Bladewire

Out of all those points I made about Trump, you are focused on Hillary Clinton. Why?

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Paul Markham

Everything for those without blinkers.

Trump v Clinton was an engineered contest. The electorate rejected Clinton in protest to the US political system.

Everything since the shock vote has been media spin to get people away from thinking why are so many angry at how their country is run?

Will the Establishment or voters realise things have to change?

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kane

Again, what does this have to do with the thread topic?

Paul Markham

No I'm not. I'm asking why so many want to make it about two parties. Both of which are equally guilty.

For now, Trump is the only chance to break the system. Sanders was crushed by that system.

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This thread is about a two party system. Arguing who should be in charge of butt fucking you for the next four years.

But, if you're obsessed about being butt fucked by a Dem rather than a Rep. Good luck to you.

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Bladewire

HOW do you think Trump could break the system?

WHY do you think he'd want to crush a system that's making him billions?

WHY do you think 70 year old Trump is going to stop focussing on his business and focus on the American people?

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NewNick

The truth Markham is that you are a revolting hypocrite that has no right to tell anyone what to think.

You are one step down from a sex tourist. At least they go home, whereas you stay and leech from the local economy.

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MaDalton

yeah, breaking the system with 3 Goldman Sachs bankers in the administration - not mentioning the other billionaires

lol

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Trump has always been a top notch caring bro.

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might as well every politician has failed miserably... look towards Singapore for understanding

2MuchMark

You pivot to Obama just like every politician ever to appear on Fox News. This has nothing to do with Obama so why bring him up? Oh right, pivot.

Right now, we're talking about the antics in NC. Let's stick to it.


No, nothing about democrats. Read the OP's OP.


I've been thinking about this. I think It's alot like what Trump did during his campaign. By assigning a derogatory label to someone like "Cooked" Hillary, "Lie'in Ted", etc, it makes it faster and easier for the weak-minded to dismiss someones viewpoints, even when factual.


Sigh....


First, it wasn't illegal. Next, the IRS looked at Democratic groups too. Did you know that there were over 400 conservative groups that the IRS looked at? Do you not think that its possible that any of them might be collecting donations illegally?

Fake News is fake.

Like what?

Please post something Obama did, with a link to a reputable news source, and then post a link to the line in the constitution that was violated. I'm a dumb fucking Canadian. Please educate me.

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crockett

The most ironic thing about this, is Vendzilla attempted to enrich himself with a 501 group that was taking money from little old ladies thinking they were donating to Hillary's campaign.

He then brought it to GFY thiking it would be the next great thing but it failed miserably.

It's a shame scumbags like him are able to dupe unsuspecting people out of their money. If there is any justice. The 501 Vendzilla was involved with gets hit by the IRS.

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Paul Markham

Once again proving you need to remove the blinkers. Either the politicians change to keep their jobs because voters will vote them out. Or voters keep voting for people who are dedicated to fucking them. Because they are sheep.

He wouldn't. Do you want to crush the system that's making you poorer?

He won't and neither will the two houses, your Governor or your Mayor. Unless you show some balls.

why do you think politicians who need millions to get elected will care about votes over $$$. Because you're too scared to vote them out?

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I had to prove to the Czech Authorities I was worth a Residents visa. Then prove I was worthy to run a Corporation. All done before CZ joined the EU. I added millions to the CZ economy. Stop ranking me alongside you.

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Will the voters take courage from electing Trump because it shows them votes count more than $$$$?

Will Merkel get booted out for flooding Germany and a lot of Europe with unwanted migrants?

Terrorists hiding among refugees.

Rapists hiding among refugees.

We need to wake up and realise most politicians come from a wealthy or protected background and don't understand the harm they're doing to their people. In Europe, we see the rise of the Far Right. Because it's only the Far Right addressing the concerns of most people.

If the Left Wing or Center were more concerned for the people who voted for them. The Far Right would collapse.

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Vendzilla

Pretty much everyone that has said he's going top fail said the same thing when he ran for office and were WRONG. Now that he has won, they are whining about everything, that's Hilary wasn't treated fairly or that Russia got involved, sorry whiny bitches, the die is set!

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Joshua G

i love these dumb liberal love-ins. whining about the GOP at the state level now, because obama & clintons decimated the party so bad there is nothing left to discuss in DC.

rather than whining on a porn forum like a bunch of losers, go help some illegals move to wisconson so a "sexual predator" wont beat your entitled elitist race/sex-whining candidate next time.

kane

As I have posted multiple times in this thread, this has nothing to do with Obama, Clinton and Trump. Conservatives seem to automatically respond to every criticism of them with "But Clinton bad!!!" or "You butthurt!!!!"

If the situation were reversed and a Democrat-controlled legislature and outgoing Democrat Governor called a special session solely to pass laws that limit the powers of the new incoming Republican Governor you would be fine with that?

crockett

Vendillza seems to forget he was the biggest whiniest bitch on GFY when Obama was elected twice.

Must be back sucking the unemployment tit again so he has time to post. Typical right wing dindo.

Joshua G

please note i did not go down that rabbit hole of deflecting to democrat manipulations, like what obama is doing with the FCC.

im no fan of corruption & political shenanigans of GOP anymore than the dems. I have my own unpublished problems with the GOP. star wars is coming back in vogue with trump coming...soon we will be weaponizing space just because others are doing it, & we cant have a satellite missile gap!

but whats happening in this thread is no advancement of knowledge. just whining about the unfairness of life now that one party is dominant on all levels of government & the libs cant figure out why, with the liberal media not reporting facts anymore. just fairy tale narratives that race & sex is more important than issues of security & jobs. Maybe people who vote care about issues not racism sexism lectures all day long.

kane

So, is this your fancy way of not answering the question?

Joshua G

sure kane. what the GOP is doing is a problem. abuse of power is a problem.

the way to solve that is to run dems that base their campaigns on issues like jobs security & rolling back corruption. but all the dems i see whine about race & sex all day long. hilary talked about her womens movement moment a lot more than she did about draining swamps.

so there is an impasse until the dems get their shit together. doesnt look like thats happening soon. all they can hope for is the GOP angers the public with their agenda so much the public will blindly restore the dems like they did the GOP, which never really changed from the 2012 mea culpa.

does that fancy response satisfy you now?

kane

Thanks for the response.

It is interesting that you say this. Last night I was flipping around channels and stopped on Fox news and they had a Democrat strategist on who basically said the same thing. He said one of the problems with the party is that they got distracted with things like Black Lives Matters and transgender bathrooms and got off what they used to be about which was trying to help working class, blue collar people. They took their eye off that ball and Trump was able to swoop in and offer those people something the dems weren't.

Paul Markham

You come across as someone who will always vote Republican, even if they put up a moron for the job.

Which is the route of the US's problems.

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Joshua G

yes.

another interesting factoid i heard is this...in 2008, you could be on the fence about gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, & be in the party (clintons)

but after 8 years of obama, identity politics has come to dominate the leadership, & the entire democrat establishment, that includes the media & the colleges, is now so PC extreme, dems are systematically losing elections across the country. except core blue states.

& hilarys loss despite winning the popular vote, shows the party lacks breadth. its a city urban identity politics party, & that does not play with voters in rural places. so swing voters in the midwest decide our presidents. not city voters. dems can get POTUS back when they appeal to these people. being the 2nd black president, or first woman, is, & has always been, secondary.

thats because its not a racist country. the whole liberal agenda is a race & sex lie. libs are totally lost blaming lifes unfairnesses on race & sex. & most of the people making these claims are college educated, & rich white collar people, who work in government, colleges, & the media. & recently, millionaire athletes & rappers. its insane.

so the country is going to be run by the GOP for a little while. too bad the dems cant offer a decent alternative. just more bullshit, like fake news about fake news.

Paul Markham

You come across as someone who will always vote Democrat, even if they put up a crook for the job.

This is the route of the US's problems.

This type of approach to voting means your votes are wasted. You get unelected people picking who you will vote for. Who control what they do while in power. Ending up with what is in effect a One Party state. Because only Big Business, big crime and billionaires can afford to buy politicians.

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None of what you want will happen until politicians fear losing their jobs. At the moment their biggest fear is running out of donors to fund their next election. So the people they please first are the minority.

Neither will concentrate on Jobs, Good Trade Deals, rolling Back Corruption that was meant as a joke or maybe you're serious. Because the reason the US has lost so many jobs is the piss poor trade deals which the donors insist on.

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Joshua G

the democrats have lost so much power under obama, they havent been so out of power since the 1920s.

what was the democrat party of the 1920s?

it looked like this...



today, you can say the democrat party is equally racist, just this time its this insane anti white male political correctness. manifested in black lives matter. colin kaepernick kneels. beyonce race whining. hilary sex whining.

AKA, the liberals are a racist sexist party. so they are losing everywhere except where they practice their PC extremism.

Paul Markham

None of what you want will happen until politicians fear of losing their jobs. At the moment their biggest fear is running out of donors to fund their next election. So the people they please first are the minority.

Neither will concentrate on Jobs, Good Trade Deals, rolling Back Corruption that was meant as a joke or maybe you're serious. Because the reason the US has lost so many jobs is the piss poor trade deals which the donors insist on.

If it were only the Dems, the Trade Gap would narrow, jobs would appear when the Reps were in power. Which they are in both houses.

Trump was only a GOP candidate because he said he was. Until the other bunch of no-hopers were beaten out of site. Because they would have continued with the policy of exporting jobs.

You and Joshua, plus a few more, are arguing about two parties with the same policies. Export jobs so billionaires get richer.

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kane

I vote for the candidate I think is best in some elections. In others, I vote for the non-incumbent because I believe in term limits.

NewNick

Cause you did Markham.

Millions of what ?

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Then start posting with that message and stop posting as a party faithful.

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British Pounds.

Or do you think I worked from my Mum's basement like you do.

Show us what you do online. After 8 years of retirement, I can still show something earning me money.

As I said don't think I'm like you.

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kane

I posted a lot about voting for Gary Johnson and I don't post as a party faithful.

When it comes to social things I am liberal and post as such. When it comes to fiscal things I tend to be more conservative and post as such.

Vendzilla

It's going to get worse for the democrats, in 2018, they have a lot of seats up for re election and the GOP doesn't. If the GOP does anything good for the economy, the democrats will lose more seats.

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