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Old 03-14-2017, 04:38 PM   #51
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:39 PM   #52
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Talking about terrorists, the reason i call you a hypocrite is that your goverment supports real terrorists by the name of PKK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...rkers%27_Party) allowing them to train their members in your country (Dutch police raid 'PKK paramilitary camp' | News | Expatica the Netherlands this is a so called raid by the Dutch goverment. All members were released very shortly after this) and also allowing them to demonstrate whenever they want.

You have DUTCH journalists actively supporting the PKK
https://frederikegeerdink.com/
This whore spent 3 months in a PKK camp and is still free as a bird.

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BTW did i already mentioned that the PKK, responsible for 16.000 civilians being killed, is designated as a terrorist organization by the NATO, US State Department and several other countries? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...ror ist_group)

I never ever saw any PKK member in the Netherlands being hunted by police dogs or whatsoever. You are a hypocrite and so is your goverment.

Ok, you can fuck off now.

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Old 03-14-2017, 04:42 PM   #53
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erdogan is the same disaster for turkey as trump is for US.
this is one of the most inaccurate comparisons i have seen on here. How is Trump a disaster? Because he doesn't want to continue the war, destruction and division agenda of Bush, Clinton and Obama?

And please don't respond with false narratives spread by CNN and other establishment brainwash extensions.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:37 PM   #54
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this is one of the most inaccurate comparisons i have seen on here. How is Trump a disaster? Because he doesn't want to continue the war, destruction and division agenda of Bush, Clinton and Obama?

And please don't respond with false narratives spread by CNN and other establishment brainwash extensions.
How is Trump a disaster?

He promised a wall - congress is not giving him money for a wall - no wall

He promised nobody would lose insurance when congress appeals ObamaCare - report out today 24-40 million people will lose healthcare.

You are in denial. If you lived in America you would know these basics of daily political current events you are a Trump hack, no dignity honor or honesty from you regarding Trump
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Old 03-15-2017, 04:05 AM   #55
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Today the Dutch have a chance to tell Turkey where to stuff their protests.
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:27 AM   #56
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this is one of the most inaccurate comparisons i have seen on here. How is Trump a disaster? Because he doesn't want to continue the war, destruction and division agenda of Bush, Clinton and Obama?
if he doesn´t want to continue the war WHY THE hell he want 54 billion more for the "military defense" ?

and did you realize that this division agend was not from obama and also not from bush?

it is a agenda from the big companies what are running USA politics since decades.
they don´t sit in the president´s chair - they just buy everyone from senator til the president and even a president who would WANT to change that will stuck at the senate or the congress.

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And please don't respond with false narratives spread by CNN and other establishment brainwash extensions.
i never get my information from ONE media only. out of that i can count 1+1 together and I know a lot of historical facts.

from these facts I also know that the weakest part of all is the democracy itself what make changes extremely hard. but "hard" doesn´t mean "impossible" - it is just a question of time and education.
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:53 AM   #57
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The conflict started because the minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu was planning to address the people in connection with the referendum, at which the question of expanding the powers of the president of the country, Recep Erdoğan.
In my opinion, in order to speak before compatriots, there is no need to gather crowds in other people's streets. There are media, the Internet, at last. The Dutch do not enjoy the riots that do not concern them.
he was gonna hold a rally in a foreign country? and is surprised his visa was revoked?

my god
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:25 AM   #58
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he was gonna hold a rally in a foreign country? and is surprised his visa was revoked?

my god
Well, it is even worse. The law in Turkey, signed by Erdogan, forbids campaigning in other countries. But he needs the votes outside Turkey for his referendum so he can become the new Sultan.

And the minister knew he wasn't welcome and lied to the Dutch President that he wasn't coming, while he was posting on facebook that he would give a speech and asked everyone to join. Than 2 or 3 convoys came from germany trying to mislead the police that wanted them to stop. In the end she get captured in Rotterdam near the Turkish consulate. The special forces took her out of the car, cause they where also afraid of a gunfight with the Turkish bodyguards.

A lot of countries don't like it and protest against it. Some countries protest more than the others or just turn a blind eye. Saying Erdogan is a dictator, but not doing anything about it. But i am sure this his a lot to do with the Dutch elections. The Dutch government had intelligence that this was the Turkish plan and prepared.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:04 AM   #59
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Your simple mind can only think everybody not supporting Putin, Erdogon & Trump is a liberal. Very unfortunate you can't learn foreign politics competently and name call opposing views instead of using your intelect, if you have any

he couldn't go 5 minutes without posting...again

Bladewire and Crockett are the same person.

fake nics ! they should both be banned.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:36 AM   #60
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:37 PM   #61
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Well, it is even worse. The law in Turkey, signed by Erdogan, forbids campaigning in other countries. But he needs the votes outside Turkey for his referendum so he can become the new Sultan.

And the minister knew he wasn't welcome and lied to the Dutch President that he wasn't coming, while he was posting on facebook that he would give a speech and asked everyone to join. Than 2 or 3 convoys came from germany trying to mislead the police that wanted them to stop. In the end she get captured in Rotterdam near the Turkish consulate. The special forces took her out of the car, cause they where also afraid of a gunfight with the Turkish bodyguards.

A lot of countries don't like it and protest against it. Some countries protest more than the others or just turn a blind eye. Saying Erdogan is a dictator, but not doing anything about it. But i am sure this his a lot to do with the Dutch elections. The Dutch government had intelligence that this was the Turkish plan and prepared.
Again, you are just a simple dutch guy, reading a bunch of local newspapers and other PVV supported forums. Copy pasting things you think sound logic.
Stop politics please.

That rule which was signed by Erdogan, during the period Fethullah Gulen was his " master ", is not new and he knows very good that he is not allowed to campaign in a foreign country.
His mission was to make it look like he wanted to do propaganda and create chaos, "wake up" his sheeps in holland and mainly win votes from neutral Turkish citizens in Holland for his own party in Turkey AND votes for local Turkish DENK in Dutch goverment.
This tactic was also in BIG favour of current Dutch PM Rutte btw who took this chance to show the right wing (mainly PVV voters) that he stood up and kicked erdogan out of the country.
This whole game was a BIG success for Erdogan and also for Rutte.

Don't get a heartattack when one day some document leaks which will proof that this whole " propaganda " shit was one big agreement between both Turkey and the Netherlands just to make sure the biggest party in both countries got more votes.
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:33 PM   #62
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Again, you are just a simple dutch guy, reading a bunch of local newspapers and other PVV supported forums. Copy pasting things you think sound logic.
Stop politics please.

This whole game was a BIG success for Erdogan and also for Rutte.

Don't get a heartattack when one day some document leaks which will proof that this whole " propaganda " shit was one big agreement between both Turkey and the Netherlands just to make sure the biggest party in both countries got more votes.
You are so smart that you didn't read that i already said that Erdogan an Rutte will be the big winners and i also said it looked lik a set up. And i also saw it as a Denk campaign. But that doesn't influence my opinion.

The sheep are the turkish that believe all the lies of Erdogan. Such dump people we don't want in our country. If they don't like it in Holland, because it is full of facist and nazis, go back to where you feel welcome. In this case, Erdohitlers Turkey.

Again, suggesting that everyone that has another opinion must be a nazi, a wilders fan bla bla bla. Framing. Enought Turkish people that think the same way and don't vote Denk and are ashamed how stupid some Turkish people are. But only Turkish people may say about other people to go back? Several Turkish people mayors, ministers from Turkish origine have said the same.
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:23 AM   #63
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Sadly not enough Dutch people stood up for a new way of doing things. Over the coming years, they will be made to regret their choice.
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I think erdogan should ask for more money from the USA and the EU because he is taking care of US foreign policy shit and keeping 3 million refugees in his country...nobody is obliged to clean western shit and he should make the west pay out of its ass for destabilizing countries around him...

if the EU really wants less immigrants it should stop licking US foreign policy asshole that creates them in the first place...super simple stuff
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Old 03-16-2017, 05:41 AM   #66
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Putin is behind this, don't forget Turkey's Erdogan is Putin's lapdog who's new dictatorship is propped up by Putin.

Who could imagine a dictator attacking the liberalism of a European nation, same playbook as before.

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this is one of the most inaccurate comparisons i have seen on here. How is Trump a disaster? Because he doesn't want to continue the war, destruction and division agenda of Bush, Clinton and Obama?

And please don't respond with false narratives spread by CNN and other establishment brainwash extensions.
I guess you haven't noticed that drone attacks are up 300% by the Trump admin and we now have troops in Syria.. Yes peaceful Trump..
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:19 AM   #69
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Sadly not enough Dutch people stood up for a new way of doing things. Over the coming years, they will be made to regret their choice.
You mean like this faithful former pro-Trumper..



From yesterday @ Trump's rally.
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