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What do Trump supporters have to say about this?

Trump said Mexico will pay. Now he says America must pay or he'll shut down the government. Another broken promise by Trump with severe consequences.

Ryan warns Trump not to shut down government over border security funding

Speaker Paul Ryan Wednesday rejected a threat by President Donald Trump to shut down the government to force Congress to approve funding for a border wall with Mexico.

"I don't think a government shutdown is necessary and I don't think most people want to see a government shutdown, ourselves included," the leader of the Republican-controlled House said at a news conference in Oregon where he was promoting tax reform.

Ryan argued the House had already passed funding for border security but that the narrowly divided Senate -- where Democrats have considerably more sway over what gets into funding bills -- would need more time to act.

Paul Markham

OK soMexicowon'tpay because it earns so much from getting migrants into the US. But what's the objection from the US, other than big corporations love low wage migrants and don't contribute towards the Americans they put out of work?

This is more proof the Government doesn't represent the majority of Americans.

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"Ryan argued the House had already passed funding for border security but that the narrowly divided Senate -- where Democrats have considerably more sway over what gets into funding bills -- would need more time to act."

Poor taxpayers, get ready to be fucked again, over a useless wall

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RedFred

Riiiiight. Mexico won't pay for it because it earns so much from migrants. Yea, that's why.

Bladewire

Trump lied and you blame "the government".

Trump is blackmailing America. Pay for the wall or I'll shut down the government.

Trump failed at making Mexico pay so he's forcing taxpayers to pay or he'll shut down the government.

I can't believe you don't think what Trump is doing is wrong.

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crockett

You are missing the point entirely. We all said from the beginning that Mexico was never going to pay for a wall and that a wall was 100% ineffective in stopping the illegal immigrants because most come here on visas legally and over stay..

The wall was always nothing but bullshit being sold to morons. Why should we pay for a bullshit pipe dream that has no logical purpose in reality?

The point being you guys dont live in a world made up by reality but rather live in a world of self delusion.

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beerptrol

He can start a gofundme for his wall so his supporters can fund it.
Just don't be surprised when a good % of that money disappears offshore into one of his accounts

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Buy your "Wall Bonds" (<chumps>)

2MuchMark

No - Mexico won't pay, because they're not idiots.


Mexico is teaching the whole world exactly how they should respond to Trump. I like it.

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kane

The objection is that we don't want to spend billions of dollars building something that likely isn't going to be that effective when we could make some policy changes and then spend a fraction of that enforcing them and have it likely be more effective than any wall.

MaDalton

This whole wall thing is beyond retarded.

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This will be fun

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MaDalton

How stupid do you have to be to blame Mexicans for your misery while mostly everyone involved in the crash of 2008 is still free and retired on their bonuses while millions of people lost their jobs and homes.

But yeah, 20 billion on a wall that you can climb with a 20 dollar ladder will solve all your problems.

lol

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pimpmaster9000

You guys don't get it...the wall is a symbol of bigotry and it was never really meant to keep anybody out...you need to go full retard and think like a red hat...it gives them power and "social acceptance" and now it is suddenly ok to be a racist...they are getting a voice etc...they have been hiding under rocks for too long...they need their symbol of hate...

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Bladewire

Exactly!

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Matt 26z

FYI: Mexico's largest source of income isn't from manufacturing or farming or oil. It is illegal Mexicans in the US sending cash back to Mexico.

Keeping this wall from being built is a matter of survival for Mexico.

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Bush, Clinton and Obama all ran campaigns against illegal aliens and pushed to strengthen borders.

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pimpmaster9000

Has little to do with aliens...30$ rope ladder from Walmart with grappling hook can be reused....it's no deterrent whatsoever...it's a racist wall LOL

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Bladewire

None of them said Mexico is gonna pay for the wall throughout their campaign, then once in office said, "American citizens are paying for the wall, if they don't, I'm shutting the government down"

Fucked up he lied for a year and is holding our government hostage if we don't pay billions of dollars.

Don't you agree?

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jsmih

Only a fool would have believed Trump's campaign promise that Mexico would pay for the wall. Unfortunately we apparently have a lot of fools in this country.

MaDalton

Because a wall will definitely stop money transfers

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The wall is Trump's favorite diversion -- there is a looming crisis in congress over raising the debt ceiling.

slapass

He has mentioned a see-through wall now. Otherwise known as a fence.

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NewNick

Do you have any statistical proof to back up your made up fact ?

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Tasty1

That is how they act in all latin america, to get the attention away from their own corrupted state so they look a little better.

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Tasty1

A wall helped for Bulgaria to stop the refugees. As it did in other EU countries.
There is an old solution for that 20 dollar ladder.
Put some landmines in the ground, buy some german shepherds, some drones with bombs.
The weapon industry will love it.

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Rochard

This is correct. We don't need a wall. Illegal immigration has been on the decline for the past since 2007, and has been dropping every year since. Why spend billions of dollars on a problem that is becoming less of a problem every year?

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Bladewire

He's too lazy.

His sits at his computer all day copying/pasting talking points then disappears.

He never defends what he says and when he's wrong he's proven wrong he ghosts the thread while copying/pasting alt-right talking points in other threads. It's just the way he is, no honor, integrity of character

TheDynasty

A wall is stupid not going to happen EVER

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Busty2

I know you guys probably know this but Chump could care less about illegal immigrants from Mexico or from any other country for that matter.

Does anyone really believe he sits on his gold toilet in Chump Tower thinking to himself. "How can i help the people of America, how can i put more food on their tables and more coin in their pockets" Like hell he does, his #1 priority is to himself and how he can get more buildings, walls, casinos, golf courses with his name on them, more money in his pockets. This guy needs to go and go soon, before the damage he is doing becomes irreversible !!!!

Paul Markham

Mexico earns by getting rid of millions of low skilled and nonskilled workers some who send money back to Mexico.

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crockett

Pretty much spot on. It's also easy to see just about everyone who supports the wall bs is a closet case racist. I've yet to ever meet a Trump supporter who wasn't a racist or a bigot.

It's so easy to spot them when you grew up in the south.

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crockett

There are a lot of fools on this forum.

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Paul Markham

Taxpayers paying for the Wall would be a win for those taxpayers. Ridding the US of millions of low-paid workers, some not paying taxes. Would force a rise in wages, a drop in unemployment and remove millions of Americans from low-wage and unemployment.

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Paul Markham

So tell us the benefits all those illegals bring to the US.

Given that a change in the laws where people who employ illegals, from a maid to construction workers, to fine them so much it helps fund a tougher border force and deters employing illegals would be best. But what Clinton planned was even worse than not building the wall. She wanted to make illegals legal, so encouraging more to come to the US?

Tell me who is self-delusional.

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thommy

you still don´t get it, right?

trump can not build a wall because it makes no sense and it is another factor of cots what would be paid only by the taxpayer.

he can also not get rid of the trading with mexico because americas industry (in the first line the car industry) would go bancrupt on that.

sometimes i wish that trump would realize his complete idiot plans just for showing you what will happen than and seeing your face when all is in shit.
but as we see up to now, trump have done NOTHING and will never do anything because all his ideas are completely unrealistic.

and that´s why these plands are not fullfilled and will never be fullfilled because at the end of the day even trump have to look into reality and do everything what he promised NOT to do.

wall, afganistan, tax, healthcare, stopping the corruption and the elite - what of that have he done yet? tell me ONE FUCKING THING this guy have done in 8 month except spending money for his own security?

where is this big change?
they only change he can proudly stick on his responsability is that he have damaged the reliability of USA in the complete world.

it will need centuries for someone after him to clean up the damages this guy have produced in such a short time. he is a fucking clown - and not even a good one.

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Paul

I live in Southern California, but for the 5 years I lived in Australia, I've been a Californian for 27 years.

I've posted links with proof about immigrants etc.

You keep ignoring what people who live here say about "non skilled" immigrants that are the backbone of the agricultural industry in the 3rd largest state in America with a $142 billion agricultural economy.

As much as you like to fantasize, reality is, Americans don't want to stand out in the heat all day and pic fruits and vegetables.

So as evil as you think "unskilled" migrant workers are, they are like the honeybees to California & Texas crops, without migrant workers harvesting and planting, we are fucked.

thommy

is this not part of the history and the US costitution?

who was the first "legal" american who had the right to make others legal and from WHO did he get this right?

you are talking about a nation what would not even exist without legal and illegal immgration. a nation with around 30% of people who where FORCED to immigrate.

if all that is so wrong how could this nation survive ????? how could it become the most powerful nation by doing such big mistakes?

WHAT is the american "culture" you want to safe and secure?
WHERE did it come from ?

you are the same blind as all those other trump supporter what trying to rule the world with no knowledge and no education.
you are the guy in front of the television blaming the football player and you have not even touched a ball in your life.

all what i hear from you i can hear in every pinte after midnight when all are so drunk that they can perfectly run the planet in a 5-minuts strike.
remember that the world is not you or me or anyone else here. the wolrd are 8 billion people with the same right to live here. you are just ONE of them and unfortuantely not the most intelligent.

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2MuchMark

Hi Paul,

No dude sorry, this is completely wrong. The wall is expected to cost over $20 Billion dollars, and several billion to maintain after that. There is nothing to gain in this investment.


There are lots of problems with this statement.

"Low paid" means cheap produce at the grocery store. If people were paid a fair wage for picking strawberries, the cost of strawberries would skyrocket, along with the rest of fresh food.

And since they are "low paid", how do you expect them to pay taxes?

The problem is made even more complex for other reasons. Most people don't want to work picking strawberries or similar for example.

Some people want to blame immigrants for all kinds of problems, real or perceived, but the truth is that they also need those immigrants to do this kind of work. As broken and fucked-up as it is, the system kinda sorta works.

What Trump did during his campaign is demonize immigrants, especially Mexicans. Stiring up fear and hatred in anyone who is "other", is a great way to win elections it seems. Trumps promise to "build a wall" between "us and them", was a brilliant, but hateful and flawed idea. Of course the wall would never and should never be constructed. His voters never knew this, but the rest of the world sure did.

and higher prices for American food, making imported food more interesting, and driving more farms out of business.

Exactly how big is that drop?

Or, just the opposite.

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Trump's victory narrowed the window of opportunity for globalists to pass mega trade deals and enact international taxation (in the form of "global warming" carbon taxes).

The window to get this stuff done is fairly thin given that they targeted only the youngest of generation Y for brainwashing. These people will obey for only two, maybe three, election cycles.

2020 is it. If they can't get a democrat as US president then this stuff becomes very difficult since the brainwashed begin to wake up and they haven't been very successful at connecting with Gen Z.

thommy

i tried to explain him many times that prosperity has not only tod with income but also with the number of things you can buy for it.

but you forgot another important aspect in that. sure illegal immigrants will make a little money in US and they will not pay tax (same as no US citizen would pay tax with such a low income).
and maybe they can send a few hundert dollars home to mexico and the mexicans there can POSSIBLY buy some expensive import good from US with that.

BUT: his life in america will be relative expensive and he will use the most of this little money to survive in USA. that means that this money goes back into the local money circle and also helps to finance jobs.

no let´s see an average american worker with a good income or a person with a really high income.

sur ethey pay tax but they still have money left and many of them will do one of the 3 following things:

1. he will safe the money - and it will not go back into the circle where production stands against production. it will be lend to companies on interest. interest is NOT PRODUCTION. means the money is becomming more without any productivity.

2. he will push the money into the stock market where it goes in the hands of the companies what are expanding globally (beceuse if they do not do it they die) so this money will go offshore in big parts.

3. if he have really enough and bigger money he will bring it to his bankaccount on the caimans or other offshore country with no tax.

it is a fact that poor people (or at least people what are spening ALL the money they get back into the money circle where it came from) are MUCH ore healthy for any economy as people who do not spend this money.

but as i said it is senseless to explain that to paul - paul is an industry manager who run a worldwide trillion dollar concern with millions of emplyees and knows all about economy. much better as people who studied the rules and situations of worldeconomy.
much better as every banker and much better as every financial minister of any country in this world.

hint: if you have a dog or a cat - explain it to them - they will easier understand it.

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thommy

that is kind of true and i also appreciate this big accident in the human history to prevent people like le pen and all this other right radical bonsai brains.

so yes - he have done something nice - he showed us how the world can be when brain becomes a rare good - but hitler and idi amin did the same.

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Bladewire

And you go off topic

Trump lied about getting Mexico to pay for the wall, and he's blackmailing Americans that if we don't pay billions of dollars for his stupid wall he's going to shut down our government.

You're ok with that

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thommy

he can not blackmail america because if he would risk even a week of a "bancrupt america" he will have to pay MUCH MORE than only a wall.
US will loose the AAA rating and the interest on the next nessecary loan will will be 5 times more than his stupid wall.

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Paul Markham

I agree that laws to make employing illegals do stringent that employer dare not risk it would be the best solution. But that's not on offer so you take the next best thing.

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Paul Markham

The crash proved how fragile an economy without manufacturing is. Saying the bankers are free so we can take millions of migrants is stupid.

You seem to forget Czechoslovakia had an effective wall. It was called the Iron Curtain, I saw it in the 60s, no one was using a ladder to get across.

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