Just found this about TheButcher and decided it belongs here.

[sarettah]

I found this in ripoffreport and thought it belongs here. I know who was selling the domain. I did not know he had been ripped off by TheButcher.

The guy who was selling it seems like a nice guy and it is a shame that this happened to him.

I did a touch of editing so that it does not break board rules or divulge entrusted information.

One more to add to the list of TheButcher's victims.

Cliff notes version:

Guy wants to sell a domain.
Guy has done some business with TheButcher (Dave) before.
Guy contacts TheButcher to see if he wants to broker the domain for him.
Guy makes deal with TheButcher. Sell domain for $900, TheButcher gets $200.
Next Day TheButcher borrows $334 because he is short on cash, promises to pay back $440.
Time goes on, Butcher does not pay back and also does not provide info on how the domain sale is going.
Finally the guy calls out TheButcher.

Very familiar type story, isn't it?

I started to contact Dave the owner of [edited out] around the new year Eve 2015 , I was trying to sell my domain called [edited out] . Because I was unsuccesful selling any of domains on the boards , I hoped to get some interested buyers by looking for a broker. I had experience with Dave in past so I went to his forum asking for a deal he have . At first he dont show any desire to be a broker but I offered him $200 prepayment because he said $60 is small offer that he would not consider .Finally he agreed to promote my domain . The deal was if he could sell the domain at $900 then the $200 can be for him no need to refund me that.

Next day he asked me to send $334 and he will send back them $440 on Monday ($100 gift as reward for my generosity) because he is short on money . It felt very suspicious although and I did hesitate but had some compassion for him so I helped since he would assist me with domain which a big matter for me. I remember he asked me for another $300 after couple of hours but I did refuse (I got the concept he wanted to sell the domain to me after lending all the money from me- classic scam scheme. At this point I started to worry about money in fact it's seemed i sent it to the wrong person. But the next day I tried to forget my doubts to not be stressed . I give him a period .

He did not send the money as he said in meanwhile I was not getting any real updates about the domain if it get any real offer or no . I have been regular in his forum for almost every day and sending messages via pm he was un-serious
repeating words like "payment will be fine tomorrow " or my bank in holidays . then he said money stuck/froze that made i know he is lying trying to hold money for longer time but i doubted he will really scam me and turn very cruel against me after what i did to him.

Then other day another excuse because martin luther king day . I became angry and insulting I have called him scammer several times . He said he will send the money but just only to keep me calm. I did dispute the 2 payments total $534 on paypal with screenshots of the communications I got the results after few days . He won the dispute with the help of his cheating lawyer. I could not believe what happening he was lying all the them evading from refunding me trying to make stop taking action against him he was nervous. I called my credit card company about the accident they send me forms to fill chargebacks . I filled them twice and was feeling sick because no one has helped me and paypal sided with him.

I waited 3 months as my credit card suggested but again at the end he won the case because the thief faked every thing and said it's ad purchase to pp so they keep in holding money but it wasn't ,

I was scammed and they took the money from me without getting anything just troubles , pain , damages.

I even had more damages as side effect of the whole scam.

Ripoff Report

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[ctggls]

It seems this guy, the Butcher has some mixed reviews, sometimes he acts in good faith and sometimes he just scams people without hesitation... still, there's always someone ready to do business with him, despite the bad reputation...

[TeenCat]

strange, it looks like schizophrenia at its best had problem with him just in later money back, but he do not owe me anything ... have luck everyone

[marlboroack]

Butcher kinda did me a favor.. but not paying back a loan is bullshit

[Bladewire]

Too many legitimate complaints against him.

I've been here since 2003 (in the business since 1999) never complaints against me about deals or money here, ever, anywhere.

Nobody is perfect and people might have issues sometimes but the complaints about The Butcher always seem to be him KEEPING peoples money and not doing what he promised. I can't speak from experience but I trust the mounting complaints about him. He could be a great guy that's just not that good at doing business.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Too many legitimate complaints against him.

I've been here since 2003 (in the business since 1999) never complaints against me about deals or money here, ever, anywhere.

Nobody is perfect and people might have issues sometimes but the complaints about The Butcher always seem to be him KEEPING peoples money and not doing what he promised. I can't speak from experience but I trust the mounting complaints about him. He could be a great guy that's just not that good at doing business.

TheButcher is a liar, a fraud and a crook. No great guy about him. All strictly imho of course.

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[sarettah]

I was just looking back through that. I missed that there was a $200 pre-payment on the domain deal. So, TheButcher took him for $534 all together. $200 prepay for selling the domain, which did not happen, and then a $334 loan.

This ripoffreport was submitted this past July, so it is fairly recent. I can go back 11 years, since TheButcher opened his board, and find people complaining about being ripped off. Getting loans that he does not pay back is one of his main MOs.

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[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by ctggls

It seems this guy, the Butcher has some mixed reviews, sometimes he acts in good faith and sometimes he just scams people without hesitation... still, there's always someone ready to do business with him, despite the bad reputation...

Is that you, brassmonkey??

[Brian mike]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Is that you, brassmonkey??

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Brian mike

[Kelli58]

I remember when he was scamming people for ad space pretending he had an active board with all those fake members. LOL

[TeenCat]

Originally Posted by Kelli58

I remember when he was scamming people for ad space pretending he had an active board with all those fake members. LOL

his board have some friendly members as far i remember when i have been kicked out of gfy nothing wrong with it, and no problems with him, looks like double personality there, choosing who to be good to

[Paul Markham]

If it looks like duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Switch the oven on.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Still asks for advertising money on his one million Alexa board.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

no problems with him

Yeah, no problems with him if you ignore all the different people who say he has ripped them off.



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[TeenCat]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Yeah, no problems with him if you ignore all the different people who say he has ripped them off.



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what is your fucking problem you paranoic i said i myself have no problems with him, i cannot say that or what you dick?

[JesseQuinn]

apropos of completely nothing, just felt like parking this here

?when someone shows you who they are believe them. the first time.?

-Angelou

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

what is your fucking problem you paranoic i said i myself have no problems with him, i cannot say that or what you dick?

You can say anything you want and I can say whatever I want.

BUT...

You have watched your fellow members of this community, which has treated you pretty fucking good, get fucked over by this guy repeatedly and you still support him because he hasn't personally fucked you over (YET). What the fuck has TheButcher done for you that deserves so much loyalty? How much does he pay you to come in and defend him?

I would not have thought that I would ever say this about you because I always thought you were ok but you are just as bad as BrassMonkey.

Both of you should just stop posting here and go post over there where you can keep your heads up TheButcher's ass.

So, you want to come in and support him, fine, I will tell you to go fuck yourself.




All just imho of course.

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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

Butcher kinda did me a favor..

Scammers helping Scammers.

Now isn't that special?



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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Scammers helping Scammers.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

?when someone shows you who they are believe them. the first time.?

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[NatalieK]

why do people keep lending money to people?

DO BUSINESS, STOP LENDING, STOP BORROWING.

Sad story though

[bmwracer41]

Took my program for $ 1,000

Promised 100 affiliates ...delivered ZERO

Hit me up numerous times for Loans, etc...

Just like hearing here

Guy is Bad News

[Tjeezers]

he is great in making promises
but never delivers, and when we ask why not, he gives us a reason that we should accept that he was not able to do anything about it
For example, selling mobile traffic, and then losing his network with mobile domains...situations like this are typical his signature

[katja_AWNews]

Maybe " the butcher " picked his name for a reason.

[cocksucker mcgee]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

what is your fucking problem you paranoic i said i myself have no problems with him, i cannot say that or what you dick?

how you get BUTCHERFRIEND gig? he pay brassn1gnog and you. I want pay for say him good mans.

you hooking me up at him?

[desmoines]

Originally Posted by Katja wescort

Maybe " the butcher " picked his name for a reason.

https://gfy.com/20265897-post4.html


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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by bmwracer41

Took my program for $ 1,000

Promised 100 affiliates ...delivered ZERO

Hit me up numerous times for Loans, etc...

Just like hearing here

Guy is Bad News

Sorry to hear. That sucks.

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[Lichen]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I found this in ripoffreport and thought it belongs here.


Ripoff Report

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Fake nick alert.

[incredibleworkethic]

I don't get it... It's a shitty thing to take money but also time consuming and negative all around. Companies and individuals that got a better return on my previous work as a writer ended up giving me perks on top of it as a nice gesture.

If some of these people who scam put their efforts into decent work they would feel better about themselves, provide beneficial work / service and possibly get a bonus, next job, etc.

Even people who steal from Walmart risk their record for some shitty merchandise. I'm just wondering why work harder being negative than being positive and have people enjoy what you offer?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Lichen

Fake nick alert.

Where? Me? Bullshit.

I did not do the ripoff report. I would not have wasted my time. I also would never have done business with TheButcher. You can check my history on that.

So, you want to call Fake Nick on me then you better back it up with some proof or else just

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[sarettah]

Bump..waiting for Lichen to come defend his comment.

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[Hannes]

I'm just waiting to see what his reply to this is

[ctggls]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Is that you, brassmonkey??

I'm sorry miss Jackson , I am for real))

[Magnetron]

You know, I experienced something similar involving Literotica. There were all these complaints on "complaint sites" about the owner and moderators being White Supremacists.. And then when you actually go to Literotica and look around, you find that it is 2 out of the thousands of members talking smack about blacks and 95% of the posters have those 2 dopes on Ignore. And 1 of them has been banned by the owner 20 times, but keeps re-registering.

Please, don't misconstrue this as me defending Dave.

But in this age of forwarded partisan emails and fake news stories and the fact that so many Americans are incapable of factchecking, can we really take a ( disgruntled ) someone uploading a complaint at their word? Who could actually be responsible for creating the illusion of multiple complaints over a period of time?

I guess I would put more stock into the complaints of webmasters you have had more direct experience with.

Lol, now that I think about it, there were alot of ridiculous and unsubstantiated complaints about Literotica on Dave's board - some from a poster named Donny.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

I guess I would put more stock into the complaints of webmasters you have had more direct experience with.

The person who was selling the domain, and made the ripoff report, has been a member here longer than you and I have had lots of interaction with.

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[sarettah]

To the top.

Still waiting for Lichen to pop back in.

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[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by sarettah

To the top.

Still waiting for Lichen to pop back in.

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He's probably busy renegotiating a better fee from The Butcher

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

He's probably busy renegotiating a better fee from The Butcher

Ya think?

Wonder if he is using the re-hiring of BM as a bit of leverage.

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[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by sarettah

The person who was selling the domain, and made the ripoff report, has been a member here longer than you and I have had lots of interaction with.

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Sounds more legitimate than some of the other complaints.

I've been reading GFY far longer than I've been a member and I trust in your assessment of the person who filed the report.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Sounds more legitimate than some of the other complaints.

I've been reading GFY far longer than I've been a member and I trust in your assessment of the person who filed the report.

Agreed

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Agreed

And I have to agree with what you said earlier.

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Too many legitimate complaints against him.ha

I've been here since 2003 (in the business since 1999) never complaints against me about deals or money here, ever, anywhere.ha

Nobody is perfect and people might have issues sometimes but the complaints about The Butcher always seem to be him KEEPING peoples money and not doing what he promised. I can't speak from experience but I trust the mounting complaints about him. He could be a great guy that's just not that good at doing business.

Some complaints against Dave sound legit. Some complaints sound like petty retaliations easily to slipped in amongst the legitimate ones.

And some sound like piling on for the sake of fitting in with the group. He's an easy target after all. Look! Here's links to 20 threads about him being a scammer. I'm on your side. Please like me.Nevermind that those 20 threads are a mixture of complaints sounding legit, petty and of pilings on similar in nature.

Whatever the case, the attention seems to work in his favor. Hasn't deterred him. Hasn't deterred people from doing business with him.

With all the accusations of him faking accounts on his board and having fake nicks here, I find myself wondering if some of the complaints are faked as well. What better way to drum up business than manufactured controversy. One account says he's evil and here is why, some other accounts swoop in to defend him and the result is free advertising.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Whatever the case, the attention seems to work in his favor. Hasn't deterred him. Hasn't deterred people from doing business with him.

Weli, I am going to keep trying to warn people off.

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[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by ctggls

I'm sorry miss Jackson , I am for real))

fake ass troll

[wehateporn]

Putin will decide the winner

[Lewis11]

Just got to stop lending money to people..

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

And I have to agree with what you said earlier.



Some complaints against Dave sound legit. Some complaints sound like petty retaliations easily to slipped in amongst the legitimate ones.

And some sound like piling on for the sake of fitting in with the group. He's an easy target after all. Look! Here's links to 20 threads about him being a scammer. I'm on your side. Please like me.Nevermind that those 20 threads are a mixture of complaints sounding legit, petty and of pilings on similar in nature.

Whatever the case, the attention seems to work in his favor. Hasn't deterred him. Hasn't deterred people from doing business with him.

With all the accusations of him faking accounts on his board and having fake nicks here, I find myself wondering if some of the complaints are faked as well. What better way to drum up business than manufactured controversy. One account says he's evil and here is why, some other accounts swoop in to defend him and the result is free advertising.

holy shit. no wonder you are still a part-timer.

[bns666]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Scammers helping Scammers.

Now isn't that special?



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[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by Jel

holy shit. no wonder you are still a part-timer.

The operative word being still while so many full timers abandoned ship.

I've also never been scammed, scammed anyone, profited from stolen content, profited from alliances with those who profited from stolen content, told everyone at GFY they were worthless while I had more productive things to do and then slithered back in here as though I'd never said it, spent hours each day trolling Republicans or Democrats, clogged the forum up with useless news posts or snorted up my earnings.

So, I 'm not really sure what your point is.

[Magnetron]

I do occasionally make double posts.