Mindgeek about to get much richer

[ianmoone332000]

So i was just reading the article on Mindgeek and the new UK age check stuff:

https://news.sky.com/story/porn-watc...-laws-11224093

Where is there actual pricing for this ageid there going to let other porn sites use?

[Bladewire]

Not only much richer, but tracking every AGEID users porn habits & collecting their mailing address etc....

"The policy also says: "We also may use these technologies to collect information about your online activities over time and across third-party websites or other online services."

MindGeek has suffered high profile hacks in the past, with millions of people's personal information being stolen. A database of pornographic sites visited across the web for 25 million people in the UK would likely be a target for hackers."

[CaptainHowdy]

You mean, Mindgeed is getting more powerful ...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

You mean, Mindgeed is getting more powerful ...

They won't be able to handle it. They will fall hard

[JFK]

There seems to be a fair bit of competition for the public's money. As shown by how many of them attended Internext

[Jel]

who didn't see this coming 5 years ago? MG are light years ahead of almost everyone in the game.

step 1: traffic grab
step 2: paywall
bonus step 3: be involved in AV
more steps: TBA

Fabian posted years back that what they'd done so far was merely 2 or 3 steps, and like most gold dust on boards, wasn't looked at with anything more than a skim-read by likely 90% of people here.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Jel

who didn't see this coming 5 years ago? MG are light years ahead of almost everyone in the game.

step 1: traffic grab
step 2: paywall
bonus step 3: be involved in AV
more steps: TBA

Fabian posted years back that what they'd done so far was merely 2 or 3 steps, and like most gold dust on boards, wasn't looked at with anything more than a skim-read by likely 90% of people here.

You have a link?

[rogueteens]

wouldn't that be against the data protection act?

[Beaver1]

How did they call that system?

Gladii Version 2.0

[Best-In-BC]

it's a cowards world ruled by the rich

[ianmoone332000]

Still cant find pricing anywhere. Anyone know other companies that will be doing it then?

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

So i was just reading the article on Mindgeek and the new UK age check stuff:

https://news.sky.com/story/porn-watc...-laws-11224093

Where is there actual pricing for this ageid there going to let other porn sites use?

You should be happy because this might be the end of free porn.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

wouldn't that be against the data protection act?

History has shown us that a mysterious "hack" is always the answer to that. Wasn't it publicized that PH's whole user database and user viewing history was hacked before?

[deonbell]

MindGeek, the biggest internet pornography company in the world has told Sky News it will not snoop on the sexual preferences of 25 million people in the UK under new age verification laws.

Mindgeek releases statistics all the time and makes it public on their insights page .

https://twitter.com/pornhubinsights

So, yeah, They are gonna do some shady shit with your info.

The kids will figure it out. TOR or VPN or whatever.

[deonbell]

What better way to celebrate the UK's child protection law than going to pornhub
and watch Brazzer's best new actor
Jordi "El Nino" Polla

[Holy Damage]

MindGeek will charge other pornography sites to use its solution. But because of its market dominance, campaigners fear it will end up the defacto age verification standard, handing even more power to the biggest porn provider around.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by JFK

There seems to be a fair bit of competition for the public's money. As shown by how many of them attended Internext

competition is here the worst what can happen.

we have seen this in germany for many many years.

the AVS systems lost
the government lost
and the majority of the webmasters lost

german market is today in the hand of 20 or 30 big players and that´s it.

but germans still watch porn - nothing changed on that.

this problem can´t be handled from a country and it will never be handled from the whole world.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

wouldn't that be against the data protection act?

want to look at porn or not?


sounds like it could be but when you´re after a buzz, what would you care...

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You should be happy because this might be the end of free porn.

agreed

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Jel

who didn't see this coming 5 years ago? MG are light years ahead of almost everyone in the game.

step 1: traffic grab
step 2: paywall
bonus step 3: be involved in AV
more steps: TBA

Fabian posted years back that what they'd done so far was merely 2 or 3 steps, and like most gold dust on boards, wasn't looked at with anything more than a skim-read by likely 90% of people here.

interesting

[PornDiscounts-V]

MG should be paying us all $1 for everybody we get to Signup with this technology. You know they are going to monetize the DB of info.

[Brad Mitchell]

In the AV seminar I moderated in Vegas Mindgeek stated that it would be charging site owners. When I asked how much, they declined to give a low or high number, any number at all, and they declined. One should inquire with them to find out what the cost would be, apparently it must be negotiated.

Brad

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

In the AV seminar I moderated in Vegas Mindgeek stated that it would be charging site owners. When I asked how much, they declined to give a low or high number, any number at all, and they declined. One should inquire with them to find out what the cost would be, apparently it must be negotiated.

Brad

i tell you what. it is a shame for a government to give that kind of "social care" in the hands of private companies.

this will NEVER work !
we will finally have hundreds of private companies and competition and users have to sign up with all of them to really see everything. nobody can expect they will do it.
we have this experience already with just 5 or 6 competitors in germany.
not one of them survived.

the british government wants it so the government should do it - and they should do it for free and from a neutral position.

the ones what will laugh at the end are the ones who are selling VPN services and that makes it even harder for us to monetize the traffic when we do not even know where it comes from.

[Paul Markham]

Welcome to the world of business. Mindgeek are in business to take the maximum possible, bnot share with others. Tell me a decent becent industry thatshares with its rivals?

[ianmoone332000]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

In the AV seminar I moderated in Vegas Mindgeek stated that it would be charging site owners. When I asked how much, they declined to give a low or high number, any number at all, and they declined. One should inquire with them to find out what the cost would be, apparently it must be negotiated.

Brad

Hi Brad,

My site gets around 7k visitors a month and they have quoted me $1.200 per month. Site doesnt even earn that

[ianmoone332000]

Running porn sites is over for me if everyone tries charging this

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Welcome to the world of business. Mindgeek are in business to take the maximum possible, bnot share with others. Tell me a decent becent industry thatshares with its rivals?

true !

and i do not pass the buck to mindgeek. they just do what everyone would do in their position. the problem is in the brains of the british government.

they do not even assume what they did here and that this will lead to the opposite of what they want.

it will also not help the industry - even when we all would be glad to have the security not to deal with kids.

[ianmoone332000]

Here is the full message i got from mindgeek:

A summary of AgeID:
- In essence AgeID is very thin layer, single sign on solution
- It aggregates many age verification solutions, all from different
providers. We cover Credit Card, Mobile SMS, Passport/DL, Social Media,
and another method which requires NO user interaction whatsoever,
consumers won’t even see an AV wall at all, even on first visit (approved
by the regulator). We also have backups for our methods from other
suppliers to ensure 100% uptime and server stability.
- As AgeID will be used across MindGeek’s products and many other big
players, the initial age verification will likely be done on one of our
sites. This means that when a customer hits your site, they
simply go straight in the door.
- AgeID’s focus is ensuring a customer can browse from one site to another
without seeing multiple AV walls or login requests, it works in incognito
mode and across devices.
- The flow of AgeID ensures that if a customer visits a tube site, clicks
a link, follows to an affiliate, then an advertiser – if all partners have
AgeID then browsing is seamless
- We use a simple login – email address and password, both of which are
encrypted via 1-way hash so no data can be revealed in the unlikely event
of a hack
- AgeID only receives back a pass/fail from our identity providers, we do
not see the information a user enters when they verify themselves

Pricing
- AgeID is charged on the basis of a non-variable flat monthly fee for the
duration of the term
- Our fees are based on an estimate of your monthly UK uniques. We use
tools like Alexa.com and Similarweb.com to estimate this data
- Looking at xxxxxxxx.co.uk, our initial quote would be $1,200/month,
(charging will not begin until the law is enforced, which is officially
27th April, but we expect it to be delayed until July.
- If you have other smaller sites, we can bundle them into this price to
cover them all

Tech
- Our API and associated documentation will be ready this week
- It’s a simple code snippet that you add on your UK landing page, you are
in control of how and when you invoke AgeID

Legal
- AgeID will be compliant with the Digital Economy Act 2017, the Data
Protection Act, and GDPR
- I attach an NDA. Once signed I can send you a contract to review so you
have all the information required to make a decision.

Finally, I will be available to discuss this further at your convenience.

Many thanks for considering AgeID, I hope you can see we have a robust,
long-term solution which favours traffic flow and customer experienc

[AVSecure]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Hi Brad,

My site gets around 7k visitors a month and they have quoted me $1.200 per month. Site doesnt even earn that

AVSecure- Age Verification on block chain and its FREE

If you haven?t heard of AVSecure yet, you should take a look.

AVSecure has been designed and developed to be the leading age verification solution for the adult industry worldwide and specifically allow compliance with the new UK Digital Economy Act.

FREE to merchant. There is no charge or fee for installing or using AVSecure as a service.

FREE to consumer. There is no charge for a variety of the age verification methods we will offer. We anticipate the following options will be available (subject to final approval by the UK regulator): mobile phone, credit and debit card, electoral and address data , Age Verification Card and government based ID documents.

Please Email Steve [email protected] or register [email protected] for more details.

[ianmoone332000]

Thanks Avsecure i will look now

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

MG should be paying us all $1 for everybody we get to Signup with this technology. You know they are going to monetize the DB of info.

correct

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

AVSecure- Age Verification on block chain and its FREE

If you haven?t heard of AVSecure yet, you should take a look.

AVSecure has been designed and developed to be the leading age verification solution for the adult industry worldwide and specifically allow compliance with the new UK Digital Economy Act.

FREE to merchant. There is no charge or fee for installing or using AVSecure as a service.

FREE to consumer. There is no charge for a variety of the age verification methods we will offer. We anticipate the following options will be available (subject to final approval by the UK regulator): mobile phone, credit and debit card, electoral and address data , Age Verification Card and government based ID documents.

Please Email Steve [email protected] or register [email protected] for more details.

sounds good, let me check.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

AVSecure- Age Verification on block chain and its FREE

If you haven?t heard of AVSecure yet, you should take a look.

AVSecure has been designed and developed to be the leading age verification solution for the adult industry worldwide and specifically allow compliance with the new UK Digital Economy Act.

FREE to merchant. There is no charge or fee for installing or using AVSecure as a service.

FREE to consumer. There is no charge for a variety of the age verification methods we will offer. We anticipate the following options will be available (subject to final approval by the UK regulator): mobile phone, credit and debit card, electoral and address data , Age Verification Card and government based ID documents.

Please Email Steve [email protected] or register [email protected] for more details.

So the business model is selling the data that you gather on my customers to third parties ?

So my customers end up in penis pill scam hell ?

No thanks.

[ianmoone332000]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

MG should be paying us all $1 for everybody we get to Signup with this technology. You know they are going to monetize the DB of info.

I agree with this 100% and would not be surprised if others added an affiliate program that pays us per sign up

[Brian mike]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

AVSecure- Age Verification on block chain and its FREE

If you haven’t heard of AVSecure yet, you should take a look.

AVSecure has been designed and developed to be the leading age verification solution for the adult industry worldwide and specifically allow compliance with the new UK Digital Economy Act.

FREE to merchant. There is no charge or fee for installing or using AVSecure as a service.

FREE to consumer. There is no charge for a variety of the age verification methods we will offer. We anticipate the following options will be available (subject to final approval by the UK regulator): mobile phone, credit and debit card, electoral and address data , Age Verification Card and government based ID documents.

Please Email Steve [email protected] or register [email protected] for more details.

Will have a look today! Thanks to share we will all need alternative

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NewNick

So the business model is selling the data that you gather on my customers to third parties ?

So my customers end up in penis pill scam hell ?

No thanks.

nope it´s not !
if you are at the lisboa show ask steve about it.

i think we will go AVsecure because there are some options what I will deal out with steve and I think than it makes sense to use it.

AV should not cost money for webmasters - they should be able to MAKE money with it without going the way into darknet.

british surfers are not stupid - they know the ways how to get around that and than there is no way to control it anymore.
we have showed that the german government for more than 20 years that they fucked themself with their AV policy.
it´s just waste of money and man power to try to control that.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

I agree with this 100% and would not be surprised if others added an affiliate program that pays us per sign up

ok so let´s say 20 million brits will do that.

10 million will sign up on the big tubes

and 20.000 webmasters worldwide will bring the other 10 million into the AVS in the next 5 years.

100 dollar each per year.

GREAT biz idea

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by thommy

nope it´s not !
if you are at the lisboa show ask steve about it.

i think we will go AVsecure because there are some options what I will deal out with steve and I think than it makes sense to use it.

AV should not cost money for webmasters - they should be able to MAKE money with it without going the way into darknet.

british surfers are not stupid - they know the ways how to get around that and than there is no way to control it anymore.
we have showed that the german government for more than 20 years that they fucked themself with their AV policy.
it´s just waste of money and man power to try to control that.

Well if its free to the user, free to the webmaster, and they are not go to make money out of the data, then it really is a remarkable business venture.

Or a charity.

[AVSecure]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Well if its free to the user, free to the webmaster, and they are not go to make money out of the data, then it really is a remarkable business venture.

Or a charity.

I am sure there are many questions and I would answer all of them. I just want to make sure this is the right place to do that ? is it "good form" to place more company detail on here ?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Well if its free to the user, free to the webmaster, and they are not go to make money out of the data, then it really is a remarkable business venture.

Or a charity.

i am sure it is NOT a charity - that´s not our biz.
but if you put the right ideas together ALL participating CAN make money with it and THIS should be the goal.

I am sure there are many questions and I would answer all of them. I just want to make sure this is the right place to do that ? is it "good form" to place more company detail on here ?

you are right - it is NOT the right place (that´s like always on the bar )

but i can see a lot of opportunities what makes that disaster to something what can make sense.

as i said: i am dealing with this issue in Germany since 21 years and all what i promised them happend.

we should not forget that AV WAS a biz model in the start when there wasn´t anything to buy or join. adult check was one of the first things i made money with - and not bad money.

now things are a bit different but with the right concept it CAN work.
my good old friend jesus already made wine out of water 2000 years ago.
and he told me how he did that :-)

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

I am sure there are many questions and I would answer all of them. I just want to make sure this is the right place to do that ? is it "good form" to place more company detail on here ?

Come lets not be cagey - you are happy to tell folks all about how great your system because it is free.

But when it comes to the tricky question of what then is the business model - how do you generate revenue - then you are worried about if this is the wrong place to do it.

So - some companies are being criticised for not saying how much their service will cost - you say yours is free, but wont say how it will be funded.

You think that everyone will sign up blindly ?

You think that companies will be happy to risk their businesses without asking these questions ?

Actually maybe you are right - there are some very stupid people around here. Can you believe that some of them actually run adult businesses !

[AVSecure]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Come lets not be cagey - you are happy to tell folks all about how great your system because it is free.

But when it comes to the tricky question of what then is the business model - how do you generate revenue - then you are worried about if this is the wrong place to do it.

So - some companies are being criticised for not saying how much their service will cost - you say yours is free, but wont say how it will be funded.

You think that everyone will sign up blindly ?

You think that companies will be happy to risk their businesses without asking these questions ?

Actually maybe you are right - there are some very stupid people around here. Can you believe that some of them actually run adult businesses !

AVSecure- Why we are Free

We have had questions from several sources asking why we have decided to provide the AVSecure age verification solution as FREE to both merchants and consumers and I am happy to share our reasons and logic.

We have been close to the topic of age verification for nearly 6 years, which has allowed us time to create a world-class solution and to define what we believe is the correct strategy for a sustainable commercial product.

Offering the service FREE to merchants optimizes adoption, which will provide a better federated user-experience for consumers. By also giving consumers numerous FREE choices of verification such as mobile, credit and debit card, address check, government ID etc., we minimize access friction and ensure maximum adoption.

In addition to the more standard verification methods we have the exclusive ?Age Verification Card? for consumers that are either unable or unwilling to enter any personal information.

The Age Verification Card can be obtained at up to 50,000 retail stores across the UK including major supermarket chains. The card allows face-to-face age verification to be completed at the point of sale. If the consumer appears to be over 18 no additional proof is required. The card bears a unique, single use number that can be entered by the consumer as proof of age for registration with AVSecure. Of consumers unwilling or unable to enter any personal data, this allows them to easily and privately verify their age, without any associated identity information.

The Card adds significant advantages for protecting consumer privacy and identity and enables site operators to offer the most comprehensive choice to all their users.

The Age Verification Card will carry a fee of £10 to cover its production, distribution and retailer fees and provide a margin for AVSecure after costs and VAT are considered.

The free-to-consumer methods are expected to represent the lions share (90%+) of the verification process, at a typical cost of 15-20p per consumer. The substantial overall cost arising from this will have an offset from the margin we make on the consumers who choose to verify anonymously, by visiting their local store and buying the Age Verification Card.

We believe that having millions of AVSecure users on a globally distributed blockchain has inherent value and allows us to market the solution to other sectors requiring age verification such as online games, alcohol sales and many other restricted goods and services. For these reasons we are comfortable providing the financial backing required to deliver a truly safe, trusted and reliable product.

The blockchain structure also allows the possibility at some time in the future, to introduce the micropayments platform we have long discussed, which we envisage the industry will benefit from. The ?plumbing? will already be installed, with both the merchant and the consumer.

AVSecure is independently funded and adequately supported to allow global growth

I hope that makes our commercial strategy clearer but if you have further questions please don?t hesitate to contact me.
Steve.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

AVSecure- Why we are Free

We have had questions from several sources asking why we have decided to provide the AVSecure age verification solution as FREE to both merchants and consumers and I am happy to share our reasons and logic.

We have been close to the topic of age verification for nearly 6 years, which has allowed us time to create a world-class solution and to define what we believe is the correct strategy for a sustainable commercial product.

Offering the service FREE to merchants optimizes adoption, which will provide a better federated user-experience for consumers. By also giving consumers numerous FREE choices of verification such as mobile, credit and debit card, address check, government ID etc., we minimize access friction and ensure maximum adoption.

In addition to the more standard verification methods we have the exclusive ?Age Verification Card? for consumers that are either unable or unwilling to enter any personal information.

The Age Verification Card can be obtained at up to 50,000 retail stores across the UK including major supermarket chains. The card allows face-to-face age verification to be completed at the point of sale. If the consumer appears to be over 18 no additional proof is required. The card bears a unique, single use number that can be entered by the consumer as proof of age for registration with AVSecure. Of consumers unwilling or unable to enter any personal data, this allows them to easily and privately verify their age, without any associated identity information.

The Card adds significant advantages for protecting consumer privacy and identity and enables site operators to offer the most comprehensive choice to all their users.

The Age Verification Card will carry a fee of £10 to cover its production, distribution and retailer fees and provide a margin for AVSecure after costs and VAT are considered.

The free-to-consumer methods are expected to represent the lions share (90%+) of the verification process, at a typical cost of 15-20p per consumer. The substantial overall cost arising from this will have an offset from the margin we make on the consumers who choose to verify anonymously, by visiting their local store and buying the Age Verification Card.

We believe that having millions of AVSecure users on a globally distributed blockchain has inherent value and allows us to market the solution to other sectors requiring age verification such as online games, alcohol sales and many other restricted goods and services. For these reasons we are comfortable providing the financial backing required to deliver a truly safe, trusted and reliable product.

The blockchain structure also allows the possibility at some time in the future, to introduce the micropayments platform we have long discussed, which we envisage the industry will benefit from. The ?plumbing? will already be installed, with both the merchant and the consumer.

AVSecure is independently funded and adequately supported to allow global growth

I hope that makes our commercial strategy clearer but if you have further questions please don?t hesitate to contact me.
Steve.

No actually that wall of words does not make the business strategy any clearer.

But to be blunt, to make it clearer - you could have said :

Its the data.

The business model is the data.

You are happy to invest in the cost of AV-ing the UK porn viewing public thereby building a huge database of adult consumers in order to monetise it later / elsewhere.

Right ?

[AVSecure]

Originally Posted by NewNick

No actually that wall of words does not make the business strategy any clearer.

But to be blunt, to make it clearer - you could have said :

Its the data.

The business model is the data.

You are happy to invest in the cost of AV-ing the UK porn viewing public thereby building a huge database of adult consumers in order to monetise it later / elsewhere.

Right ?

Not the case in any way. All data checks are scrubbed. We do not collect email, password, username and have no data to sell on. Its not what we do.The value to us is in the global block chain and what else we can do with that.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by AVSecure

Not the case in any way. All data checks are scrubbed. We do not collect email, passwrod, username and have no data to sell on. Its not what we do.

You said :

We believe that having millions of AVSecure users on a globally distributed blockchain has inherent value and allows us to market the solution to other sectors requiring age verification such as online games, alcohol sales and many other restricted goods and services.


So, its not about the data ?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by NewNick

You said :

We believe that having millions of AVSecure users on a globally distributed blockchain has inherent value and allows us to market the solution to other sectors requiring age verification such as online games, alcohol sales and many other restricted goods and services.


So, its not about the data ?

not necessarily !

there are millions of biz models out there what are working completely WITHOUT data.

do you tell anyone data when you watch TV ?

but now imagine if there are only TV stations allowed where you would have to verify
your age would you go to where you have to give data or would you go to the one where you can enter with a badge ?

i think this big data biz model is meanwhile FAR overestimated simply because you can buy userdata at every corner in the web.

as long as you have a good reason in your concept what brings users back to you all the time you do not need their data.

sure SOMEONE have to have them but would it not be ok to give your paypal address and paypal APPROVES that you are 18 ?
would it not be possible to log in to your bankaccount and click a button that they should send an approval somewhere ?

i mean at the end of the day you can not make 100% sure that the person who want to be approved is the one he says. and believe me there are already TONNS of this people around giving data from the partner or a friend or even copy and paste them from internet.

or they do not even apply for verification and use the existing verification of someone else.

even with blockchain technology and mac adresses you can´t prevent that because you never know WHO is using a device.

so for WHAT are such data good for?

I think here a bit as steve does because i think that NOT GIVE ANY DATA is the future.
if the british government can live with a solution what can easily be tricked (same as EVERY solution can be tricked) - it is nice.

if you see the business model only in data you don´t think far enough.
the business model what based on the excessive use of user data makes the "no data model" to a very new one.

market is a river - no mountain is able to stop it because it will just stream around.

i remember the mobile times when we where still able to catch the users MSISDN - yes was nice but than came the day when we had to find a way to do it without it. and the result was even better because it opened markets what we did not even see before.

i don´t know all about steve´s product but I know he is not an idiot and he checked the goals and possibilities to make that thing a broadrange product with future perspective.

[NewNick]

I never said Steve was an idiot.

I am just pointing out that there has to be a revenue stream somewhere, and it is insulting to suggest otherwise.

In this case he is calling it blockchain technology, as if that in itself is somehow an answer to the question. Or as if calling it blockchain somehow means that there is no plan to monetise the value of the data.

Please let?s just call a spade a spade.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You should be happy because this might be the end of free porn.

why do you guys always bounce back to this dinosaur idea? You can't un-open that can... even if they could possibly shut off the faucet tomorrow someone else would turn on another one and capitalize and they would lose all their traffic in a matter of a week. Why is it so hard to grasp this?

This age verification thing is something to address and take seriously but it doesn't change anything in the big picture with regards to how people will seek out porn on the internet. They will find workarounds or a new site that gives them what they want. The only protections we can do as producers is to create something that people actually want and can't get anywhere else for free.

[Miguel]

The AVS Secure offer looks very interesting to me!

[oppoten]

If they're doing what web jewry is doing, you have to ask questions. They could break every SEO rule in the book, and Google still wouldn't penalize them.

And to the Jewish screechers in this thread...we know that you really really care about Gentile privacy