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Micropayment Trial - webmasters wanted
We have developed and patented a totally new payment system for both mainstream and adult sites. We're looking for forward- thinking webmasters to take part in a live trial.
I'd like to talk about it on this board but I don't want to be accused of spamming. Let me know if I should go ahead and give details. Danny |
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OK, I'd like to know more
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Thanks Groove.
We have developed and patented a totally new payment system for both mainstream and adult sites. We're looking for forward thinking webmasters to take part in a live trial. PayAsYouClick is a micropayment system that allows webmasters to charge surfers between 0.1 cents and $2 for each click on an item of premium content. That can include pictures, videos, or timed access to all the content of a particular directory. You can sell users access for any period between 10 minutes and 24 hours. The system is designed for very high traffic very low cost sites, so is perfect for TGP galleries. An existing free gallery or site can be converted to per-click charging in about 15 minutes. You do not need any software on the server, it is free to set up, and there are no monthly fees. We take a straight percentage with no minimum. You only need .htaccess protection - we do everything else for you. You are even protected from hotlinkers and password sites even if your password files are hacked! Part of the signup process for surfers includes downloading a PayAsYouClick toolbar that integrates with their IE6 browser. Once they have the toolbar, their browser recognises any PayAsYouClick protected link before they click it, and displays the charge. The user confirms the charge with a single click, and gets instant access. Without the toolbar, there is no way in. This means that he is always just one click from spending, rather than having to get his card out, or enter an email, or PIN, or dial a phone number etc. For adult sites where you're relying on spur-of-the-moment spending, and where surfers are nervous of potential card scams, this represents a major leap forward from any other payment systems. The challenge will be getting users to install the toolbar. To help them decide, surfers are given $2 of "free money" to try out the system before they are asked to top up their accounts using a credit card. We've set up example galleries, sites, and TGP lists to show you how the system can be promoted within the existing TGP / Gallery / Paysite model, creating an irresitable incentive for surfers to sign up. There is a built-in surfer and webmaster referral system. This means that TGP owners can promote the system to surfers, and earn up to $10 per surfer, and $100 per webmaster, while gallery posters will make a few cents from every visitor that clicks on their pictures or videos. As far as the trial is concerned, we want webmasters who will work with us to ensure the system is bullet proof, and who will experiment with new ways to market the system to surfers. It is a live trial, and you'll be taking real money, but we may need to limit numbers during the trial so we can ramp up our servers as demand increases. The web site is a bit rough round the edges, but it all works, and it's ready to earn you money. When the system is proven, we'll do all the pretty stuff. The main website is http://www.payasyouclick.com. Example websites are at http://www.surfingsuggestions.com. We believe this system has the potential to move the entire free-gallery model over to a pay-per-click model. This will bring vast new revenue into the adult business from surfers who do not want to pay for a full subscription, or who are concerned about card fraud and free-trial scams. At the same time, it will also increase traditional subscription spending by reducing the amount of free porn, and getting users used to the idea that they have to pay - however little. I'll be on this board whenever I can to answer any question you may have.
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![]() The pay as you click looks like a good concept, but here are some issues I thought of while looking at your demo site # 1.
You have some variables that may lead to angry websurfers, these are: 1. pay for a pic (.01/pic) or (.05/vid) 2. Time allotment 3. Download Speeds All things considered, when someone pays 10 bucks and has to continually look at the '1 hour timer', because it is ticking down - this ain't a good idea. Why not just have the surfer pay a flat amount for 'credits', then as they click, their credits run out, so it will be up to the webmaster to provide kick ass content for surfers - both will be happy in the end. |
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So, this will only work with people using IE for Windows? No thanks.
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Hi Poorwebmaster,
Thanks for the feedback. The reason for the timer is that if he comes back tomorrow, we want him to pay again. On the other hand if he's surfing a gallery, he should be able to click around the pictures as much as he wants without paying twice for each pic. So generally I think you would set the access time for pics etc to an hour, maybe 4 hours or something. This way he only pays once per "session". We prefer to deal in real money rather than credits. Credits are just a way of hiding the cost. And its very important to understand that PayAsYouClick.com will not be presented as an adult service - its a mainstream micropayment service that the surfer just happened to find on an adult site. That way we we aren't fighting against his fear of putting a card in an adult site. I'm not sure what you mean about download speeds.
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Hi gothweb,
Yes, only IE for windows, and currently only version 6. Version 5 will be working in a week or two. That represents the vast majority of surfers, and even those that prefer to use something else probably have IE available on their systems. Its a limitation I agree, but not a showstopper.
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PoorWebMaster,
Regarding download speeds, the content comes from your server, and doesn't go through ours. So PayAsYouClick doesn't introduce any significant delay in the download time for surfers. I'm not sure if that's what you meant.
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I think this concept would work better in a password protected site. The surfer joins for free, submitting his credit card info and has account stats available. Then, he can choose movies of a variety of length, niches to suit his taste, gallery, live cam interaction, etc..
He/She gets free access, get's to look around inside and choose the content they like. They don't have to worry about reoccurring charges to their credit card, or paying for something they don't want. The content prices would look really cheap, but I am sure at the end of the month it would add up quite nicely. Also, they would be less likely to cancel, thus every time they are in the mood, just pay per click.. Doesn't appear this s how you have this set up, but it is just my ![]() |
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Jake,
You can absolutely use PayAsYouClick in that way. Demo 3 show how you can restict access to ensure surfers have a PayAsYouClick account, even though the link is free. Once in the site, which could be set up like demo 1, you pay per click. Demo 2 is a single price for entry, then you have complete access to everything - closer to a traditional subscription site but with, say, a 30 minute membership. The key to PayAsYouClick is that it should be bigger than a single site. If the user sees it over and over again, eg on TGP lists, he will eventually break down and sign up - especially as its free and he can try it out with the $2 free money. Then he can choose how much to spend at your site, how much at the next one and so on. And you're absolutely right, the monthly spend VERY quickly adds up to something similar to a subscription fee. Many surfers will decide to switch over to subscription spending because it would end up cheaper for them. Its just like every other business you can think of - eg mobile phones. You can pay-as-you-go, or pay on an inclusive monthly charge. They aren't exclusive systems, both work extremely well side by side.
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I'll be away for an hour or two, back later.
Thanks for the feedback so far. Danny ps. We announced this 30 minutes ago, and already someone is trying to hack our server!
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A thought... A lot of the pay as you go phone plans are disappearing, or the prices are going up. The reason is simple-- this business model isn't very profitable. I know I love my pay as you go phone, and would never want to get a monthly plan because it would cost a lot more.
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Too complex sounding just to figure out. You're giving the average surfer way too much mental credit.
Its a nice concept and tried already in other variations. Knowing the marketplace I don't believe surfaces want to view porn on a pay per pic basis with time limits even if the cost per incident is in the pennies. You're also forgetting the trust factor. Surfers don't trust porn sites very much. They'll be worried about getting billing errors on this type of model. Just my thoughts, and I could be wrong, but I've been in adult for many moons . . . |
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KRL,
Many thanks. Regarding the trust factor - that's the reason why PayAsYouClick is not presented as an adult service. Surfers are increasingly sceptical of entering a card number into an adult site, especially if they have been scammed on a so-called free trial. The user can try it out with $2 of free money, with his card firmly in his pocket. He will see that he's always asked before being charged, and in fact its incredibly simple to use. Only after he's used up his $2, and seen how the system works, does he need to top it up with a card. And once again, he'll be doing this away from any adult-branded site, hopefully giving him increased confidence.
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I do wish you luck with it.
If you intereact and interface with surfers, and we have some mainstream sites where that happens, I'm telling you the intelligence quotient is not too high. The best thing you can do is really make the instructions as simple as can be so they can figure out how it works. Use symbols for example and a easy to figure simple flow chart. |
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Currently many, many adult surfers are managing without a subscription. Give them a pay-as-you-go alternative, and you could find a vast number of people who are prepared to spend a few dollars a month. That's money into the industry that isn't there now, because currently there is no in-between. Its $40 or nothing. ps Can someone tell me why the name of the person I'm quoting never appears in the quotes I do?
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Thanks KRL we'll take your advice on the dopey surfers.
There is a page here that explains the toolbar pretty well. We may bring this further forward in the signup process. http://www.payasyouclick.com/tbhelp.htm
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I like the concept, and I think you'll do well with it, as long as you get it to wrok with other browsers other than IE6 and 5. Get it to work with Netscape, Opera, and make sure that it works with AOL, (Stinkin AOL, I hate it, it blocks almost everything).
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Thanks Tala,
It isn't going to work with Netscape etc in the near future, but it should work with AOL because that's built on top of IE6 now. We will check this out though. If the product is taken up to the extent we believe it should, then we will invest in a Netscape version. However it may not be possible. I'm not sure why Opera and Netscape are such an issue though. The stats I've seen suggest that some 90% are using IE browsers. Are you seeing something different to this?
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Several people have mentioned the access time being an issue for surfers. That was really put in so the product would support a short-term subscription, say a 30 minute access to a whole site. (see demo 2 at www.surfingsuggestions.com)
For the pure per-click model, we could hide the access time. He would still have limited duration access, but it would always be set to 24 hours, and wouldn't be in his face. That way he's only got the price to think about.
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I'm not sure I've explained the topup system properly, because it is actually exactly as you've suggested for "Credits".
The surfer tops up his account with a $10 payment. He can then spend that at whatever sites he likes that take PayAsYouClick. As he clicks, his $10 gradually gets eaten up, until he runs out. Then he has to top it up again. So this just like paying a flat amount ($10) for a load of credits which then get used up. Does that make sense or am I missing the point here?
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Me again.
The key is that the surfer isn't going to commit $10 on the strength of one website - if he was then he would buy a subscription. He'll commit $10 when he sees an increasing proportion of free sites moving over to per-click pricing rather than being free. Demo 3 at www.surfingsuggestions.com shows how this can be achieved. Take the movie gallery sites. They give the surfer a load of crappy 10 second clips, to persuade him to buy a $30 subscription to see the whole archive of movies. $30 is a massive barrier, as is the whole process of getting the card out. How about charging 10 cents for each of five 30 second videos. 10 cents is no barrier to most surfers, so you'll get very high volumes paying 10 cents per clip. They'll quickly spend 50 cents at your site, then move to the next one. Remember they've already loaded their account, they're hot, and its just one click away! 50 cents on a high proportion of visitors is major income - and in most cases its income from surfers that would never have bought a subscription. And of course, you've still got the upsell to the subscription site for those that see the money draining away too quickly. Or, maybe you upsell to $1 for the 5 minute video? Again, one click away, no card numbers, instant access.
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Thought I would bump this thread.
I signed up and integrated into my current paysite within 30 minutes (cause I was watchin the war, prolly would have been faster :P). Its great and works fine. Excellent idea, and I'll do everything I can to push for more surfers to signup. Nice Job Danny. I think this will come in handy for very cheap trials into a site. If anyone wants to cross link special pages with payasyouclick hit me up so we can talk.
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The transaction fee is 40% Shit
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It's a great ideia... I wonder if dumb surfers will go for it... maybe you'll find out that surfers have a bigger problem with using CCs on the web, than spending $40 . I hope you do well, I could use another money maker
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I think I'll give it a try and see how it goes. I'll report back here either way.
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I think this is a great idea. Very funky. But 40%? Wow. That's way too much, in my opinion.
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Darin and others, many thanks for your kind words.
40% is scary I know - but you can't compare like for like with credit card payment processors. The first 20% or so is transaction fees for the topup payment, including the holdback percentage, because we can't fund payments we haven't received. The next 10% covers our server costs, bandwidth on the security messages, development costs, chargeback costs, operating costs and profit. The next 10% is a referral payment that goes to the webmaster that introduced that surfer. So if a TGP site introduced the surfer, that TGP site will get 10% of the total spend for that surfer up to a max commission of $10. This gives a massive incentive to TGP owners and other high traffic sites to promote the scheme. Demo3 at www.surfingsuggestions.com shows how quickly a TGP owner could add a PayAsYouClick section without losing existing traffic, and virtually force that surfer to get a free account under his ref code. The next 10% is a referral payment that goes to the webmaster that introduced the webmaster - GFY style sig signups. He gets 10% of everything the webmaster earns, up to a max commission of $100 (so the webmaster selling the content has earned $1000 gross). Then this percentage stop, allowing us to drop from 50% down to 40%. There is no minimum charge even down to a click costing 0.1 cents. If you processed a card payment of 50 cents say (if anybody allowed you to), you would have something like a 20 cent transaction fee plus say 15% - total cost about 27 cents. So you'd be paying about 50% at this level when you take the transaction fee into account - if you could get someone to process. PayAsYouClick isn't trying to compete with card processors. Actually the card processors are very excited about what we're doing, and very happy to be processing the topup payments for us. Where we are aiming is for charging really small amounts for indivudual pics, rather than subscription level payments. The surfer will be attracted to PAYC if he sees a high volume of sites that use it at a level that isn't a barrier for him. He doesn't trust adult sites with his card number, or even his email, and he doesn't trust them to deliver a site full of content worth $30. But if he sees a thumbnail of a 5 minute video priced at 10 cents - or a gallery full of niche pics priced at 2 cents each, he doesn't have to trust anyone. He can see what he's buying. He'll click each of your pics, and each of your vids, paying those little prices on each click. That way a much higher proportion of you surfers will spend a little, rather than playing the numbers game to get a few that pay a lot. And don't forget, this surfer has preloaded his account, he's logged into his toolbar, and hot to trot. When he sees your site, all he has to do is click and say yes, and you've got your money. He doesn't have to pull his pants up to find the credit card, so conversions are MUCH higher. You'll still be upselling your subscriptions at the same time, and as Darin points out you can convert an existing paysite to give a ten-minute trial in less than an hour first time - 15 minutes after that. But the real strength lies in the ability to charge tiny amounts at really high volume. In order to achieve that volume of surfers, we need the help of the high-traffic sites - the TGPs and link lists. That's why there are the high referral bonuses, and that's why the bottom line is 40/50 percent. If you like, think of 20% as the card fee, 20% as a traffic fee, and 10% for those bastards at PayAsYouClick. Its a new system - give me feedback on this.
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As if my last post wasn't long enough, here's a bit more.
If its you that introduces the surfer to payasyouclick on your content site, then you get the 10% surfer commission. So when you're selling to him (and provided you've broken through the $1000 mark), the percentage is down to 30%. And, when that surfer has seen all your content and goes to the next site, you'll get 10% of everything he spends there as well. So you introduce a surfer and he spends $1 clicking on your video gallery site. You get 70cents (with no holdbacks). Then he spends an average of $10 a month on other sites. You'll get $1 a month for the next ten months, even though you never see him again. I hope this helps show how you can't compare our percentage with straight processing. Taking kids to school, back later.
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The reason is that we want some flexibility to adjust this in the future. If we said that there was a perpetual 10% commission, we could never turn around to you and say we were going to stop paying that. In a year's time, we hope to have huge volumes of surfers and webmasters. There will be a lot of money coming through PAYC. We'll negotiate our topup payments down to 5% with no holdbacks, our costs will go down (maybe!), and there will already be a lot of surfers. The pressure will then be on to pass on the savings to you, and we will. But if we're stuck still paying 10% for the surfers that signed up in the first wave, you'll be stuck with the high percentages. That's why we're capping it at a $10 commission. It gives us the flexibility to maximise the income for everyone according to the surfer and webmaster numbers we get. We thought of capping at 6 months spend rather than $10, but our model is based on an average spend of $10 per surfer per month, so we beleive $10 is more generous. If this turns out to be an underestimate, we may adjust it so you get more. By the way once a large number of surfers have spent their $100, so we're getting 20% of their spend, you can use this to put pressure on us to bring the rates down. But it depends on the growth rate, the average spend per month and so on. Hope this answers that question OK.
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Plus... If it doesn't work on my computer, I am going to assume that I have members who will also be pissed off by the restriction.
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The technology relies on being able to inject password credentials into the message stream underneath the browser, without the user being able to see the password etc. This is the only way we can achieve the one-click secure purchase that other micropayment systems lack - and we've patented it. It means that at your end, the server needs no special software. Microsoft publish the details of their protocol handlers and allow developers to build extensions to the web browser - extensions like the Google toolbar and so on. As a developer, trying to get the same quality of information or support from Netscape is like drawing teeth. To my mind Microsoft is doing more towards the "open source" concept with its browser than Netscape. If Netscape want to contact us and provide us with the support we've asked for, we'll consider the economics of developing a Netscape version. It might be very easy, we just don't know because they won't tell us. There are alternative micropayment systems available that don't need a toolbar on the web brower, so they work with any browser. Most need you to have a dedicated server so you can install their software - which you have to pay for. They can only go down to 50 cents in most cases. And when the user clicks a picture (say), he is taken off to an HTML form to fill in his email and PIN number! Try using that on an adult site to get spontaneous per-click spending. So Goth, I understand your feeling about the future of the internet and how much Microsoft is taking over, but if its a choice between rescuing the internet and making money from horny surfers, well, you decide. Best Regards anyway, Danny
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Thanks JoJo,
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I'm talking about surfers that have decided not to buy a subscription - the ones that check out all your free stuff then back out. Maybe they can't afford $30. Maybe they just don't want to put their card number into an adult site. Maybe they've been bitten by one site, and don't trust another site without seeing what's inside. I'm hoping we can convert some of those people to per-click spending, when they see the thumb and get what they pay for. So we're conservatively estimating $10 a month. However, if we can pull $30 per month out of them, that will be great and we can revise the business model. Good reason for maintaining the flexibility I spoke of. Best wishes, Danny
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Many thanks to those people trialling the software at the moment, and for the valuable feedback we're getting.
The new features introduced as a result of the ongoing trial now include a built in traffic-trading system so sites can reward traffic sources based on actual income. This enables TGPs to list PayAsYouClick hybrid galleries alongside normal galleries, and share in the income. Alternatively content sites could trade traffic and automatically pay for traffic based on results. Totally cheat-proof. There is also a much slicker installation, no longer needing a reboot or replying to emails etc. And as promised, the system is now fully operational with IE5 (all versions), as well as IE6, and with all media player versions. A number of sites are now preparing to go live. Please feel free to get in touch if you would like to see how easily PayAsYouClick can be implemented on your sites, TGPs and galleries. Thanks. Danny
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If there are non-toolbar options, I suggest you add them to your system. Some webmaster will like the simplicity of your version, but some don't mind installing software on their own servers to make things simpler for the surfers. Why not give people their choice of the two, on the same micropayment system (same account for the surfer, etc.)?
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5% with status quo, 95% with more revenue options.. sounds good to me - it's not as if you're dumping that 5%.. you're just not using another way to milk them. |
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Danny, You're an idiot.
"To my mind Microsoft is doing more towards the "open source" concept with its browser than Netscape. " To say what i quoted above shows just how much M$ has blinded you. The last time i checked NS was the one who was funding programmers to write the mozilla code which is GPL'd. |
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We're aiming at a section of the adult market that isn't currently touched - people prepared to pay a few cents per pic or vid on many sites, rather than $10, $20, $30 on a single site. In order to encourage the user to spend as much as possible, the decision process for each click has to be kept incredibly simple. Our toolbar approach means it is a simple Click - Yes - In. He can even turn off the "Yes" bit for clicks under a certain price, so surfing PAYC links is just like normal links. There are other micropayment systems on the market which let you take payments down to about 50 cents, and don't require a toolbar. However in the 8 or so years that companies have been producing these systems, not one has really taken off, especially not in adult. The reason is that they require the user to go to a different screen, enter username, password, then go back to the picture etc. This is too much for a single picture or video - it interrupts the fun he's having. So "simpler for surfers" actually means "harder to spend". That's why we invented and patented the toolbar approach, and that's why it looks like it's going to be a winner for adult sites. But regarding Netscape, I don't have an axe to grind - we'll see how well the system works commercially with the 90% of surfers using IE, then possibly build a Netscape alternative in the future. Regards Danny
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Danny, do you have any plans to create a directory of adult sites offering PayAsYouClick.com (like AVS providers do)?
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Yes, definitely. As you pointed out to me recently, we need to use every means we can to pull the money out of the surfer's pre-loaded account as quickly as possible, so he needs to have easy access to the list of sites. This increases the money he spends, and speeds up payment of the surfer bonus for whoever introduced that surfer. There are two ways we are going give him lists of PAYC sites. The first is through the existing TGPs and link sites. The traffic-payment system lets you, (the site or gallery owner), decide what proportion of your click income you want to pay for traffic. A TGP site or any other high-traffic site then simply includes a meta tag on his page, and sends the surfer to your site or gallery with a completely normal link. That traffic site then receives that proportion of income generated at your site or gallery. This is an emormous incentive for TGPs to list galleries and sites that are part free, and part pay-as-you-click. It's then up to the market to decide what proportion the traffic is worth. By the way you don't have to pay a traffic percentage, you can set it to zero - the facility is just there to enable content sites to pay for traffic at a rate agreed with the traffic site, or to trade traffic between each other. There is also an anti-cheat mechanism built into this. The second way is that we will provide him with a list of PAYC sites. The danger of providing an automatic list of every site is that the user would then bypass the TGPs etc. So this list will direct the user to the traffic sites in order to get a list of PAYC galleries, and possibly link directly to larger PAYC only sites. We should have a lot of galleries, several major video sites, and a good number of TGPs coming on line over the next week or two. Once those are up we'll generate the list. The list will be on a separate site from www.payasyouclick.com so we keep that site free from adult branding. As always, feedback on these proposals are very welcome. Best Regards, Danny
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