally agree with you IF he was going to try and generate his own traffic from his own sites since he wants to focus on such a niche market but I have trouble believing he can accomplish that given the fact that he's admitted his primary online source of income is selling clips on another website.... that provides the traffic flow to that.

He doesn't even know the value of the very content he's trying to corner that market so given that inexperience, yes it's better to be part of the current market flow while you build knowledge, experience and a network of trusted peers to guide you/promote you when you've jumped through the other hoops.

While my lengthy post shows I generally give people the benefit of the doubt (since no one believed I was serious and could do what I have done) I tend to agree with you. Of course, I had no money to start and perhaps the OP can throw some money at the project. But still, it's an uphill battle for sure but one that's worth it in the end.

Besides, his financial goals may be $1000 a month or something reasonable. You can reach that with a single niche site, even today I think. (See? I am naively optimistic til the end. LOL)

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jigster715

IN Asia there is "saving face" and then there is cover your ass saving face. Not wise to show face in Asian porn especially if you are farang, gaijin or some other foreigner.

Absolutely.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

And clearly Natalie and Gary are just killing it with all the money they make so they must be right. Like you Paul.

Since when did you hack our bank accounts?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bama

Someone need to be the parent that smacks the shit out of their kid for auditioning for American Idol when they know full well their kid can't sing...so here goes, guess it needs to be me.

Don't do it... any of the "i want my own pay site" ideas... you will most likely.. ok, that's a stretch, you will fail.

Do you have a staff to help or are you a 1 man shop:
Do you have a chunk of change to buy all the software/license fees you'll need?
Have you ever run an affiliate program?
Do you have traffic to feed the pay site customers?
Who'll shoot the content if you're busy doing all of these other things?
What do you do once your "novel idea" takes fire and others take note and copy it using professional photographers and have all of the things I've already asked in place to blanket the market?

The learning curve on the above is too much for a one man shop to be successful in today's marketplace and you're understaffed on top of that.

IMHO, you'd be better served using your own content to use creating something along the lines of a tube site and sell ad slots and double down on your efforts by selling the content to pay sites that have all that in place already.

That's a much smaller learning curve, can be ran as a one man shop... but that's me!

Sing on!

Some great points.

This is 2016 and we're in the 20th, maybe, year of online porn. There are free Tubes with more Asian porn than an individual can create.

Forget about all the things Pornnerd said, they will come later. forget about what Bama said. Again they will come later.

What can you create that will make surfers buy yours instead of someone else's or go to a free site?

That's the question every offline business faces before starting up, yet no one here addresses it. As if it's inevitable enough people will buy what you have just because it's there. That's circa 1999 thinking.

Of course, many of the suggestions are from people who want your free content to put on their free sites, so they can sell traffic. I don't have any irons in the fire.

If you earn from C4S, try Adult Cento for selling to other sites and having your own paysite, see if it works before jumping into the deep end.

[Pseudonymous]

My advice. Setup a paysite through ModelCentro. It is designed for solo site models, however it can be used for any purpose. (multi model websites). You just wont use alot of features.

When you setup a paysite yourself in 2016, you will burn precious time and money during the learning curve, you will also struggle to get in with affiliates due to the fact you will most likely not have the relationships in order to attract them, or marketing ability. Also during this learning curve, you will most likely not create enough revenue in order to keep producing.

Setting up a paysite through modelcentro, there is 0 cost. The CMS is free (elevatedx is 150 a month), server costs are free (saving you hundreds), you do not need to purchase affiliate tools software or security scripts to protect against fraud, you will not have to pay visa/mastercard fees, you also do not have to pay for a design (500-1000 for a decent design). For a small operation, it makes zero sense to try to do all of this without a big budget and the knowhow.

Take a look at this post, over at XBiz:

http://www.xbiz.net/index.php?c=disc...post&id=213326

We also have 10% processing rate vs ccbill's 15%

Setup a site with modelcentro, build your paysite, within 24 hours it can be live and there are 0 costs. With the launch of MCProfits, we also help promote your website free of charge. Take advantage of all of our affiliates we've built up relationships with and got onboard for years as opposed to starting from scratch.

Selling clips simply isn't as profitable, its short term thinking

And my other advice, talk to professionals and really analyze how to figure out how to produce, even the best can get better. Dont be satisfied with how you currently produce, strive to make improvements. Continue to research equipment and find ways to upgrade without much cost. Theres new cheaper/better equipment coming out every year

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Since when did you hack our bank accounts?

You both post a lot

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

You both post a lot

I'm retired and live off my 50 years of earnings.

[charlie g]

I have been busy so I havent checked the thread, but lots of good info to think about. I have actually talked with someone from modelcentro but we can never seem to connect. He wants to skype before I get the password to check out the site. I live in Asia so it seems I am sleeping when he is up. As I get further along I will definitely give it a thorough look.

Lots of great info from you PN. I know what individual clips will bring. I also know what people will pay for a membership on the clipstore. What I am not sure about is the sweet spot for people to pull out the card. One thousand $19.95 members are worth more than two hundred $39.95 members.

Bama, you bring up really great points. I need to seriously consider the amount of resources I want to sink into this. I dont have a huge budget to throw at hiring a bunch of "pros". I do have money for licensing, servers, shooting new content etc. But I need to consider how much time to devote to the project is needed. I am actually happy doing what I do now when I want, how I want. As far as traffic I am pretty sure a strong tube presence is an effective way to get enough traffic, I could be wrong.

Anyhow, I shot a pilot and it sucked. Learned alot and plan to try again toward the end of the week. The jist of the site is I am not selling porn memberships but I run a single mothers charity. You pay your monthly "donation" and I distribute the proceeds to single Asian mothers. Part of the story will be when it is time to pay the mom after the sex(blowjob, handjob, anal etc) I give them baby food or diapers for the kid. The kick will be the reaction for actually getting the kids stuff instead of money. The people that donate can see the single moms we are helping in action(view the videos). Anyhow, I am planning to have enough scenes by christmas to proceed.

thanks to all that took the time~~

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Anyhow, I shot a pilot and it sucked. Learned alot and plan to try again toward the end of the week. The jist of the site is I am not selling porn memberships but I run a single mothers charity. You pay your monthly "donation" and I distribute the proceeds to single Asian mothers. Part of the story will be when it is time to pay the mom after the sex(blowjob, handjob, anal etc) I give them baby food or diapers for the kid. The kick will be the reaction for actually getting the kids stuff instead of money. The people that donate can see the single moms we are helping in action(view the videos). Anyhow, I am planning to have enough scenes by christmas to proceed.

thanks to all that took the time~~

Now that's what I call a cool twist.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by charlie g

I have been busy so I havent checked the thread, but lots of good info to think about. I have actually talked with someone from modelcentro but we can never seem to connect. He wants to skype before I get the password to check out the site. I live in Asia so it seems I am sleeping when he is up. As I get further along I will definitely give it a thorough look.

Im always around.

'solorevenue' on Skype, ryan // @ // modelcentro.com , icq: 8166998/4