Confederate leaders' descendants want monuments pulled down

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A handful of descendants of Confederate Civil War leaders Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson and Jefferson Davis are siding with those who believe monuments to their famous ancestors should be pulled down and moved to other settings, such as museums.

And a relative of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee says he would be fine with removing statues to his storied ancestor if it helps the country heal.

The director of a Mississippi estate that was Davis' retirement home, meanwhile, has suggested that the monuments could be relocated there.

Criticism of Confederate monuments has been intensifying since Saturday, when a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned violent after white nationalists opposed to the city's plan to remove a statue of Lee clashed with counter protesters.

President Donald Trump agrees with some in the South who say the monuments speak to America's history and heritage; but opponents of such symbols believe they glorify a shameful era of slavery.

On Thursday, a great-great-grandson of Stonewall Jackson told The Associated Press that he believes the monument to his legendary Confederate ancestor, as well as others in Virginia's capital of Richmond, were constructed as symbols of white supremacy and should be taken down.

"They were constructed to be markers of white supremacy. They were constructed to make black people fearful," Jack Christian said. "I can only imagine what persons of color who have to walk and drive by those every morning think and feel."

Christian told the AP that he used to be open to the idea that the statues on Richmond's famed Monument Avenue - which memorialize southern Civil War leaders, including Jackson - might be acceptable if context were added to explain why they were built.

However, the racially charged violence in Charlottesville has shown that to be impossible, Christian said.

A descendant of Jefferson Davis, the only president of the Confederate States of America, said he supports moving the statues to appropriate settings, such as museums.

Bertram Hayes-Davis told the AP on Thursday that he believes that "complete removal is wrong" and believes the best solution would be to put the statues "in a historic place where the entire story can be explained."

Tom Payne says he knows the perfect place: Beauvoir, a privately run museum on 52 acres (20 hectares) in Biloxi, Mississippi, that once served as Davis' retirement home. Payne, executive director of the museum, issued a statement Thursday offering to accept monuments that "any city or jurisdiction has decided to take down."

Payne said he would hope for donations, but would consider raising funds to cover any costs of relocating the monuments. He said the monuments could serve an educational purpose for Beauvoir visitors while being displayed in gardens out of general public view.

Robert E. Lee V, an athletic director at The Potomac School in McLean, Virginia, the great-great-grandson of the Confederate general, said the family hates to see the statues be a source of division.

"If taking down the statues helps us not have days like Charlottesville, then we're all for it," Lee said. "Take 'em down tonight."

Christian and his brother, Warren Christian, said in a letter to Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney published by Slate on Wednesday that it is "long overdue" for the city to remove overt symbols of white racism and white supremacy. The men said they want to make clear that the statue - and their great-great-grandfather's actions - do not represent them.

"While we are not ashamed of our great-great-grandfather, we are ashamed to benefit from white supremacy while our black family and friends suffer," the brothers and Richmond natives wrote. "We are ashamed of the monument."

Michael Shoop, who wrote a book on the genealogy of the Jackson family, confirmed that the men are descendants of the Confederate general.

Christian said he would like to see the statues preserved after they are removed from public display. He said he has heard from one relative who said she agreed with the sentiments expressed in the letter.

Christian said he's pleased the Richmond mayor has decided that the former capital of the Confederacy will consider removing or relocating its statues.

The mayor had previously said he thought the monuments should stay but have context added about what they represent and why they were built, but changed course after the events in Charlottesville, where white supremacists rallied after the city voted to remove a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Chaos erupted at the Charlottesville rally, which included neo-Nazis, skinheads, and Ku Klux Klan members, and is believed to be the largest gathering of white supremacists in a decade. They clashed violently with counterdemonstrators, and after authorities ordered the crowd to disperse, a car plowed into a group of marchers, killing a woman and injuring 19 people. Two state police troopers who had been monitoring the chaos were also killed when their helicopter crashed outside the city.

The events in Charlottesville have quickened the pace of the removal of Confederate monuments across the country. Four Confederacy-related monuments were hauled away on trucks under cover of darkness late Tuesday night and early Wednesday in Baltimore. In Birmingham, Alabama, a 52-foot-tall (15-meter) obelisk honoring Confederate soldiers and sailors was covered by wooden panels at the mayor's order.

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[Bladewire]

Watch the redhats go apeshit now

Another racist statue removed tonight in the cover of darkness

Breaking! Crew is removing racist RogerTaney statue from Maryland State grounds!

[MiamiBoyz]

Well Fuck them I say!

Why not blow up Mount Rushmore while we are at it.

Don't these stupid libers see that once you start to sanitize history where does it stop? Who decides what goes and what can stay?

Tell me - Tell us all - Cunts

[wehateporn]

This is nuts, it wasn't only the South who had slaves, the war wasn't about slavery

[Barry-xlovecam]

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[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Well Fuck them I say!

Why not blow up Mount Rushmore while we are at it.

Don't these stupid libers see that once you start to sanitize history where does it stop? Who decides what goes and what can stay?

Tell me - Tell us all - Cunts

Yes because removing statues is sanitizing history. A little history...most of those statues were not built right after the civil war

1861-1865: Civil War.

1865-1875: Reconstruction Era.

1875-1895: Reconstruction Era ends. Blacks are steadily disenfranchised, allowing Southern whites to enact Jim Crow laws. In 1896, Jim Crow is cemented into place when the Supreme Court rules it constitutional.

1895-1915: With blacks disenfranchised and Jim Crow laws safely in place, Southern whites begin a campaign of terror against blacks. Lynchings skyrocket, the KKK becomes resurgent, and whites begin building Confederate statues and monuments in large numbers.

[Joshua G]

interesting...in the 60s, did martin luther king call for the destruction of confederate statues?

do dumb libs listen to a single word martin luther king said??? something about a "color blind" society? & when you dumb libs constantly obsess about the race & gender of people, are you being color blind?

no.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Well Fuck them I say!

Why not blow up Mount Rushmore while we are at it.

Don't these stupid libers see that once you start to sanitize history where does it stop? Who decides what goes and what can stay?

Tell me - Tell us all - Cunts

The lunatics are already starting to talk about it:

Let's Get Rid of Mount Rushmore

[Paul Markham]

This is sad and counter productive. The South was in the wrong about slavery, it's a repugnant practice and needed to be stopped. The South still has many people who hold racist views.

But doing this will not make it any better and can only make things worse. Educate the South to judge people by what they do and not the color of their skin.

[MFCT]

Let's establish what the problem is, so we can identify it and solve it.

Slavery, in and of itself, is something nobody really has problem with. Its common to this day in Africa, and nobody raises an eyebrow. Black-on-black slavery is a-ok

Even white-on-white slavery, no problem there. Irish were brought to the USA as slaves by the boatload. Again, its perfectly fine, nobody raises an eybrow.

Its only when slavery is done for racist reasons, by one race to oppress another race (white-on-black) it becomes the evil institution that we all know and hate today.

A few years ago, the source of all racism was finally positively identified and banned in the USA (the confederate flag) and this was supposed to be the complete end of all racism.

But wait, no it wasn't the confederate flag after all. It was the statues! Why did no one realize this before? So we're now in the process of removing all offensive statues, thereby eliminating every last vestige of racism in the USA.

But wait. Something tells me its not going to end with statues. Just a hunch I have. The White House was built by slaves. The Constitution was written by slave owners. Just about every denomination of money has a slave owner on it. We've barely scratched the surface. Everything must be banned! ONLY THEN we will have a racist-free utopia.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by MFCT

Let's establish what the problem is, so we can identify it and solve it.

Slavery, in and of itself, is something nobody really has problem with. Its common to this day in Africa, and nobody raises an eyebrow. Black-on-black slavery is a-ok

Even white-on-white slavery, no problem there. Irish were brought to the USA as slaves by the boatload. Again, its perfectly fine, nobody raises an eybrow.

Its only when slavery is done for racist reasons, by one race to oppress another race (white-on-black) it becomes the evil institution that we all know and hate today.

A few years ago, the source of all racism was finally positively identified and banned in the USA (the confederate flag) and this was supposed to be the complete end of all racism.

But wait, no it wasn't the confederate flag after all. It was the statues! Why did no one realize this before? So we're now in the process of removing all offensive statues, thereby eliminating every last vestige of racism in the USA.

But wait. Something tells me its not going to end with statues. Just a hunch I have. The White House was built by slaves. The Constitution was written by slave owners. Just about every denomination of money has a slave owner on it. We've barely scratched the surface. Everything must be banned! ONLY THEN we will have a racist-free utopia.

You illustrated the logical conclusion of this stupidity. The only way to please everyone is to erase the whole fucking "tape" and that is not going to happen NOR should it.

We should not be ashamed of where we came from because those were incremental steps in reaching the lofty goals that America has reached. To deny of the links in the chain break it.

Certainly everyone should be included in this country BUT the history that build it and that it is built on should not be revised to fix changing attitudes of the masses as those change mindlessly all the time.

Libs are always living wither with their heads in the clouds...in the sand...or most often shoved up their own asses so they can't see what is really going on. The prefer the happy fantasy of equality instead of the reality that is clear all around them.

Facts are facts and erasing them might make people forget but do not change those facts.

[pimpmaster9000]

on the other hand red hats hold those statues in such high regard its crazy I mean they were visiting those statues 24/7...those statues are sooooo important that it is literally worth going to war over...these invader/traitor/slaveowner peeps represent red hat dreams and aspirations LOL true american heroes fo sho'

[MFCT]

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