Rant The DOW is just on fire since..

[OneHungLo]

Donald was elected.



My portfolio is up +22.34%

Thanks TRUMP

[celandina]

Same shit different century



To be sustainable it should be under 10,000 about 150 in 1929 dollars....

[celandina]

...and 2008



Just wait. It will go quick...

[Bladewire]

Taking credit for the blacks guys work, typical

[celandina]

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by celandina

...and 2008



Just wait. It will go quick...

What will go quick? Were you one of the guys last year calling for dow 5000 when it was 14,000? lol

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Taking credit for the blacks guys work, typical

No, but the dow did drop .05% a few months back and you blamed trump so I figure since it's breaking records now it's because of Trump...right???

[pimpmaster9000]

The trump effect has yet to be felt...changes are not instant...it takes years...

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

The trump effect has yet to be felt...changes are not instant...it takes years...

The talk of Trump's tax reform has driven the market to new highs., so dust off that forehead.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The talk of Trump's tax reform has driven the market to new highs., so dust off that forehead.

Trump's tax reform LOL...thank Obama for anything happening now you will be feeling trump in a few years...chapter 11...America can always become a casino...

I put a bowl of red grapefruit juice and herbs on your forehead and marinade my nuts in it...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Trump's tax reform LOL...thank Obama for anything happening now you will be feeling trump in a few years...chapter 11...America can always become a casino...

I put a bowl of red grapefruit juice and herbs on your forehead and marinade my nuts in it...

[celandina]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

What will go quick? Were you one of the guys last year calling for dow 5000 when it was 14,000? lol

Of course not and I am saying it should be about 10,000 from top companies which actually make something, not just smoke and mirros. My other point was I learn from history, you obviously do not and thus are deemed to repeat it.

But hey, good luck and bail out before it goes...bump.

[ry0t]

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

No, but the dow did drop .05% a few months back and you blamed trump so I figure since it's breaking records now it's because of Trump...right???

Specimen owned so much that he did not even bother to reply with any ad hominem to this

Pathetic libby double standard exposed once again

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Donald was elected.



My portfolio is up +22.34%

Thanks TRUMP

And liberals

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The talk of Trump's tax reform has driven the market to new highs., so dust off that forehead.

i love to hear amateurs explaining the economy and the stocks market.

did you honk see that the economy in the rest of the world have increased even MORE and they do not have a trump? how do you explain that ?

there are 2 reasons for this rise and only one have to do with trump:

1. the economy under obama went up after one of the biggest worldwide economic crises since nearly 100 years.

2. trump took all the security that such a crisis can never happen gain from the financial markets. so they are free and excited to play AGAIN with everbody´s money and when they crash - WHO pays it?

even when you and the other amateurs can not see it because you do not have any knowledge about economy - the next big crisis is already on its way. if you would be able to READ an UNDERSTAND the indicators you would even know WHERE it comes from.

this time it will not be the real estate sector what crashes first - it will be the car industry because a part of this hype is financed by private loans for cars.
these loans where given under exactly the same rules as they gave real estate loans.

one of the banks who is massively in charge of private consumer loans is Santander Consumer USA - go and look how THEIR rating is.

other than on real estate banks will not wait centuries and hold the risk to get their money back. a car is loosing value every day.
what will happen is, that they take all this used cars and sell them cheap. this again will have 2 other effects:

a. people will loan again on USED cars and not on other goods (no new production)
b. used cars will be so cheap that it makes sense to buy a new one.

and the following rest you hopefully can imagine.

as i said - i really LOVE it when people with no clue of economy explaining other how economy works.

btw. i made a "bit" money in the last crisis because i saw it also coming and earned laughs from amateurs like you :-)
but you know - who laughs last, laughs best

[GFED]

Originally Posted by thommy

i love to hear amateurs explaining the economy and the stocks market.

did you honk see that the economy in the rest of the world have increased even MORE and they do not have a trump? how do you explain that ?

there are 2 reasons for this rise and only one have to do with trump:

1. the economy under obama went up after one of the biggest worldwide economic crises since nearly 100 years.

2. trump took all the security that such a crisis can never happen gain from the financial markets. so they are free and excited to play AGAIN with everbody´s money and when they crash - WHO pays it?

even when you and the other amateurs can not see it because you do not have any knowledge about economy - the next big crisis is already on its way. if you would be able to READ an UNDERSTAND the indicators you would even know WHERE it comes from.

this time it will not be the real estate sector what crashes first - it will be the car industry because a part of this hype is financed by private loans for cars.
these loans where given under exactly the same rules as they gave real estate loans.

one of the banks who is massively in charge of private consumer loans is Santander Consumer USA - go and look how THEIR rating is.

other than on real estate banks will not wait centuries and hold the risk to get their money back. a car is loosing value every day.
what will happen is, that they take all this used cars and sell them cheap. this again will have 2 other effects:

a. people will loan again on USED cars and not on other goods (no new production)
b. used cars will be so cheap that it makes sense to buy a new one.

and the following rest you hopefully can imagine.

as i said - i really LOVE it when people with no clue of economy explaining other how economy works.

btw. i made a "bit" money in the last crisis because i saw it also coming and earned laughs from amateurs like you :-)
but you know - who laughs last, laughs best

Good post.

[CoolMikey]

Originally Posted by thommy

i love to hear amateurs explaining the economy and the stocks market.

did you honk see that the economy in the rest of the world have increased even MORE and they do not have a trump? how do you explain that ?

there are 2 reasons for this rise and only one have to do with trump:

1. the economy under obama went up after one of the biggest worldwide economic crises since nearly 100 years.

2. trump took all the security that such a crisis can never happen gain from the financial markets. so they are free and excited to play AGAIN with everbody´s money and when they crash - WHO pays it?

even when you and the other amateurs can not see it because you do not have any knowledge about economy - the next big crisis is already on its way. if you would be able to READ an UNDERSTAND the indicators you would even know WHERE it comes from.

this time it will not be the real estate sector what crashes first - it will be the car industry because a part of this hype is financed by private loans for cars.
these loans where given under exactly the same rules as they gave real estate loans.

one of the banks who is massively in charge of private consumer loans is Santander Consumer USA - go and look how THEIR rating is.

other than on real estate banks will not wait centuries and hold the risk to get their money back. a car is loosing value every day.
what will happen is, that they take all this used cars and sell them cheap. this again will have 2 other effects:

a. people will loan again on USED cars and not on other goods (no new production)
b. used cars will be so cheap that it makes sense to buy a new one.

and the following rest you hopefully can imagine.

as i said - i really LOVE it when people with no clue of economy explaining other how economy works.

btw. i made a "bit" money in the last crisis because i saw it also coming and earned laughs from amateurs like you :-)
but you know - who laughs last, laughs best

Decent theory, but auto loans account for less than 10% of the mortgage/HELOC loans, so it's unlikely that such a small % could create another economic crisis. There are other differences too, like for example mortgage loans during the last crisis were rated AAA, car loans I'm sure are not, so no one is taking an unexpected risk investing in auto loans now.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by CoolMikey

Decent theory, but auto loans account for less than 10% of the mortgage/HELOC loans, so it's unlikely that such a small % could create another economic crisis. There are other differences too, like for example mortgage loans during the last crisis were rated AAA, car loans I'm sure are not, so no one is taking an unexpected risk investing in auto loans now.

between your numbers and the reality are 4 years

look here

and here

you also do not have to forget that MUCH more individuals have loans on cars.

so the individual sums will be lower as in the real estate crisis but the number of individual person will be significant higher.

and i did not say that THIS is the crisis already - i just told you where it will start, because behind that is a MASS of consequences what will effect the complete economy.

just a small example:
how many real estate loans are secured with stocks?

what happens with this stocks when the car industry gets a kick in the ass?

how many companies are dierctly connected to the car industry and what will happen to their shares?

what will a bank do when the security they have is not sufficient anymore?

all this steps are following very old and WELL KNOWN rules but they are ignored - same as the real estate crises was ignored even when it was very obvious.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by celandina

...and 2008



Just wait. It will go quick...

So what you're saying is if you bought at the peak, even BEFORE it crashed, you'd still be up almost 100% today lol

[BaldBastard]

International Stock Indexes - Markets Data Center - WSJ.com

Surly the USA must be worried your stock market is not preforming as good as most countries

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

International Stock Indexes - Markets Data Center - WSJ.com

Surly the USA must be worried your stock market is not preforming as good as most countries

Well out of the 20 or so indexes that are listed, the Dow is out performing 95% of them on a YTD % LOL

[OneHungLo]

Lol @ tommy comparing subprime auto loans to the housing crisis. You're talking 7 trillion in subprime mortgages to a few hundred billion? Even if there were a chain reaction of defaults on every subprime auto loan it wouldnt break any banks.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Well out of the 20 or so indexes that are listed, the Dow is out performing 95% of them on a YTD % LOL

how could i know before that you are not even able to read this numbers there.

here are some top indexes from the past 3 month:


Greece 21.23%
Austria 12.44%
Portugal 11.71%
Italy 10.54%
Japan 9.73%
Finnland 8.31%
China 6.21%
Switzerland 5.92%
Germany DAX 5.26%
Sweden 5.11%
France 4.91%
USA DJ 4.85%
Belgium 4.19%
Spain 3.84%
Britain 3.33%
Netherlands 2.22%

and i don´t want to show you all the other outperformers but want to mention that even Mexico is with 4,39% just one place lower than USA.

Also not want to mention the tec-indexies where US is also in the lower third.

the highest performance in DJ came from banks - because they are officially allowed again robbing the poor peoples money and speculate without scaring anything.

all what you announce here shows everybody who have even a small clue from economy that you are an amateur with no knowledge about the markets.

if i can give you a nice meant advise: don´t touch the speculation market - you are a just a victim with your knowledge.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Lol @ tommy comparing subprime auto loans to the housing crisis. You're talking 7 trillion in subprime mortgages to a few hundred billion? Even if there were a chain reaction of defaults on every subprime auto loan it wouldnt break any banks.

nope mr smart - i am talking about 101 million americans with auto loans of 1,4 TRILLION loans.

i can not really remember how many people were affected by the real estate crisis but as far as i remember it were like 15 million who caused that crash.

i think you did not even read the links i´ve posted but still want to pretend the wise guy.
what shows me that you are the opposite of wise.

[Paul Markham]

The DOW, Footsie, etc. May be up but the average man is doing worse. So the 1% are doing better and that's meant to be great.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The DOW, Footsie, etc. May be up but the average man is doing worse. So the 1% are doing better and that's meant to be great.

Its not so much that the 1% are doing better, than that the markets are up generally world wide, and this is being driven by European Economy's bouncing back from the last recession. USA Economy's is up and kudos to Trump for that! But the Dow especially is up based on the economy left by Obama and the election promises of Trump, lower taxes, less red tape, more Government spending, less regulation and blah blah blah anything anyone willing to vote would ask for.. ( same as most countries). From now on, its Donald's doing, so he better start delivering, and so far.. there's not a lot of delivering going on, just a lot of circus sideshows.

If the ass drops out of American markets, that has deep implications worldwide

And unfortunately there's no indications the sideshows are stopping.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Its not so much that the 1% are doing better, than that the markets are up generally world wide, and this is being driven by European Economy's bouncing back from the last recession. USA Economy's is up and kudos to Trump for that! But the Dow especially is up based on the economy left by Obama and the election promises of Trump, lower taxes, less red tape, more Government spending, less regulation and blah blah blah anything anyone willing to vote would ask for.. ( same as most countries). From now on, its Donald's doing, so he better start delivering, and so far.. there's not a lot of delivering going on, just a lot of circus sideshows.

If the ass drops out of American markets, that has deep implications worldwide

And unfortunately there's no indications the sideshows are stopping.

The DOW and all the other stock exchanges register the companies on the stock exchanges. They undoubtedly are making more than they use to. Why is that?

They make more profit. By making sure they have the least workers. By putting in machines. Or by sending the companies production to somewhere staff will work for $2 an hour. And in the event they have to employ, the least popular of the three, they make sure they pay the minimum. Which is done by making sure they keep migration figures high.

The ass won't drop out of any markets. It has already started to drop out of most peoples lives.

[pimpmaster9000]

what will double in the next 10 years and is called "US debt"?

do americans own the debt or does the debt own them?