Stop making the political situation about Right or Left. Both are fucking us.

[Paul Markham]

Both sides of the political spectrum are fucking us. Thier agenda has made most of us poorer, removed democratic power and made a tiny few immensely wealthy. The liberal, socialist, conservative, fascist labels we hang on them are red herrings.

We go to wars in the Third World and other far off places, in the name freedom or defence. When in truth it's about feeding the War Machine with our money.

Countries who were our enemies. Are now selling us goods once made by us.

50 years ago China couldn't feed itself. Today it's a military and economic threat to the World. Tomorrow it will be #1.

The exodus of companies to the Third World so then sell their goods back to the First World has got to a point where most First World people are poorer.

If you're a politician or in the 1%. Your wealth has climbed at a staggering rate.

The gap between the rich and poor is growing by the day.

All this happens whichever side is in power. Then they both blame each other for fucking our lives. When the truth is they both are fucking us.

[crockett]

You run amok blaming liberals for everything then whine about people making thing right vs left.

Typical right wing dindus.. 8 years of blaming Obama and liberals for everything then their guy gets in office and suddenly it's different aND stuff shouldnt be political..

[ErectMedia]

Paul don't cave stay strong and remain Trump Nation!

[CaptainHowdy]

Paul for President 2020 ...

[Rochard]

While I usually disagree with Paul, he makes a valid point here. Fifty years ago China couldn't feed itself. Now it's one of the largest economic and military powerhouses. The reason why is because China minds it's own business.

[redwhiteandblue]

I agree with your first paragraph Paul. The rest, not so sure.

[CDSmith]

us? What's all this 'us' you speak of?

Paul, were you



?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Both sides of the political spectrum are fucking us.

No, this is not true, and its extreme over generalizing. I'm a liberal, but there are some good republicans / conservatives and some good republican things out there too. Republicans, back in the day, created the EPA for example.

The big problem with saying this, is that your thinking is based more on passion, and less on true detail, or true science, or true policy, etc.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Thier agenda has made most of us poorer

By which measurement? https://www.advisorperspectives.com/...ar-perspective

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

, removed democratic power

The fact that a complete idiot like Donald Trump winning the election proves to me that democracy, at least in the US, is alive and well. Yes he lied and cheated and bullshitted his way in, but he still did it.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

and made a tiny few immensely wealthy.

Very true. They probably fucked alot of people over to get where they are, but the laws and legal system allowed it to happen. Should loopholes be closed? Yes. Should taxes on the ultra rich be increased? Yes. Ronald Regan started it all with his "Trickle-down" BS and it all happened thanks to democracy. The thing though, is that the same democratic process can undo it.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We go to wars in the Third World and other far off places, in the name freedom or defence. When in truth it's about feeding the War Machine with our money.

I'd argue that its more about getting and acumulating energy, and fighting proxy wars. But I agree with your statement too.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Countries who were our enemies. Are now selling us goods once made by us.

It's good that we are now trading with our former enemies instead of fighting them. What needs to be done is to fix the various trade deficits by voting for governments that will protect jobs and balance everything else out too.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

50 years ago China couldn't feed itself. Today it's a military and economic threat to the World. Tomorrow it will be #1.

China already earned the badge of #1 economy back in 2014. The US is far behind on lots of other things (Canada too). Education for example.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The exodus of companies to the Third World so then sell their goods back to the First World has got to a point where most First World people are poorer.

Agreed. This needs to change somehow, but I know its not a simple process. Trump's super-simplified and stupid 35% tax-threat is not even close to a step in the right direction.

You have to make it attractive for companies to stay in their home countries without creating economic or other burdens elsewhere. Furthremore it won't be an instant fix. Policy changes to fix the situation will take a long time to implement and probably proceed slowly to allow companies, customers and the economy to adept.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you're a politician or in the 1%. Your wealth has climbed at a staggering rate.

It has.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The gap between the rich and poor is growing by the day.

It has! But this is really 2 different things. Related, but different.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All this happens whichever side is in power. Then they both blame each other for fucking our lives. When the truth is they both are fucking us.

Yes! no! Sort of! It can defiantly happen to either side, but - its not exactly fair to blame the parties, or to just "give up". Vote!

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by **********

It's good that we are now trading with our former enemies instead of fighting them. What needs to be done is to fix the various trade deficits by voting for governments that will protect jobs and balance everything else out too.

nice articulation of trumps "america first" trade policies. did you know hilary opposed this? guess not.

too bad the dems abandoned the working class to sniff the glue of endless PC race & sex card hustling. now the only thing that gets power in the dem party is a vag or PoC.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Both sides of the political spectrum are fucking us. Thier agenda has made most of us poorer, removed democratic power and made a tiny few immensely wealthy. The liberal, socialist, conservative, fascist labels we hang on them are red herrings.

We go to wars in the Third World and other far off places, in the name freedom or defence. When in truth it's about feeding the War Machine with our money.

Countries who were our enemies. Are now selling us goods once made by us.

50 years ago China couldn't feed itself. Today it's a military and economic threat to the World. Tomorrow it will be #1.

The exodus of companies to the Third World so then sell their goods back to the First World has got to a point where most First World people are poorer.

If you're a politician or in the 1%. Your wealth has climbed at a staggering rate.

The gap between the rich and poor is growing by the day.

All this happens whichever side is in power. Then they both blame each other for fucking our lives. When the truth is they both are fucking us.

Isn't this what I was trying to tell you a couple of months ago? :

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Isn't this what I was trying to tell you a couple of months ago? :

Ignore-list bump...

PS I really like being on your ignore list... but it prevents you to learn from me!
But then again... that's not my problem...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

You run amok blaming liberals for everything then whine about people making thing right vs left.

Typical right wing dindus.. 8 years of blaming Obama and liberals for everything then their guy gets in office and suddenly it's different aND stuff shouldnt be political..

What point of my post is wrong?

I blame the Right for a lot of things. Like moving jobs out of the US and going to war.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

While I usually disagree with Paul, he makes a valid point here. Fifty years ago China couldn't feed itself. Now it's one of the largest economic and military powerhouses. The reason why is because China minds it's own business.

The reason why is China has US and Europe's business.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Isn't this what I was trying to tell you a couple of months ago? :

1orglaugh

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

nice articulation of trumps "america first" trade policies. did you know hilary opposed this?

Proof? Links?

Originally Posted by Joshua G

too bad the dems abandoned the working class to sniff the glue of endless PC race & sex card hustling. now the only thing that gets power in the dem party is a vag or PoC.

Oh my goooooddddddd you're so fucking boring. Say something articulate for a change or shut the fuck up.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

50 years ago China couldn't feed itself. Today it's a military and economic threat to the World. Tomorrow it will be #1.

Thats feel when communism not working

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Both sides of the political spectrum are fucking us. Thier agenda has made most of us poorer, removed democratic power and made a tiny few immensely wealthy. The liberal, socialist, conservative, fascist labels we hang on them are red herrings.

We go to wars in the Third World and other far off places, in the name freedom or defence. When in truth it's about feeding the War Machine with our money.

Countries who were our enemies. Are now selling us goods once made by us.

50 years ago China couldn't feed itself. Today it's a military and economic threat to the World. Tomorrow it will be #1.

The exodus of companies to the Third World so then sell their goods back to the First World has got to a point where most First World people are poorer.

If you're a politician or in the 1%. Your wealth has climbed at a staggering rate.

The gap between the rich and poor is growing by the day.

All this happens whichever side is in power. Then they both blame each other for fucking our lives. When the truth is they both are fucking us.

This is totally accurate and it is shocking to intelligent people who are not blinded by tribal "groupthink" how easily most are manipulated into the simplistic black and white thinking of "us vs them" PATHETIC

The only ones getting fucked are your children and grandchildren. We had a pretty good run and at least got to enjoy when America was a world leader.

Now it's been plundered by the elite and continuing down to 3rd world status.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I agree with your first paragraph Paul. The rest, not so sure.

The rest are statements of fact. If you disagree, post why you think they're wrong.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

us? What's all this 'us' you speak of?

Paul, were you



?

People in the West.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by **********

No, this is not true, and its extreme over generalizing. I'm a liberal, but there are some good republicans / conservatives and some good republican things out there too. Republicans, back in the day, created the EPA for example.

The big problem with saying this, is that your thinking is based more on passion, and less on true detail, or true science, or true policy, etc.

So why are most of us getting poorer, our countries into deeper debt, while the Third World has all the fast growing economies.

By which measurement? https://www.advisorperspectives.com/...ar-perspective

By the measurement you posted.



Only the top 10% are keeping ahead.

The fact that a complete idiot like Donald Trump winning the election proves to me that democracy, at least in the US, is alive and well. Yes he lied and cheated and bullshitted his way in, but he still did it.

Agreed. It wasn't until he won because the people voted in are picked for you by the elite via their control of the money/donations.

Very true. They probably fucked alot of people over to get where they are, but the laws and legal system allowed it to happen. Should loopholes be closed? Yes. Should taxes on the ultra rich be increased? Yes. Ronald Regan started it all with his "Trickle-down" BS and it all happened thanks to democracy. The thing though, is that the same democratic process can undo it.

Agreed. Taxing the rich is hard if the rich are allowed to move their money where they choose.

I'd argue that its more about getting and acumulating energy, and fighting proxy wars. But I agree with your statement too.

We need to get off oil as much as possible. Renewable energy is the future. Especially in places like Southern Europe/US. Wind farms as well can save huge amounts of oil.

It's good that we are now trading with our former enemies instead of fighting them. What needs to be done is to fix the various trade deficits by voting for governments that will protect jobs and balance everything else out too.

We should never have been fighting them in the first place. As for trade, balance trade so they have to buy as much as they want to sell. Or face high tariffs.

China already earned the badge of #1 economy back in 2014. The US is far behind on lots of other things (Canada too). Education for example.

My opoint is how did they do it and what was the cost to the West?

Agreed. This needs to change somehow, but I know its not a simple process. Trump's super-simplified and stupid 35% tax-threat is not even close to a step in the right direction.

Taxing imports to remove the benefits of workers on 10% of what a Western worker expects is the only way. Or balance trade.

You have to make it attractive for companies to stay in their home countries without creating economic or other burdens elsewhere. Furthremore it won't be an instant fix. Policy changes to fix the situation will take a long time to implement and probably proceed slowly to allow companies, customers and the economy to adept.

How do you make it more attractive?

It has! But this is really 2 different things. Related, but different.

Then explain why.

Yes! no! Sort of! It can defiantly happen to either side, but - its not exactly fair to blame the parties, or to just "give up". Vote!

Yes, Yes, Yes. Otherwise, the gap would be levelling while one side is in power. We should not give up. We need to vote out the clowns who are doing it to us. In Europe, the rise of the Far Right has shocked the Establishment. The problem is the Establishment are the creators of the rise of the Far Right. Politicians have to fear the electorate, not visa versa.

[Coup]

Left or Right? PFFFTT. I'm an Up or Down kinda guy.

Right now The God Emperor Donald J. Trump is up.. and he ain't never gonna come down!

[Adnium_Ivana]

Originally Posted by Rochard

While I usually disagree with Paul, he makes a valid point here. Fifty years ago China couldn't feed itself. Now it's one of the largest economic and military powerhouses. The reason why is because China minds it's own business.

Love and agree with that line the most Rochard. The American economy was set up to make profit from the various armed conflicts around the world, however as we've seen trillions being sunk into "spreading democracy" that model is now very much out of date and it has swung the American economy in the other direction: ruin.