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Sid70 · 06-01-2017, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

So glad we voted out. Wish it wasnt 2 years of sorting things out though, id rather be out sooner. Let Germany pay Britain's contributions when we are gone. They are idiots anyway

Most of my UK friends are against Brexit. Just saying.

Paul Markham · 06-01-2017, 08:50 AM

If the EU were truly democratic it would ask all the people in the old Common Market if they wanted to convert to the new EU which would then work towards taking Europe in a United States of Europe.

So far politicians of both sides rarely ask the public specifically want they Europe to be.

Sid70 · 06-01-2017, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If the EU were truly democratic it would ask all the people in the old Common Market if they wanted to convert to the new EU which would then work towards taking Europe in a United States of Europe.

So far politicians of both sides rarely ask the public specifically want they Europe to be.

USE is utopia, IMO, same as World Government.

k0nr4d · 06-01-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I'm not "acting" at all ;) Your Eastern European prostitutes are already there (Polish, Czech, Slovakian, Baltic etc), but just try to imagine what will happen when a very poor country with a 45 million population will get a visa free regime with the EU. A country which is famous for super hot girls (hands down here), prostitution and the greatest in the world HIV epidemic.

I like to think Poland has hands-down the cleanest prostitutes in the region!

crockett · 06-01-2017, 10:54 AM

nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

ianmoone332000 · 06-01-2017, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

Most of my UK friends are against Brexit. Just saying.

Yeah they are the minority in Britain then

Bladewire · 06-01-2017, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

BOOM!

👍🏼😂

just a punk · 06-01-2017, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

That's because there is no direct election system in the USA. Electors vote for the peasants.

nico-t · 06-02-2017, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

Are you seriously comparing your system of a representative democracy in one country to a centralized EU dictatorship overruling individual sovereign countries democracies and laws?

nico-t · 06-02-2017, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

BOOM!

👍🏼😂

diffused by common sense and facts, sorry to disappoint

Paul Markham · 06-02-2017, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

They fought under the same rules. Clinton lost under those rules. If the rules had been different, the fight would have been different.

Paul Markham · 06-02-2017, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

USE is utopia, IMO, same as World Government.

USE will be an expensive nightmare.

Already we see the richest few subsidising the poorest many. Add the migration effect that takes the low-skilled workers from the poorest countries and puts them into the richer countries. Causing more unemployment, lower wages and increased benefits.

EU migrants without a job make up city the size of Bristol

Three million EU migrants to keep benefits after Brexit in breach of Tory manifesto

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Male migrants are concentrated in the two lowest paid occupational categories (elementary and processing occupations) and in one of the highest paid occupational categories (professional), while female migrants are more concentrated in professional jobs (e.g. nurses, engineering professionals, information technology and telecommunication, and health professionals), elementary (e.g. cleaners, kitchen and catering assistants), and personal service work.

Why take so many low paid workers with 1.6 million unemployed? The real level is said to be 3.5 million. Many low-paid in the UK get subsidies from the government so they can survive. Allowing big business to get away with holding wages down.

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The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing.

This is slowly bankrupting the UK, along with a few more European countries.

Thommy will tell us this is all good. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-num...percent-2016-9

The EU refused David Cameron this proposal. Seems Merkel doesn't get the same treatment. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iming-benefits

pimpmaster9000 · 06-02-2017, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

Are you seriously comparing your system of a representative democracy in one country to a centralized EU dictatorship overruling individual sovereign countries democracies and laws?

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common. You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president. 48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton. 46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump. 5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate. Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president. Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice. I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.