Paul Markham

Now we are debating, what is morality?

Some obvious ones are in the Ten Commandments, like thou shalt not kill, rob, covet thy neighbours wife, cow or dog. But what about the ones regarding a mythical god?

After Moses came done from the mountain with such wise words. He told them god had given them land someone else was living on and they should take it at the end of a sword. didn't take long for the Jews to kick those commandments out. Something they're still doing today.

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Tasty1

yes, it is a virus

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Sarn

mythical god not dangerous when to teach people the ten commandments - morality, but dangerous when politicans broke commandment like "You must not commit murder" and "You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour."

Paul Markham

No religion has got it even close to how the world was formed. All are very recent in the history of Man. No religion had any help from a mythical being to rule the world. Most religions have all but died out. Religion was used to explain what Man didn't know.

So give me one logical argument to the existence of a god like being of any kind.

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TheSquealer

First and foremost, no one has defined "morality" - making the entire discussion of morality and religion a bit moronic.

Definitions vary.

One way to define it is by simply looking at what part of the brain is processing the question. Reason and moral questions are processed very differently and in different areas in the brain and moral questions and moral processing in the brain are easily identified with brain scans.

Generally speaking, its about how people interact with and treat each other, keeping it fair, not harming others, taking care of others etc.

I'm not going to waste my time laying out all the research and studies to people who won't read it and really don't care about facts, but rather to defend a personal narrative and set up pre-determined beliefs.

Morality is not determined by religion.

We are born with a basic framework for morality. We, as infants understand not to hurt other infants etc. This "framework" - becomes more nuanced with life experience.

a quick example from the very first link of the first search i did: HERE

Furthermore, religion is not "morality". Religion could be defined more accurately as a "moral system" as its many parts which make up the whole, the majority of which have to do with addressing moral issues. Religion includes a lot of things which guide a culture from how to treat food, what to eat, to be clean/sanitary, how to conduct war, what to do with bodies etc. etc. etc.

A quick definition of moral system by one of the worlds leading experts on moral psychology, Jonathan Haidt:

"Moral systems are interlocking sets of values, virtues, norms, practices, identities, institutions, technologies, and evolved psychological mechanisms that work together to suppress or regulate self-interest and make cooperative societies possible."

Let me be clear here first....

I don't believe in God.
I don't believe there is a God.
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell.

That said, a reasonable person would have to take a hard look at religion with an open mind to understand why its survived in one form or another in every culture everywhere on earth.

Obviously it poses benefits to our survival or it wouldn't exist as a moral system (note: moral system goes well beyond "what happens when you die").

No matter how much one detests "rules" - usually anti-social personalities, which this board is full of... this doesn't change the fact that "ON THE WHOLE" and as a cooperative group, living together and dependent on each other to improve our chances of survival, people behave much better with religion as a binding and guiding force, than without. That's why it persists in one form or another, everywhere... for the vast majority of cultures on the planet.

Sarn

"mythical god" exist only in mentality of course. most smart people had just teaches others how need live right through religion within the last few thousand years.You think here immoral society?

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CaptainHowdy

Language is a virus (Burroughs and Lacan said it before Dawkins).

Funny that "atheists" seem to know what's best for you, just the same as theists do.

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TheSquealer

language enabled a much improved ability to cooperate and organize and as such, dramatically improved our ancestors odds of survival.

MPGdevil

Religion like politics is dangerous thanks to stupid people. Trump ending up being president is a fine example.

Paul Markham

Did you read it or just see the headline? It's two scientists proving a theory. Against 100,000 disproving it.

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