Coup

Lemme let you in on a little secret. No one that hasn't already made up their mind a long time ago cares. Hillary better be coming up with a way to convincingly pretend to be anti-establishment or she is fucked.

Joshua G

heres an LOL for you - everything you link to is liberal bias...

so why would something with a bias bother you? you bathe in wilfull ignorance.

clinton cash...still waiting for you to inform yourself that you are voting for a felon.

Joshua G

LOL! coming from a CNN cock gobbler.

anyone who links to CNN should not be allowed to debate politics online.

what a fucking dullard, to hear you whine about bias.

Joshua G

michael moore is on the money. i respect a liberal that knows what a load of horseshit his own party is selling.

CDSmith

At least you got one thing right.-

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flashfire

Hillary obviously "won" meaning she did a better job and actually answered questions

People voting in these supposed polls would vote for their candidate no matter what happened

Coup

That's not why he's worried. He's wholeheartedly cheerleading for the democrats. The reason he is nervous, despite anything that can be said about the man, is that he has a firm understanding on how the poor and working class think. He knows they don't think very highly of Hillary Clinton and they are out for establishment blood.

This does not bode well for her.

flashfire

his tweets obviously went over your head

He is worried about complacency costing the dems the election

Rochard

A lot of people haven't made up their mind yet.

We can argue about who is anti-establishment or part of the establishment until we are blue in the face, but the reality of this is.... We need someone with experience. Trump has zero experience with any of this. Trump understands business, how to build a building or run a resort; He no idea what is involved with a treaty like TPP. He will have no idea how to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, no less how to fix the VA.

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plaster

You pick a name out of a hat that republicans approve of. Saying a man who made a billion dollar company unable to pick a justice is laughable at best.

What I don't understand about the debate is when trump was getting drilled about not paying taxes he could have said...

Hillary, you are filthy rich and have created nothing. You are a professional politician that lines your pocket with pay to play money. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars. Who cares if you give back some to the feds... you are a crook at the expense of the American people. We don't want you anymore!

Bam... done. Trump would have clobbered her.

Relic

Coup

The people ain't voting for any of that shit. They are voting against the standing political order.

You can talk about what we need all day and none of it is going to matter.

flashfire

Hillary is a terrible candidate I agree and coming off 8 years of a dem president history shows 12 years of one party is very unlikely.

Trump will either lose to her or god forbid win by the slightest of margins

that tells you all you need to know about your awesome candidate/movement

Joshua G

actually dipshit, he wrote a lengthy 5 point article about why he thinks trump will win.

point 1, hilary & neo liberals are on the wrong side of trade.

point 2, dumb boilerplate about fake white racism...

point 3, hilary is the problem (something your too dumb to see)

point 4, the party is out of touch with real liberals

point 5, voters will take chances.

maybe your should read it & not sound so fucking dumb next time.

Rochard

Does anyone really believe that we can put someone with no experience in office and they will be able to do better? LOL.

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Joshua G

he wrote at length how the party is on the wrong side of trade & that hilary is out of touch with the base & nobody is excited to vote for her. all of this is true & contrary to the load of bullshit that comes from liberals in the media & their lying polls. moore is one of the few liberals that has clear eye glasses.

Joshua G

like obama? LOL! his community organizing & harvard schmoozing & absentee voting in the senate was just the experience a president needs, right?

Coup

If "fixing" what currently exists was the issue neither of those people would have been on that stage last night.

Relic

ruff

And yet here you are about Soros. The rest of everybody must have missed that. Not seeing Soros as a threat in the media. Is that a sidebar somewhere? Anywhere? You're a Trump supporter, we get that. You hitched your wagon to the wrong star, but sometimes life's like that. You'll learn more when you get into your twenties.

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flashfire

and obviously the whole thing has also went over your head...not suprising


Anyway I am not a fanboy of either of these turds...of course Hillary is a problem she is a terrible candidate. To be proud that he MIGHT win by the slightest of margins after 8 years of a dem president tells me everything.

To be such a fan of this clown...what exactly do you do? why are you on here? what is your connection to the industry? honestly who the fuck are you?

Relic

cool it with the antisemitism

nico-t

i feel like you're talking to your ignorant self... let me know when you wake up

Rochard

And this is the problem - What's "wrong" and why do we need to fix it?

We do this every four years. "We need change". Why? Unemployment has been dropped in half. The US poverty rate is falling. Income is up. What more do you want?

Oh, the deficit is up. WTF did you expect? The last administration left us in a massive recession. But clearly the next Republican administration will fix it, right? Just like the last administration, right? Bullshit - This is what they say every four years. They complain about the deficit, promise to fix it, and never fix it.

Clearly what we need is someone with no experience.

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flashfire

the country is full of morons...nobody is going to solve all the problems

"make america great again"

when was it great in the first place? and for whom?

Coup

This is the last time I'm going to stake out my position to you and I will try to present it as clearly as I possibly can.

People are massively dissatisfied with their government. Most want massive change at any cost. The only candidate that represent any change what-so-ever is Donald Trump

Policy DOES NOT MATTER. Logic DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYTHING YOU'RE CONVINCED MATTERS COULD NOT MATTER LESS. Only the dismantling of the current political order does. The people are just about pissed off enough to get what they want.... for better or worse. This is why I'm convinced Trump is headed for a win.

Again.. NOTHING YOU THINK MATTERS DOES.

IMO, OP

Paul Markham

Trade tariffs would raise a lot of taxes, make imported goods more expensive. The people telling you they're a bad thing are the pro-globalisation lobby funded by the rich.

Stop and frisk has reduced crime in more than NY. The problem is the crimes are committed in areas of poverty which are also areas of ethnic minorities, so the PC crowd hate it. I wouldn't want to live in an area where people are free to carry guns.

Yes bringing jobs back to the poor will reduce crime. Start by taxing imports from companies who are removing jobs from those areas.

The only chaos it will create is among those who are likely to be found to be carrying guns. Stirred up by the PC crowd. The people who live in areas of high crime are black and Hispanic. They need their community to be safer by making it harder to carry a weapon. I've been stopped and frisked many times because I once fitted the wrong profile. But I see you assume it will be black people rioting.

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Paul Markham

Why is the only one with a plan to change things, the empty suit?

Trump offered plans, Clinton offered no change. Not that she can, she's been part of the problem for 26 years.

Trump's not great, but he has put the fear of god into the establishment.

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Paul Markham

Look at incomes again. Then look at what jobs have been created.

Bill Clinton created the bubble that burst.

But you're right you do this every four years and those with the richest backers get in time after time. And there's why the richest are the only ones to see their incomes rise over the last 20 years.

What the US needs is people not on the leash of billionaires. How much did the people like the Koch Brothers and big banks donate this time?

100% spot on. The only thing that will bring change is voters not voting for the same again. Clinton is the same again.

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ruff

I don't think there is any question who are the idiots in these Trump threads. Every time you and your lot post anything it certainly isn't an original thought because you have evidenced no intelligence in anything yet. That you can be swayed by a Barnum & Baily snake oil salesman like Trump says everything about you morons. You are the one that needs to wake up. You should have paid more attention in school. That you want to sit at the feet of a buffoon billionaire like he's going to toss you a burger now and again is awesomely tragic.

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ruff

Just show me one plan Paul. Just one plan that Trump can explain. He's no plan just rhetoric. For instance, do you think he's going to be able to bring manufacturing back the US? It's a democratic society companies can manufacture where ever they want. Hells bells, that's Republican dogma 101 for christ's sake. Trump offers no specifics. Saying he's going to take care of ISIS right away and real fast is not a plan it's bullshit. I thought you were smarter than this.

And exactly what is the problem Hillary has been part of for the past 26 years. What problem exactly?

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kane

If you don't think putting stop and frisk in place nationwide would not start riots especially in black and Hispanic heavy areas, you are fooling yourself. There is such tension between the police and black communities in some parts of this country that stop and frisk would simply ignite the already volatile situation that exists. It's a powder-keg waiting for a spark.

If I were walking down the street minding my own business and just out for a stroll and the police stopped and frisked me for no reason other than they felt like it, I would be pissed. If a crime had recently been committed in the area and I fit the description of the person who committed the crime, I can understand that and would have no problem with it, but to just stop me because they want to and have no other reason would piss me off.

Mark my word, black communities will not sit idly by and do nothing if stop and frisk is implemented nationwide.

Rochard

We need change. Every four years. No matter what. Because people are always upset with our government and "how things are".

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Coup

It's quickly becoming a contest between those that want radical change and those that are terrified of the prospect of such. IMO

kane

I have said for years that a lot of people say they want change, but, in the end, they really don't. When it comes time to vote they look around and take stock of their life. If they have a decent job and their future looks positive. They have a decent place to live and feel pretty secure, they vote for things to stay the same because change can end up being bad for them.

When it comes down to voting day how many people who are currently undecided will be willing to roll the dice and put their future in Trump's hands? That is the question and we likely won't find out until election day.

I didn't see the debate, but have seen some clips. I think Trump hurt himself. His staying he would use stop and frisk to help better black communities likely undid the effort he had been putting forth to reach out to those communities. His going back after Rosie O'Donell will likely turn off some independent female voters. Right now he needs every one of them he can get.

Coup

In any typical presidential race I would be very hard pressed to find any fault in the logic about any thing you just said. But, in a typical race we wouldn't be staring at a neck and neck contest involving Donald Trump.

kane

I said a few weeks ago in a different thread that it is testament to how terrible of a candidate Hillary is that this thing is even close. In the reverse, however, we can also see how shitty Trump is that Hillary, who was under investigation by the FBI and who has been behind a ton of shady shit is still nursing a small lead.

It really is the choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.

RFremont

This. A moderator cannot get into a debate and argue with a participant, that is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting. And this is coming from someone with no dog in this fight. The moderator even argued 'well that's not what the record shows' when the man who he is speaking of is standing right in front of him disputing the 'record'. Moderator cannot do that.

kane

I didn't see the debate so I can't speak to this particular situation, but I disagree that the moderator shouldn't engage with them. If the moderator knows they are lying, he/she should point that out. If Trump claims he never blamed global warming on the Chinese, the moderator should be able to pull out his tweet that shows he in fact did just that.

It's one thing to show bias and only go after one person or to ask questions that clearly favor one person over the other, but the people want answers and reality, they don't want to just be lied to for 90 minutes.

RFremont

I think you missed Debate 101.

"The role of the moderator is the ask questions and allow the nominees to respond and debate. He or she is also there to control the flow and make sure the candidates stay within time limits and also make sure the debate flows properly. The moderator is not there to do the debating. They are not there to ask gotcha questions. They are supposed to be impartial in their questions. By these standards, Holt failed miserably. He fell into the Democrat's trap where they called on him to be a fact checker, which has never been the role of the moderator. He should not have been arguing and debating Trump himself. If Hillary did not have a comeback for his answer about the Iraq war, then he should have moved on. I really wanted him to succeed as I think Holt is a good man, but he simply did a poor job. Too bad he didn't do his own debate prep and watch a few Jim Lehr moderated debates."

kane

So, if he asks a question and the person tells and out and out lie he is just supposed to sit there and let him do so? I guess I disagree. Sure, in a perfect world, the moderator should stay out of it, but here we are dealing with two people who are almost incapable of telling the truth or staying on point and actually answering the questions. I guess I don't see a problem with him doing a little prodding.