How much paid time off should people get?

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

I have always given my managers paid time off for vacations and sick days. They are commission based, but each has a team of people who work under them and even when they are gone, they still make money.

To not feel taken advantage of, I wanted to put a cap on this paid time off. As an IC doesn't mean they can't take more time off, but they won't be paid for it.

I was just winging it, but what do you think? What's fair to you guys?

After 5 years will receive 5 weeks vacation and 5 sick days.
After 3 years will receive 4 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 2 years will receive 3 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 1 year will receive 2 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
During the first year, 1 week paid and 5 sick days.

[shake]

Seems pretty fair. When I had employees with offered the 2 weeks starting in the first year though, which was also the law at the time where I live.

[GAMEFINEST]

2 weeks minimum 1st year.

fuck this 1 week off 1st year.

[Spunky]

It will never be enough. The man always wants you to have less

[Sly]

Keep in mind that Americans and non-Americans have completely different standards in regards to vacation pay. Responses here are going to be all over the map.

[brassmonkey]

in jamaica your lunch break is your vacation

[seeandsee]

I have 4 weeks a year and 11 months of vacation

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Sly

Keep in mind that Americans and non-Americans have completely different standards in regards to vacation pay. Responses here are going to be all over the map.

Very true. Ever see "Where to invade next"? This scene was a real eye-opener.

[slapass]

So you just pay them an average of what they would normally make?

[poncabare]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I have always given my managers paid time off for vacations and sick days. They are commission based, but each has a team of people who work under them and even when they are gone, they still make money.

To not feel taken advantage of, I wanted to put a cap on this paid time off. As an IC doesn't mean they can't take more time off, but they won't be paid for it.

I was just winging it, but what do you think? What's fair to you guys?

After 5 years will receive 5 weeks vacation and 5 sick days.
After 3 years will receive 4 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 2 years will receive 3 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 1 year will receive 2 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
During the first year, 1 week paid and 5 sick days.

5 weeks seems too generous for a teurly key employee

[onwebcam]

WTF is a vacation? I don't even take weekends off. I gotsta get money 24/7/365.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Very true. Ever see "Where to invade next"? This scene was a real eye-opener.

If you are familiar with the subject in EU, you would automatically pick it up that 30 days was wrong. It is 20 days, but some less mathematical people manage to take it as 4 weeks (as it is 20 work days) and then as a month, saying 30 days and misleading that guy.
20 days is pretty standard in EU countries (plus holidays)

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

WTF is a vacation? I don't even take weekends off. I gotsta get money 24/7/365.

QFT

[Adraco]

If I don?t see a minimum of six weeks paid vacation per year, from year one, my signature does not go on the contract.

[ilnjscb]

They should get whatever amount of time they don't need to do their job in. Set goals for them and who cares how much they work? Tie their function to revenue unless their function is literally to "be there" like a customer service rep or a receptionist.

We're not farmers who wake with the dawn anymore, who cares?

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

They should get whatever amount of time they don't need to do their job in. Set goals for them and who cares how much they work? Tie their function to revenue unless their function is literally to "be there" like a customer service rep or a receptionist.

We're not farmers who wake with the dawn anymore, who cares?

The function is to work daily checking call reports, blogs, working with the operators on marketing, checking up that they are doing their work, etc. When a manager leaves, then I have to do this or my GM has to do it, yet the manager still gets paid. I'm FINE with that. In 2016 my longest manager missed close to 3 months of work all making 8k a month or more and only works a 4 day (30 hour) week when working.

Since I don't work in the outside world and haven't for 20+ years, I'm not sure what's fair. I googled and different opinions, mostly for employees and not contractors.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

WTF is a vacation? I don't even take weekends off. I gotsta get money 24/7/365.

Then get a job where you make money 24/7 without working if you don't wanna =)

Seems logical, right?

[BaldBastard]

In Aus you get 30 paid holiday days + 10 paid sick days, that's everyone and law.

Some but not all companies will give an extra week to those staying after a certain time, like 10 years is most common "long service leave"

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

In Aus you get 30 paid holiday days + 10 paid sick days, that's everyone and law.

Some but not all companies will give an extra week to those staying after a certain time, like 10 years is most common "long service leave"

How long do you have to be there before you can take time off? Can you take the full 30 days at once or do you have to break it up?

[GAMEFINEST]

There are many shitty companies in the usa that dont offer shit for vacation. Hence employees file fmla and workers comp all year long.
Fuck em

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

How long do you have to be there before you can take time off? Can you take the full 30 days at once or do you have to break it up?

30 days includes public holidays, every hour you work holiday is included so I guess in theory you could take some after the first week. Works out like 3 weeks a year off paid the other week is in public holidays. Vast majority of people usually split it in two one 2 week break and a 1 week break. A LOT of people also take unpaid leave so slip in an extra week or two but don't get paid for it, really depends on the employer/ business.

Annual leave accumulates to, so you can take two weeks this year and 6 weeks next year

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/annual-leave

Keep in mind these are minimum Government guidelines, you can't get less, but many companies will offer a lot more.

[SBJ]

Back when I worked a factory job 92'-02' we got one week after the first year and 2 weeks after 5 yrs and I left on my 10th yr but I had 3 weeks paid with zero paid sick days..

I def like your vacation plan! Can I get a job working for you?

[wehateporn]

All depends what level of candidates you want to attract

[Major (Tom)]

This is a tough one. It depends on the size of your company. If you have 6 guys and each heads and runs their own dept is really hard to loose for a day, let alone a week. I think that?s any mom & pop operation.

[incredibleworkethic]

I work in a factory after 10 years I'm getting about 7 paid weeks in Canada.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic

I work in a factory after 10 years I'm getting about 7 paid weeks in Canada.

That is surprising to hear, is that way above average in Canada?

[incredibleworkethic]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

That is surprising to hear, is that way above average in Canada?

Oh yeah, this job I have is probably one of the best you can get factory or not without much education. I won't say the name for obvious reasons, but it's a well known brand. Shit has been cut back over time but pay and vacay are still up there.

It's literally one of those jobs you just can't quit on a whim which sucks.

[BaldBastard]

I think worldwide more will be done to entice people to stay longer in jobs ( where staying longer is beneficial to the business ), millennials especially are fickle

The Op's graded vacation leave by years spent is certainly the way of the future.

I don't believe in public holidays, I think everyone should be able to set their own long weekends, really depends on the business.

Preinternet I was a Chef so what everyone else calls a holiday.. were my busiest days of the year, but fucked if I would ever work on my birthday or the day after.

[Dead]

I give my guys that have worked for me for well over ten years 2 weeks in December, one week in the summer and all government holidays.....but, at the end of the year we do a profit share that outweighs vacation days. Bonus over time off seems to work well for me

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I have always given my managers paid time off for vacations and sick days. They are commission based, but each has a team of people who work under them and even when they are gone, they still make money.

To not feel taken advantage of, I wanted to put a cap on this paid time off. As an IC doesn't mean they can't take more time off, but they won't be paid for it.

I was just winging it, but what do you think? What's fair to you guys?

After 5 years will receive 5 weeks vacation and 5 sick days.
After 3 years will receive 4 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 2 years will receive 3 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 1 year will receive 2 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
During the first year, 1 week paid and 5 sick days.

are you hiring...?

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I have always given my managers paid time off for vacations and sick days. They are commission based, but each has a team of people who work under them and even when they are gone, they still make money.

To not feel taken advantage of, I wanted to put a cap on this paid time off. As an IC doesn't mean they can't take more time off, but they won't be paid for it.

I was just winging it, but what do you think? What's fair to you guys?

After 5 years will receive 5 weeks vacation and 5 sick days.
After 3 years will receive 4 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 2 years will receive 3 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
After 1 year will receive 2 weeks vacation and 5 sick days
During the first year, 1 week paid and 5 sick days.

Non-smokers get an extra 5 days each year for not having to stop work to take smoke breaks throughout the day.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Non-smokers get an extra 5 days each year for not having to stop work to take smoke breaks throughout the day.

was about to say that's the dumbest thing I've read all day but then remembered where I'm at.

[OldJeff]

This thread clearly outlines the "rate of success" around here

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by SBJ

was about to say that's the dumbest thing I've read all day but then remembered where I'm at.

You need to get out more: Non-smokers at this Japanese company get 6 extra vacation days for not taking smoke breaks

[Tasty1]

In Holland they say you get 4 * the hours a week you work as holiday so you can get 4 weeks free (and than you have some public free days). I worked 32 hour a week. But i had at least 8 hour over-work a month so i could go 3 - 4 extra weeks on vacation per year. I never took holiday in the weeks like Christmas or the public schoolholidays, so people with children could take vacation while someone was present.

But i only worked a few year for a boss and that is more than 15 years ago. I worked 4 days a week so i had time to start my new company 1 day a week + the weekends.

[davidCRM]

a lot

8char

[NatalieK]

if it´s a full time job, there´s laws, for both lunch & breaks, sick leave & holidays



"All workers have, from the first day of employment, the right to 5.6 weeks' paid holiday per year. You can work out how many days off you should get by multiplying the number of days you work each week by 5.6."


https://worksmart.org.uk/work-rights...hen-can-i-take


therefore, if a person is working 6 days a week, they can have 33.6 days a year, which is about 5 weeks!

[selena]

As someone who is familiar with the industry you are in and the work that your managers are doing, I think that your proposal is generous.

Most IC's aren't getting anything, and what you are offering is more than fair.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

You need to get out more: Non-smokers at this Japanese company get 6 extra vacation days for not taking smoke breaks

Bet it saves on insurance and sick days too, not to mention the time/flow savings of stopping and starting repeatedly throughout the day. Takes 15-20 minutes to get back in flow after taking a break.