Can a microscopic single celled organism be created from virtually nothing?

[Smack dat]

Clever GFYers.

Where would a single cell organism originate from if their was no pevious life form of any sort but the conditions were fine?

[CaptainHowdy]

Yes, because nothingness has a real substance (we just don't have empirical access to it).

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Yes, because nothingness has a real substance (we just don't have empirical access to it).

Can you explain how this would happen?

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

Can you explain how this would happen?

I'm a philosopher, I don't have the answers ... I just worsen the questions.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I'm a philosopher, I don't have the answers ... I just worsen the questions.

I have seen a lot of rich people be marked as philosophers. How do I become one and what does it involve?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Yes, because nothingness has a real substance (we just don't have empirical access to it).

that´s a really smart answer - i agree with.

but WE DO HAVE access to it - it is all around us.

the most popular example is electricity. if you add the power of plus an minus you get to zero. if you can get to zero by adding plus and minus it must be possible to reverse that and divide zero in 2 similar but opposite numbers (i.e. -1000 and +1000 )

i call that the "zero theory" and it explains nearly EVERYTHING on earth and in everybody´s life and when you count EVERYTHING together i am pretty sure that the result will be ZERO.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

I have seen a lot of rich people be marked as philosophers. How do I become one and what does it involve?

the anser on that is also quite easy because the distance to the top of a mountain is the same as the distance from the top to the dale.

if you are exepting deep dales you will see high mountains and vice versa.

if you once realized that in your mind you will come to the conclusion that everything what is existing and everything what happens is good or bad for something else.

means: maybe you win in the lottery and pay it with getting cancer.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by thommy

the anser on that is also quite easy because the distance to the top of a mountain is the same as the distance from the top to the dale.

if you are exepting deep dales you will see high mountains and vice versa.

if you once realized that in your mind you will come to the conclusion that everything what is existing and everything what happens is good or bad for something else.

means: maybe you win in the lottery and pay it with getting cancer.

Are you a philosopher? You sound like one.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

Are you a philosopher? You sound like one.

without philosophy life would be hard to understand.
but i am more a "practical philosopher" - i make no physical laws out of philosophy, but seek the philosophy in physical and mathematical laws

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by thommy

without philosophy life would be hard to understand.
but i am more a "practical philosopher" - i make no physical laws out of philosophy, but seek the philosophy in physical and mathematical laws

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

[LovinNothin]

They made it in a lab.

Scientist Craig Venter creates life for first time in laboratory sparking debate about 'playing god' - Telegraph

I can't find the other article, but I have read that with carbon, water, and electricity (lighting strikes) some basic building blocks of life was created in a lab, similar to natural surroundings. Not life, but the building blocks for RNA.

[Paul Markham]

Nothing comes from nothing. GFY has lots of proof

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I'm a philosopher, I don't have the answers ... I just worsen the questions.

Thats awesome.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I'm a philosopher, I don't have the answers ... I just worsen the questions.

Honesty.

[Bladewire]

Life is the universe trying to understand itself.

It's impossible to observe nothing because you'd have to disregard the presence of the observer, which is something.

We are the creators. We make reality out of our imagination, this is our purpose, as I imagine it.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Life is the universe trying to understand itself.

It's impossible to observe nothing because you'd have to disregard the presence of the observer, which is something.

We are the creators. We make reality out of our imagination, this is our purpose, as I imagine it.

the question is if the is nothing what you just not see or if there is nothing BECAUSE you are observing it.

heissenbergs philosophical question "Does the moon exist when no one is observing it?" (what he have asked in the 1930s was for many years just a philosophical methapher but in the modern world of quantum physics this sentence suddenly becomes reality.

things are not reacting the same when you watch them as when you don´t watch and werner heissenbergs uncertainty principle is a prooven reality - even when we still do not understand why.

things what are not existing are not only there in one moment - they are there on 2 or more spots at the same time. this is a quite phaszinating science and will replace a lot of established natural and phisical laws in the next 10 years.
so no paul: it is prooven already that many things can come from nothing.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

the question is if the is nothing what you just not see or if there is nothing BECAUSE you are observing it.

heissenbergs philosophical question "Does the moon exist when no one is observing it?" (what he have asked in the 1930s was for many years just a philosophical methapher but in the modern world of quantum physics this sentence suddenly becomes reality.

things are not reacting the same when you watch them as when you don´t watch and werner heissenbergs uncertainty principle is a prooven reality - even when we still do not understand why.

things what are not existing are not only there in one moment - they are there on 2 or more spots at the same time. this is a quite phaszinating science and will replace a lot of established natural and phisical laws in the next 10 years.
so no paul: it is prooven already that many things can come from nothing.

We have imagined the concept of nothing into our reality, some accept it, others do not. To accept that "nothing" exists/existed you must have faith because you cannot rely on the experience, or memory, of "nothing".

The observer isn't necessary for the concept of "nothing" to exist. Just remember that for you to conceive "nothing" your mind has to imagine something void of everything, the perception of the unperceivable.

My opinion is the recent push for the acceptance in the belief that there is/was the existence of a "nothing" is religion riding on the back of physics for validation that our existence is a miracle from something so powerful it gifted all that we know out of "nothing".

Think about this: Who/what benefits from you accepting that a void in perception "nothing" exists/existed? Science doesn't benefit. Logic doesn't benefit. Physics doesn't benefit. Only religion benefits.

If you believe that "something" has always existed, then there is no higher power that created all you know from... "nothing".

We are the creators. See all we know created from nothing in the video below. We are the magic that others want us to believe only God is.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

We have imagined the concept of nothing into our reality, some accept it, others do not. To accept that "nothing" exists/existed you must have faith because you cannot rely on the experience, or memory, of "nothing".

The observer isn't necessary for the concept of "nothing" to exist. Just remember that for you to conceive "nothing" your mind has to imagine something void of everything, the perception of the unperceivable.

My opinion is the recent push for the acceptance in the belief that there is/was the existence of a "nothing" is religion riding on the back of physics for validation that our existence is a miracle from something so powerful it gifted all that we know out of "nothing".

Think about this: Who/what benefits from you accepting that a void in perception "nothing" exists/existed? Science doesn't benefit. Logic doesn't benefit. Physics doesn't benefit. Only religion benefits.

If you believe that "something" has always existed, then there is no higher power that created all you know from... "nothing".

i am not religious at all and what i am talking about is also far from any religion. it is possibly the opposite of it because modern science can give meanwhile many answers on things what have been reserved for mystics and religion.

our brain is not even able to imagin "nothing" because not one of us have ever seen nothing. if you llok into an empty room and you even take the walls away you will still see space - and space is already something - without space also no time would exist and that makes the religious answer what was before space unlogic. because if there is no space there is no time and where is no time there can´t be a before.

so it looks like the answer is, that in the beginning of time "nothing" has just split in all positive and negative parts - and this is all what we see and what we are and what is happening around us. the only last and unanswered question is what made "nothing" to fall in its positives and negatives.

[Smack dat]

I think the thread I created was beyond my comfort zone.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

so it looks like the answer is, that in the beginning of time "nothing" has just split in all positive and negative parts - and this is all what we see and what we are and what is happening around us. the only last and unanswered question is what made "nothing" to fall in its positives and negatives.

In our reality time is measured in three dimensional space.

For you to state "in the beginning of time" indicates that you have faith there is/was the existance of something devoid of three dimentional space where time didn't/doesn't exist, because it couldn't, an entity devoid of space & time that conceived the beginning of time where it had never existed before.

We are the creators.

Sometimes we get boggled down in things but look around you, at the life you've created. Imagine all the things left for you to create; memories, things, concepts, etc. What will happen to them when you die?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Sometimes we get boggled down in things but look around you, at the life you've created. Imagine all the things left for you to create; memories, things, concepts, etc. What will happen to them when you die?

They get stored in a garage in Pittsburgh.

[Bladewire]

What if it's our decision what happens after we die? If we believe there's more, or regeneration, or whatever, then there is, another existence. But if we don't believe it then nothing happens?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

Clever GFYers.

Where would a single cell organism originate from if their was no pevious life form of any sort but the conditions were fine?

It was created already. Tiny Artificial Life: Lab-Made Bacterium Sports Smallest Genome Yet

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

What if it's our decision what happens after we die? If we believe there's more, or regeneration, or whatever, then there is, another existence. But if we don't believe it then nothing happens?

That is the most stupid shit I have ever heard in my life. When your battery runs out and your brain no longer fires neurons you stop. There is nothing. It will be as if you never existed at all. There is no more you. GONE

[thommy]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

That is the most stupid shit I have ever heard in my life. When your battery runs out and your brain no longer fires neurons you stop. There is nothing. It will be as if you never existed at all. There is no more you. GONE

i wouldn´s say that because it depends on how you define "me".

i mean we are all from the same billions of year old molecueles created at the big bang and if we die these molecules will still exist.

so whenever something "alive" is born it will be made from the same molecules what have been before part of someone or something else.

so "me" is never something new - it is just a new mix of many "mes"

and if the little "mes" are able to safe information you got the explaination of something what we call "instinct".

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by thommy

i wouldn´s say that because it depends on how you define "me".

i mean we are all from the same billions of year old molecueles created at the big bang and if we die these molecules will still exist.

so whenever something "alive" is born it will be made from the same molecules what have been before part of someone or something else.

so "me" is never something new - it is just a new mix of many "mes"

and if the little "mes" are able to safe information you got the explaination of something what we call "instinct".

That is more physical than, say memory or personality that makes an individual. When I said there would at that moment be no more me that is what I was referring to.

If we all have the molecules of others in us I hope I have at least of few from Adolf Hitler in me.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

That is the most stupid shit I have ever heard in my life. When your battery runs out and your brain no longer fires neurons you stop. There is nothing. It will be as if you never existed at all. There is no more you. GONE

That's not reality.

When you die today their are copies of remnants of you everywhere and people have to be told you're dead to know your physical body no longer functions.

Think about how many emails you're gonna get after you die, and for how long.