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Old 03-11-2017, 01:18 AM   #51
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That's all well and good but you're missing one key play in this chess game....

This information is being released by Putin while Putin's puppet is in office, for maximum damage.

If our government topples we'll have a corrupt dictator in charge.

Its all well and good to want to know how the sausage is made in our government and be critical of the process and it's secrets, but the alternative is a dictatorship, instigated by Putin.

Remember, they're not exposing secrets to make our society better, their goal is to turn our society into a dictatorship they control. Putin kills his advesaries and has silenced free speech in his country. That's not what I want or how I'm going to live.
In what world do you think the US is not a dictatorship?

Other than a complete outsider like Trump getting voted in.

Your politicians are told what to do and when to do it by a very small group of big corporations who can afford to re-elect them. Have you watched Miss Sloane and how much truth do you see in the scenario of big money telling politicians how to vote?

As for free speech. You talking on here means nothing against the $billions spent to get the person the billionaires want elected.
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:54 AM   #52
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In what world do you think the US is not a dictatorship?
We have 3 branches of power in America. I explained this in the other thread ( executive, legislative & juducial)

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Other than a complete outsider like Trump getting voted in.
Trump is a 1% billionaire Paul. He's a born & bred Manhattan, N.Y. fat cat elite. He's been hobnobbing with the rich and powerful for decades and has golfed 3cdays a week since becoming president.







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Your politicians are told what to do and when to do it by a very small group of big corporations who can afford to re-elect them. Have you watched Miss Sloane and how much truth do you see in the scenario of big money telling politicians how to vote?

As for free speech. You talking on here means nothing against the $billions spent to get the person the billionaires want elected.
Right. Trump is no different and he was never an outsider but for the year he ran for POTUS. His actions since being elected have been tax breaks for the rich , golfing & reducing regulations for big business (some of which I agree with, others are not good)
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Old 03-11-2017, 03:08 AM   #53
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I'm not religious or even spiritual in the least, but your definition of spirituality is grossly misinformed...

spirituality saves millions daily. it can help people cope with addiction, battle depression, reconnect with their family or friends. It can inspire people to do good for others, it can aid in rehabilitation. People who have lost everything. Family, money, jobs can sometimes be saved by having someone, maybe even a stranger, believe in them--even just a little bit is enough sometimes. Can knowledge save everyone from that? Are you going to take a class at a local community college to help you with your depression? I'm sure that would work for a few, but not most. You could spend years writing up a dissertation on anxiety, but would that help prevent you from suffering from it yourself? Probably not.

Whether it is done through religion or through ddp yoga who gives a shit? As long as someone finds something positive to help get back on track and maybe even give a little back themselves is only a good thing right? Humanity will never go forward unless spirituality exists in one form or another.
Hear, hear!
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Old 03-11-2017, 03:55 AM   #54
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I'm not religious or even spiritual in the least, but your definition of spirituality is grossly misinformed...

spirituality saves millions daily. it can help people cope with addiction, battle depression, reconnect with their family or friends. It can inspire people to do good for others, it can aid in rehabilitation. People who have lost everything. Family, money, jobs can sometimes be saved by having someone, maybe even a stranger, believe in them--even just a little bit is enough sometimes. Can knowledge save everyone from that? Are you going to take a class at a local community college to help you with your depression? I'm sure that would work for a few, but not most. You could spend years writing up a dissertation on anxiety, but would that help prevent you from suffering from it yourself? Probably not.

Whether it is done through religion or through ddp yoga who gives a shit? As long as someone finds something positive to help get back on track and maybe even give a little back themselves is only a good thing right? Humanity will never go forward unless spirituality exists in one form or another.
saved me typing out a long reply all I'll add is spirituality has nothing to do with religion (though you can obviously be both if you choose). Seems mark is confusing spirituality with religion or possibly (likely) spiritualism. Two very different words.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:26 AM   #55
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saved me typing out a long reply all I'll add is spirituality has nothing to do with religion (though you can obviously be both if you choose). Seems mark is confusing spirituality with religion or possibly (likely) spiritualism. Two very different words.
Correct on every count as well as your comment about Mark, I think.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:48 AM   #56
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saved me typing out a long reply all I'll add is spirituality has nothing to do with religion (though you can obviously be both if you choose). Seems mark is confusing spirituality with religion or possibly (likely) spiritualism. Two very different words.
the problem with spirituality through religion is that it can be manipulated by religious leaders.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:41 AM   #57
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That's all well and good but you're missing one key play in this chess game....

This information is being released by Putin while Putin's puppet is in office, for maximum damage.

If our government topples we'll have a corrupt dictator in charge.

Its all well and good to want to know how the sausage is made in our government and be critical of the process and it's secrets, but the alternative is a dictatorship, instigated by Putin.

Remember, they're not exposing secrets to make our society better, their goal is to turn our society into a dictatorship they control. Putin kills his advesaries and has silenced free speech in his country. That's not what I want or how I'm going to live.

So your logic then is.... "I don't want to take a chance on living in a country that kills people and silences free speech, so I want my government to kill people and silence free speech in order to avoid that possibility".


It's an interesting perspective. I'll grant you that....




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