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US airforce is a joke.
US Air Force Again Bombs Iraqi Forces In Mosul, Kills 90 Servicemen:
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What country are you from?
Do you have an airforce in the Philippines? Do you build your own planes/helicopters? No. You buy them from America. And as soon as you get them you crash them! |
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The us army is one big joke "protecting" America ,LOL
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Our military has done an excellent job of protecting America. When was the last time that foreign troops have invaded America, or foreign aircraft have bombed America, or a Naval vessel has fired upon America, or a missile been launched into America. How many countries around the world have felt the power of the American Military, including yours? How many millions have died at the hands of the American military. A Joke??? I think not.
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????????->??????? ???????? ???? ????? ??????? "??????" - ????? ??????? ?? ?????? see sputnik's comment at the bottom in English -- interesting ... https://www.google.com/search?q=90+I...ike+in+Mos ul Interesting that no credible news agency confirms this story as of yet -- wait until Monday. Strike that; Quote:
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Most people haven't given this much thought but the United States military kicked ass in the last large scale operation it was in. Iraq was considered the world's 4th largest army in the world, the and United States military quickly destroyed the Iraqi military and removed Saddam's government from power. Not only was it a completely overwhelming victory, but it happened so quickly it surprised everyone. The war was over with the first strike, which took out all of the Iraqi military's communications.
You are saying the United States Air Force is a joke, yet most likely this happened because the Iraqis failed to communicate where they were. The USAF saw what they thought was the enemy and destroyed them.
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First of all, that's Dagestan - not Chechnya. And in case if you didn't know... Russia is at war against radical Islamists there. Since GFY is a gathering of a sensitive people with weak hearts, I have to warn you - those are documentary videos of counter-terror operations and there are dead terrorists on them. If you have a problem with that - don't watch them.
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The USA did not fight North Vietnam to win. The Vietnam war was fought to bolster the US economy. My father made high tolerance missile guidance system parts at Omni Spectra® now the XMA Corporation XMA Corporation | About
My generation were sacrificed to the meat grinder of Vietnam. Let's not talk about how the Mujahideen kicked the Russian Army's ass in Afghanistan ... Maybe, that was a hail mary play to try to save the USSR's economy that collapsed anyway? Bunch of ragheads with rocket launchers. ![]() |
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although people think they arent doing a good job, what would happen if there weren't any army?
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Wrong. It did. You even had a mobilization.
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That's not some staged 3rd-sort Hollywood movie. That's a documentary film and everybody can see the Russians as they march back to home with waived flags. Even an idiot understands that's a march of winners but not a retirement. Go compare it with a shameful flight of the US army from Vietnam. Do you know how the Afghani Mujahideens called Russians? They called them Souravi (شوروی). ...and how do they call Americans? Go figure ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm-333
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You can call it as you want, but it's a true. In contrast to Vietnam, the Soviet mission in Afghanistan has never been a full-scale war for Russia. We had no mobilization here like you have in the States (surprised?) Only a so-called limited contingent of Russian army was involved. Technically it was just a military counter-terror operation just like the anti-radical Islamic one we have on North Caucasus today. The USSR has controlled about 99% of Afghanistan in 1989 when Gorbachev decided to left Germany (Eastern Berlin) and Afghanistan alone to show the West that has has got no knife behind his back.
Your propaganda may shit into your head as much as it wants, but there is a documentary video posted above. That was a march of winners. They have accomplished the mission in 1979. After that the Soviet army has simple secured the country to keep Najibullah in power. We have lost about 15,000 during 10 years there. The Mujahideens have lost 670 thousands to two millions, according to wikipedia - 130 times more than Russia a dirty guerilla war! Do you think that's not a good result? Just for a comparison, the United States have lost 58 thousands killed and 303 thousands wounded in Vietnam. You have officially lost that war to tiny Asians. There was not march of honor for you. That was just a cowardly escape.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Date December 24, 1979 ? February 15, 1989 (9 years, 1 month, 3 weeks and 1 day) Location Afghanistan Result Soviet failure to quell the Afghan Mujahideen insurgency Geneva Accord (1988) Withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan Continuation of the Afghan Civil War[14] Causes of withdrawal Some of the causes of the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan leading to the Afghanistan regime's eventual defeat include[183] The Soviet Army of 1980 was trained and equipped for large scale, conventional warfare in Central Europe against a similar opponent, i.e. it used armored and motor-rifle formations. This was notably ineffective against small scale guerrilla groups using hit-and-run tactics in the rough terrain of Afghanistan. The large Red Army formations weren't mobile enough to engage small groups of Muj fighters that easily merged back into the terrain.[183] The set strategy also meant that troops were discouraged from "tactical initiative", essential in counter insurgency, because it "tended to upset operational timing".[184] The Russians used large scale offensives against Mujahideen strongholds, such as in the Panjshir Valley, which temporarily clearing those sectors and killed many civilians in addition to enemy combatants. The biggest shortcoming here was the fact that once the Russians did engage the enemy in force, they failed to hold the ground by withdrawing once their operation was completed. The killing of civilians further alienated the population from the Soviets, with bad long-term effects.[183] The Soviets didn't have enough men to fight a counter-insurgency war (COIN),[184] and their troops were not motivated. The peak number of Soviet troops during the war was 115,000. The bulk of these troops were conscripts, which led to poor combat performance in their Motor-Rifle Formations. However, the Russians did have their elite infantry units, such as the famed Spetsnaz, the VDV, and their recon infantry. The problem with their elite units was not combat effectiveness, but the fact that there were not enough of them and that they were employed incorrectly.[183] Intelligence gathering, essential for successful COIN, was inadequate. The Soviets over-relied on less-than-accurate aerial recon and radio intercepts rather than their recon infantry and special forces. Although their special forces and recon infantry units performed very well in combat against the Mujahideen, they would have better served in intelligence gathering.[183] The concept of a "war of national liberation" against a Soviet-sponsored "revolutionary" regime was so alien to the Soviet dogma, the leadership could not "come to grips" with it. This led to, among other things, a suppression by the Soviet media for several years of the truth how bad the war was going, which caused a backlash when it was unable to hide it further.[184] Aftermath Weakening of the Soviet Union According to at least scholars Rafael Reuveny and Aseem Prakash, the war contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union by undermining the image of the Red Army as invincible, undermining Soviet legitimacy, and by creating new forms of political participation. The war created a cleavage between the party and the military in the Soviet Union where the efficacy of using the Soviet military to maintain the USSR's overseas interests was now put in doubt. In the non-Russian republics, those interested in independence were emboldened by the army's defeat. In Russia the war created cleavage between the party and the military, changing the perceptions of leaders about the ability to put down anti-Soviet resistance militarily (as it had in Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in 1956, and East Germany in 1953). As the war was viewed as "a Russian war fought by non Russians against Afghans", outside of Russia it undermined the legitimacy of the Soviet Union as a trans-national political union. The war created new forms of political participation, in the form of new civil organizations of war veterans (Afghansti) which weakened the political hegemony of the communist party. It also started the transformation of the press/media which continued under glasnost.[49] Of the troops deployed, 53,753 were wounded, injured, or sustained concussion and 415,932 fell sick. A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops. There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases. Of the 11,654 who were discharged from the army after being wounded, maimed, or contracting serious diseases, 10,751 men, were left disabled.[179] Material losses were as follows:[20] 451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters) 147 tanks 1,314 IFV/APCs 433 artillery guns and mortars 11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks. Quote:
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The States were so kind to Taliban and to Osama Bin Laden (a CIA agent who was paid by the US taxpayers), so he has paid 'em back in 2001. What a great success... As we say here: don't feed the snake, because it will bite you anyway. This is America at a peak of its stupidity: ![]() ![]() Aha, congrats to the winners. ![]() Say big "thank you!" to Russians because our army was pulled out of Afghanistan, so it was unable to prevent 9'11.
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bla bla bla -- your soldiers came back maimed and some addicted to heroin from Afghanistan. You lost and left just like the Americans left Vietnam -- beaten by brown people.
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The military did not lose a war in Vietnam. The war in Vietnam was a political war and was micro managed by politicians that made strategic as well as tactical decisions. The goals in Vietnam were political and the politicians realized that the political goals were becoming to expensive so decided to end our role in Vietnam and they ordered the withdrawal of our military forces. Our Military forces completed their withdrew in 1973. Two years later in 1975 the Northern forces defeated the Southern forces and took control of South Vietnam. Our Military lost nothing including any single tactical battle. The military has never lost a war.
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We got tired of dying in Vietnam for a losing cause -- I know I was 18 in 1973.
Got buddies that came back in body bags -- they saw no victory. Got buddies that came back mentally fucked up bad from what they saw in country. There was no glory and the only victory to come from Vietnam was the day we left. The wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq were not in this country's interest really. After 13 years we are still stuck in the mud -- I hope incoming Emperor Trump understands the failures and does not increase the errors and make things worse. Meantime, the OP's fake news story of a major US Air Fores friendly fire incident is being reported nowhere except Russian Troll Media ... So far total bullshit ... The USSR's Afghanistan was a CIA payback for Vietnam where you Russians supplied SAM missiles, MIG fighter-jets and other munitions. Paybacks are a bitch, and we repeat the same mistakes, the US and Russia, over and over, for the sake to make a few dollars with blood -- what a waste ... |
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Sure comrade. It was won... over 50 thousand Americans have died and over 300 thousands have been invalided. Seems like the US Army was so successful there - you guys really know how to fight...
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To be fair, the U.S. might be the most powerful military in the world but their training has a reputation for not being the best. Speak to any servicemen that fought with America as an ally will tell you that they always wanted to know which way the Americans were facing.
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For example, during the War for Independence, the States have lost less than 7000 soldiers on the battle field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...olutionary_War. In comparison to Vietnam that war was just a joke.
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We breed like rabbits that's nothing! Our population is twice as big as yours, and our life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours, so . .
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I don't support the way we have returned Crimea back to Russia, but I'm not an idiot to realize: Russian army did it just perfectly.
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For Vietnam War produced nearly as many bombs in the WW2. Greed of people with guns not have limit. today they want renew it - second cold war etc. for ordinary people, this means costs and death. But without it, people do not understand what is war is and how precious peace. PS: minute self irony ![]() ![]() |
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From 1959-1973 there was a loss of close to sixty thousand lives with the NVA/Viet Cong losing in the millions of lives. The military never lost a tactical battle during 14 years of engagement. So yes they fought very well.
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They say "for Paris"... those barbarian Russians...
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