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Old 04-06-2017, 09:18 AM   #1
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Rogue One "dead actors should not be replicated in CGI IMHO

I watched this StarWars spin off last night and was a little disappointed. Not with the film itself, but with the CGI: Peter Cushing's Grand Moff Tarkin and Carrie Fisher's Princess Leia. To me they looked horrific, the eyes made them look like the walking dead. Its way too early in CGI's history to start trying to replace actors, even dead ones.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:31 AM   #2
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Too early? it has been around since what? the late 80's? It was so impressive i thought they got a look a like for tarkin... I guess when you know all the details before you see the movie it kind or ruins the experience. Part of the reason why i don't wait around to see movies that are this popular. You can ruin any movie that way.

It is used more as a tribute more than anything. Carrie Fisher was still alive when they shot that as well.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:47 AM   #3
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Not gonna ready your full sentence, please no spoils guys!!
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:54 AM   #4
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As someone who does CG for a living, I'm actually very forgiving of most dodgy CG in movies. But sometimes I feel like there's no excuse for it, given the budget of the film and pedigree of the people working on it. That said, I don't think they did a great job with either of those Cg humans. Peter Cushing was almost cartoonish looking in real life, but the version they created for Rogue One looked like something from a video game cutscene.

Carrie Fisher was freaky looking too. I don't think we're at the place yet where it's fully convincing, but it could have been better. A few years ago there was a commercial with a CG Audrey Hepburn that looked better than Rogue One.

Still a good movie though.

It really wouldn't have bothered me if they just let Guy Henry (the stand in for the CG) do the job himself. He looks a little like Peter Cushing, and they could have pushed that further with makeup -- and he's also a pretty damn good actor.

Ok, back then I thought this looked amazing but standards are higher now. It looks OK



maybe when they finally get this stuff right, we can have a buddy western starring John Wayne, Bruce Lee and Elvis.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:34 AM   #5
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Too early? it has been around since what? the late 80's? It was so impressive i thought they got a look a like for tarkin... I guess when you know all the details before you see the movie it kind or ruins the experience. Part of the reason why i don't wait around to see movies that are this popular. You can ruin any movie that way.

It is used more as a tribute more than anything. Carrie Fisher was still alive when they shot that as well.
Yes, way too early, I had been in Special Effects for more than 32 years and watched the first fumbles of CGI in Species and other similar mistakes. I worked on the first Star Wars back in the UK when CGI wasn't even on the drawing boards. They have come a long way, a great example are the Jurassic Park films which use a combination of GCI and practical effects. But to replicate a human is not easy as the eyes always look dead. There is no spark of life there, with practical model making they got around this by adding small light sources which seemed to bring them to life. I've been using Maya, Flame,haHarry and other CGI programs now for 10 years and its still not possible to replicate human eyes well enough to make them appear real. Not saying its impossible buy from what i have seem they are still a long way off yet
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:20 AM   #6
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I was more disappointed with the ground assault myself. it stopped being star wars and became saving private ryan in space, those soldiers were so obviously made to be as "American G.I." as possible, ruined the whole film for me.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:35 AM   #7
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Star wars will never feel like the originals but as a YUGE Star wars fan I am happy they are creating more films!
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I saw no issues with the CGI. I thought it was great.

Eventually we'll be using CGI to bring back all kinds of great actors and actresses.

Imagine being able to see a new movie with Elvis Presley in it.
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Old 04-06-2017, 12:38 PM   #9
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I was more disappointed with the ground assault myself. it stopped being star wars and became saving private ryan in space, those soldiers were so obviously made to be as "American G.I." as possible, ruined the whole film for me.
For me the bigger issue is they show certain shots/storylines during the Trailer then when the actual film comes out there's no such footage. To me this is akin to false advertising and there should actually be a Law against it.

I mean, you see a preview, think it's cool, think "I can't wait to see that!" Then go to the film and that cool shot you saw from the preview is nowhere in the film. Complete and utter bullshit and someone should get a class action lawsuit together to stop this practice.
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