Genuine questions for all Anti-Trump people

[ravenazrael]

Too many threads, but I still do not see the logic some of you follow. I assume people do not like Trump for reasons related to the following questions.

1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?
2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.
3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.
4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

[ErectMedia]

No arguments gonna be a Trumptastic 8 years.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

Liberals are not logical. They are controlled by emotion.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GFED

Liberals are not logical. They are controlled by emotion.

People like you are exactly the reason quality political conversations can't take place here. I was ready to answer the OP point by point but since this is now an insult hit piece thread I'll pass. Oh and to help you with your ignorance antiTrumpers are republicans, independents, conservative Democrats, liberals, etc. You have a very narrow negative political viewpoint.

In the future you might not want to derail other people's threads who weren't even addressing you, the OP clearly put a lot of effort in their post.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

People like you are exactly the reason quality political conversations can't take place here. I was ready to answer the OP point by point but since this is now an insult hit piece thread I'll pass. Oh and to help with you ignorance antiTrumpers are republicans, independents, conservative Democrats, liberals, etc. You have a very narrow negative political view.

In the future you might not want to derail other people's threads who weren't even addressing you, the OP clearly put a lot of effort in their post.

You're a hypocrite.
Put me on ignore and fuck off.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GFED

You're a hypocrite.
Put me on ignore and fuck off.

Keep derailing threads off topic quality OP's love that. I won't visit this thread again you've trashed it.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Keep derailing threads off topic quality OP's love that.

Trump loves the poorly educated

He didn't derail the thread with his two sentence comment. You're just using that as an excuse to not answer questions you can't answer.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Keep derailing threads off topic quality OP's love that.

Trump loves the poorly educated

Nothing derailed here, as you and your cronies have proven my point repeatedly.
I have a bachelor's degree in computer engineering from USF.
What is your degree in, DRAMA?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

Too many threads, but I still do not see the logic some of you follow. I assume people do not like Trump for reasons related to the following questions.

1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?
2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.
3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.
4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

How about he's a fucking liar?

If you support him can you give us a logical argument for why you like a guy that lies constantly? How can you trust anything he says when he lies so often? Would you hire someone to run a business if he lied to you all the time?

[kane]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

Too many threads, but I still do not see the logic some of you follow. I assume people do not like Trump for reasons related to the following questions.

I'll take a shot at these. These are my own opinions. I don't consider myself a true liberal. I'm pretty moderate when it comes to fiscal stuff, but I am liberal when it comes to social issues like gay marriage and legal weed.

1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?

I personally don't think Trump is a racist. I think he sometimes doesn't communicate very well. When he announced he was running for President his first statement included stuff about building the wall and protecting the borders. In that statement, he made a lot of generalizations that made it seem like most of the people coming across the border were criminals and a few of them were good people just trying to make a better life for themselves. Of course, there is no proof of that. When he issued his ban on Muslims from those seven countries the executive order wasn't very well thought out and there were people who had green cards and visas who have been living here legally not let back into the country because they were originally from one of these countries. Also, some people saw it as picking and choosing. For example, I believe most or all of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but they weren't on the list. Some people believe this is because we get oil from them and the government gets money and other things from this. This isn't racism per se, but some people questioned the logic.

He has also said he wants to start using stop and frisk tactics to deal with crime. We can debate the effectiveness of those tactics, but the truth is they will mostly be used in black neighborhoods. Many of these neighborhoods have a serious crime problem, but they see this is a racist act.

As for legal Vs illegal immigrants, we saw Trump speak just the other day about putting in place a program that would make it harder to legally immigrate here. A merit based system would allow us to cherry pick who we let into the country based on how they might benefit the country. Other countries do this, but there are a lot of people who think we are the glowing beacon of freedom and should be open to anyone who is legally trying to make a better life for themselves. After all, the Statue of Liberty says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Not " Give me you engineers and doctors."

Again, I don't think he is a racist, but some people feel his actions show a deep-seeded racism.

2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.

No President has banned the media from White House events like Trump has. Yes, the media comes after him hard, but he brought most of this shit on himself. If they print a story he doesn't like, even if it is true, he calls them fake news. If they don't run a story he thinks they should run, he calls them fake news. Trump wants the news to be exactly what he wants and how he wants it to be said and anything else is fake news. The harder he pushes, the harder they are going to push back. Trying to shut the media out and control the media reeks of facism. I don't think he is an outright facist, but I think he sometimes thinks he is a dictator and he gets pissed when he doesn't get his way.

3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.

This is one of those issues that effects a very small number of people and in my opinion was brought up by the Republicans with the simple plan of using it to fire up their base who were skeptical of Trump. That said, Laverne Cox, a transexual actor, was on Colbert the other day and wondered if she will need to carry her "papers" with her whenever she leaves the house in the event she needs to take a piss while out in public. It's a stupid thing to be fighting over.

4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.

The theory is that Putin wanted Trump over Hillary because he felt Trump would would take a softer stance against Russia than Hillary. Hillary would have kept the hardline approach up. Trump has shown that if you say nice things about him he will be your friend. The idea is that Putin feels he can better manipulate Trump so the hackers set out to help him win the election.

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

That's all I have for now. I don't necessarily believe all of these things, just trying to answer your questions based on things I have read and heard from friends and some of my own thoughts.

P.S. Sorry for the long ass post.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

There are no logical arguments. So the media relies on opinions guided by what the owners demand. Backed up by millionaire PC celebrities who are more worried about children in the Third World than children who live in the same city as they do. More worried about a school's racial mix than the education they all get, more worried about 0.01% who would prefer to have a pussy than the 80%.

Look at all the American billionaire philanthropists giving to the Third World and ignoring their fellow countrymen. Often to manipulate the tax benefits. That money would be better off in the West tax coffers to lower debt and maintain the country the money was made in.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

People like you are exactly the reason quality political conversations can't take place here. I was ready to answer the OP point by point but since this is now an insult hit piece thread I'll pass. Oh and to help you with your ignorance antiTrumpers are republicans, independents, conservative Democrats, liberals, etc. You have a very narrow negative political viewpoint.

In the future you might not want to derail other people's threads who weren't even addressing you, the OP clearly put a lot of effort in their post.

You are part of the problem and not the solution. While people continue to vote for the people who are bought and paid for, democracy slowly dies.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I was ready to answer the OP point by point but since this is now an insult hit piece thread I'll pass.

in other words your a fucking pussy who lets others decide what actions you take.

answer the questions without whining, dumbfuck! after all, you have side hobby to shit on the GOP everyday.

retard. you got NOTHING but your ignore button.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

Too many threads, but I still do not see the logic some of you follow. I assume people do not like Trump for reasons related to the following questions.

1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?
2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.
3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.
4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.

So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

Best GFY post of the month

[Barry-xlovecam]

Because I say so. Go to your room!
What are you a fucking 2 year old?

why...why...why...why...

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.


So what are so far the logical arguments against him?

wow, what a short memory some people have and forgot about all the people (including trump) who tried to prove that obama wasn't even born in the US in order to get rid of him.

[crockett]

Notice not a single Trumplet can make an argument about the fact Trump is a fucking liar..

It's not even a case of him twisting or bending facts like all politicians do. He just straight up lies to your face with a smile.

[Busty2]

Chump will go down in history for being the most Flip Flop president ever.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

1. Why is Trump a racist? Vetting terrorist and banning 7 countries is not making a generalization. Illegal immigrants is not the same as legal immigrants. So why is he a racist?

He is attempting to ban people from certain countries that have not caused any terrorist attacks in the US. We have a years long vetting process in place, and it's working.

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

2. Why is he a fascist? Mainstream media has picked on him and tried to destroy him in 30 days. Celebrities and other famous people jumped the anti-trump train. Nobody did that to Obama or Bush in the first 30 days.

The mainstream media has never liked him, and never will unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hand in the next few months. There was people who didn't like Bush and Obama - if I recall correctly there was some small protests when Obama was elected - but the movement against Trump is much, much stronger. I wasn't too fond of Bush, but I was willing to give him a chance. Less people are willing to give Trump a chance.

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

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3. Why is making people pee and take a shit in the bathroom that corresponds to the biological gender attacks the rights of those who want to change society.

This is a touchy issue and both sides make valid points.

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

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4. Why did Russians hacked the election? There is no proof about russians being the hackers. Plus, nobody typed what Hillary sent on her e-mails. She was crooked alll the time. Not because of the russians.

The Russians seem to have influenced multiple elections around the globe.

There is plenty of proof the Russians have hacked and or influenced our election to the point where Obama sanctioned Russia because of this. However, the current administration is not interested in doing anything about this because he directly benefited from this.

As for Hillary, no, no one typed her emails. At the same time, after reading tens of thousands of emails, we have discovered there was no wrong doing by Clinton or anyone on her staff. We had 11 investigations into Benghazi and her email server, and 11 times we've discovered there was no wrong doing.

[AndyA]

[baddog]

Originally Posted by escorpio

He didn't derail the thread with his two sentence comment. You're just using that as an excuse to not answer questions you can't answer.

Precisely

[Barry-xlovecam]

kids -- go play

The answer is in politics you are known by the company you keep

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

8 years...

[GFED]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

8 years...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

PC celebrities who are more worried about children in the Third World than children who live in the same city as they do..

paul markham alert! went to film children in the 3rd world instead of filming children in his own city

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

in other words your a fucking pussy who lets others decide what actions you take.

answer the questions without whining, dumbfuck! after all, you have side hobby to shit on the GOP everyday.

retard. you got NOTHING but your ignore button.

Bladewhiner, crockett and Barry couldn't answer a singe question.

[ravenazrael]

I only read 2 or 3 relevant answers. So to get back to the topic

- He banned news outlets that are manipulating news against him They are biased and sold out to HRC. Maybe you can say it is a bad move, but people whine as if he killed the reporters.
- Regarding immigrants. I think vetting is important. I'm an immigrant myself. I do think that bad immigrants give all immigrants a bad reputation.
Months ago my friend who had an MBA, 10 years of international experience, took post graduate studies in Ontario and worked legally part-time was not able to score required points to be considered to apply to the canadian visa because his english was intermediate. Whereas others are brought and get paid to study and have benefits when they have no even a career.

Applying to the US resident visa is not easy, but others just stayed illegally and got citizenship thanks to Obama. Why would somebody try to be honest and play by the rules, as cheating is praised by liberals?

- Bathrooms and teaching kids that they can define their sexuality as they grow up won't eradicate bullying. What about fat guys, what about teens with acne, what about ugly kids. They are bullied too.. will there be a hot girls fucking losers program to not offend them and stop bullying?

- Basically USA has influenced -and bombed- every country they could take natural resources from; however, they cry about hacking a crooked old lady? Something is not logic here.


Conclusion
Regardless of if people like Trump or not, he gets blasted as if he would have massacred hundreds of thousands or as he would be a James Bond villain

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ravenazrael

- Basically USA has influenced -and bombed- every country they could take natural resources from; however, they cry about hacking a crooked old lady? Something is not logic here.

Please don't take this personally, you're an idiot.

No offense

Canada does all the military work with us and has for decades so you can take your anti American war mongering bullshit and shove it up your ass.

You don't mention your country Canada working hand in hand with us, just as guilty as us, and put all your negative judgemental shit on us fuck off

Canadian CF-18s ended bombing mission in Iraq and Syria on Monday, military confirms | National Post

Canada reviews military support for Kurds in post-ISIL northern Iraq, while U.S. to boost intervention in northern Syria

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Please don't take this personally, you're an idiot.

No offense

Canada does all the military work with and has for decades so you can take your anti American war mongering bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Canadian CF-18s ended bombing mission in Iraq and Syria on Monday, military confirms | National Post

Mods? - ban this cuck!

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Please don't take this personally, you're an idiot.

No offense

the second dumbest poster on gfy wont answer questions, because "this is an insult thread."

then insults OP. no offense!

[Joshua G]

[GFED]

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

the second dumbest poster on gfy wont answer questions, because "this is an insult thread."

then insults OP. no offense!

Classic Bladewhiner.

[ravenazrael]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Please don't take this personally, you're an idiot.

No offense

Canada does all the military work with us and has for decades so you can take your anti American war mongering bullshit and shove it up your ass.

I guess you are the idiot who cannot defend his point thus has to find a flaw in somebody else to put blame on and change the topic.

Canada has its own issues... starting with the Drama Teacher, but you could never defend any of the comments and more importantly you could not mention any rational explanation that backs up the irrational hate for Trump that you and other #crybabies preach.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The left is out of arguments