Class action lawsuit against google?

[TrafficTitan]

I think google has a 10 year plan to eradicate porn. They have been slowly "mainstreaming" words and phrases so that no porn appears even on popular terms like sex and porn. This list is rapidly expanding. Why are they doing this?

> can't monetize porn with adwords
> send traffic to youtube, google books, and websites using adsense
> puritanical assholes?

Google is a virtual monopoly so this is essentially censorship and an unfair business practice. It's not an algorithmic thing, it's targeted specifically at porn related keywords.

I feel like there should be some sort of class action lawsuit before most of us are out of a job.

[SBJ]

ya, good luck with that.. what's the saying adapt or die?

[Smack dat]

I once took on Google... I didn't win.

[windstorm]

Looks like 90% of organic adult traffic is shifted towards big porn tubes. The pie left is so little for the rest of adult websites.

Of course, not to mention so many keywords that are no longer showing adult results. I have a very big database of adult keywords collected, since I work for many years in the industry.

Now when I check some of them (big keys) it shows fully non adult. And this is not about English only, it's same in other countries as well (Germany, Italy etc.)

This shift started for about 6 months, so I think it's here to stay. We must remember that Google is here to make more profits, user's experience is on 2d place. Bing is light years away in market share.

Maybe it's time for surfers to realize Google is no longer relevant for adult searches. Unless there are big tubes in first searches, you will get some circle jerk content which is from same tubes (or redirection to them).

I search for amateur porn and what do I get on first page? Twitter page which is a pure spam one.

AMATEUR PORN (@WoWSwingers) | Twitter
https://twitter.com/wowswingers

There are many other results complete junk. So as a surfer, you have 3 options: go straight to tubes and search within it OR waste a lot of time searching through forest OR use different search engine.

[pimpmaster9000]

nobody forces users to use google...you can hardly have a monopoly on a voluntary free service...it is their platform....just like facebook and twitter do not allow porn...

google owes you nothing as far as search results go...I have no doubt that organic ranking for porn is being blocked and that they want money...its just that you have no grounds to sue them...

[Best-In-BC]

yeah it sucks, and its gloomy, but there is always mainstream

[windstorm]

Yeah, only that if no other competitor is on the market, what then? You are still free to switch, but to what? Bing is still here because of Microsoft's power, otherwise we would see just Google.

There is an illusion of choice, but in fact, they have become so big that it is impossible to create a competitor. Check the ISPs in USA as another example.

Tell me, if I created a choice to Google's SE, how would you know about it? It needs huge investment in marketing and people shifting from G, which takes a shitload of time. You think Google would stay still and do nothing about it?

Things were more balanced when Yahoo had a good share of market. Don't tell me Google's results are great nowadays, because they are not. Google grows every year in revenue so much. I wonder how, money doubled in market while they also have FB as competitor? No, they just swallowed more smaller players on market by promoting aggressively their own products.

[Best-In-BC]

Its been about 4-5 years and the results are making less and less sense

[blackmonsters]

That might be a good thing because google is giving all the results to tubes anyway.

[INever]

Lobby to make them a regulated public utitlity. Long shot.
All these sites are really bad. Twitter, Facebook, Tmblr...it's a clusterfuck.

[GLMBV]

Google giveth and Google taketh away

[overdose]

Let chaos entwine on defenseless soil
Remove errors of man and sweep all the weakening kind
Bygone are tolerance and presence of grace
Scavengers are set out to cleanse the human filth parade

[Paul Markham]

I just tested Google. I typed "Porn videos" into Google and got nothing but porn video sites. So what are you complaining about?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

nobody forces users to use google...you can hardly have a monopoly on a voluntary free service...it is their platform....just like facebook and twitter do not allow porn...

google owes you nothing as far as search results go...I have no doubt that organic ranking for porn is being blocked and that they want money...its just that you have no grounds to sue them...

There is a thing called "abuse of monopoly". When you have tons of money then you can screw your competition very easily and as final result nobody can compete versus you.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I just tested Google. I typed "Porn videos" into Google and got nothing but porn video sites. So what are you complaining about?

They complain how most of keywords are occupied by top 10 tube sites.

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

They complain how most of keywords are occupied by top 10 tube sites.

Originally Posted by TrafficTitan

I think google has a 10 year plan to eradicate porn. They have been slowly "mainstreaming" words and phrases so that no porn appears even on popular terms like sex and porn. This list is rapidly expanding. Why are they doing this?

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[emmasexytime]

So just build a mainstream site and drive that back to your porn site. You need to adapt

[pornguy]

I just did a search on one of my sites and its the girls name. Her site lists at number 14. Below the tubes. some tubes repeated and also face book for the name backwards.

[windstorm]

Well Google is a mirror of US society - going in the wrong direction

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I just did a search on one of my sites and its the girls name. Her site lists at number 14. Below the tubes. some tubes repeated and also face book for the name backwards.

Oddly in Yahoo her site comes up as number 3 below 1 tube. her own twitter and images.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by 3xmedia

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Keep in mind Paul is senior citizen and he require different type of explaining

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

They complain how most of keywords are occupied by top 10 tube sites.

Originally Posted by pornguy

I just did a search on one of my sites and its the girls name. Her site lists at number 14. Below the tubes. some tubes repeated and also face book for the name backwards.

So Google isn't blocking porn sites. They just delivering surfers to the sites they like the most. What's wrong with that from Google and the Surfer's point of view?

Originally Posted by windstorm

Well Google is a mirror of US society - going in the wrong direction

It wasn't society who put up 1,000s of tubes sites and made them user-friendly. That was the porn society.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Keep in mind Paul is senior citizen and he require different type of explaining

So please explain it to us all.

Google will always deliver the user to the most popular sites. Those are no longer paid sites. It's Google responding to the needs of its surfers.

Do they care if those are paid for or free porn sites? No. They don't earn from porn so no need to promote paid. Should Google cut out all porn searches, surfers will move to Yahoo or Bing who will promote porn tubes.

If you have another explanation please do so.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So Google isn't blocking porn sites. They just delivering surfers to the sites they like the most. What's wrong with that from Google and the Surfer's point of view?

Are you fucking high?

[OY]

Perfect10 tried.

Read all about it here: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/0...right-showdown

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So Google isn't blocking porn sites. They just delivering surfers to the sites they like the most. What's wrong with that from Google and the Surfer's point of view?

Because they sing their own praise that they deliver the best organic search results.


So how can a tube with a name 1 time to 3 times and no text, No real connection have a top 10 ranking. yet a site with. Domain, Keywords, Text and actually about the topic rank off the top 10.

Maybe it goes back to the old days of companies paying behind the doors for the listings. Kind of like the biggest mailers used to do.

[Adultium]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Because they sing their own praise that they deliver the best organic search results.


So how can a tube with a name 1 time to 3 times and no text, No real connection have a top 10 ranking. yet a site with. Domain, Keywords, Text and actually about the topic rank off the top 10.

Maybe it goes back to the old days of companies paying behind the doors for the listings. Kind of like the biggest mailers used to do.

Because the priority of behavioral factors (bounce rate, dwell time and many etc.)

You can have a good domain, keywords, relevant text, but if users stay a little time on your site or after viewing one page users go away, google will lower your site in the serp.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Adultium

Because the priority of behavioral factors (bounce rate, dwell time and many etc.)

You can have a good domain, keywords, relevant text, but if users stay a little time on your site or after viewing one page users go away, google will lower your site in the serp.

Yes I know that and have been saying it for a long time.. Time on site is now the biggest factor for top listings.

relevance has nothing to do with it now.

Not even Wikipedia shows up as much as it used to.

[windstorm]

What's the point of Google then? If it delivers only 4-5 tube sites in top 10 and that is where 90% of search traffic is.

It's like I am searching to buy something and all I get in Google is Amazon. What's the point in Google then?

For example, I searched yesterday for a specific pro adult video. Guess what, on first page there were 4 websites with absolutely same content/design which clearly appeared from same owner. Ah and yes, it still wasn't what I was looking for.

Titles were same. Tell me, what benefited me? Do I have the time to search endlessly in page 2, page 3 etc to find a good source? Not to mention page 2, page 3 were filled with unrelated results and mainstream sites.

Google has come to a point, at least in adult, where there is no benefit to use it. Now I go straight to tubes/forums for specific niche content, because Google is shit.

Take a look at what Google genius shows on page 2 for "fuck on the beach videos":

https://imgur.com/a/ZVFdy

Amazon, music lyrics etc.. Paul Markham, tell me how Google knows best

[Klen]

Originally Posted by OY

Perfect10 tried.

Read all about it here: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/0...right-showdown

Yikes, seems they got owned in every court case which they were running -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10

[CaptainHowdy]

Dream on ...

[windstorm]

By doing this shit, Google is cutting smaller players or cut the new ones that may come. So we are left with the big tubes, CJ tubes that have power to buy traffic and some between.

Sure, surfers love the tubes. But is that good for the industry? All the power in the hands of a few? If xhamster, xvideos will be bought by MindGeek, what will be left?

If stats are true, Google gave even a bigger push of traffic in September to pornhub. Maybe they paid to Google for top spots, who knows.

https://imgur.com/a/a5eC4

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Because they sing their own praise that they deliver the best organic search results.

So how can a tube with a name 1 time to 3 times and no text, No real connection have a top 10 ranking. yet a site with. Domain, Keywords, Text and actually about the topic rank off the top 10.

Maybe it goes back to the old days of companies paying behind the doors for the listings. Kind of like the biggest mailers used to do.

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Are you fucking high?

No, read below.

Originally Posted by Adultium

Because the priority of behavioral factors (bounce rate, dwell time and many etc.)

You can have a good domain, keywords, relevant text, but if users stay a little time on your site or after viewing one page users go away, google will lower your site in the serp.

Obviously, Google doesn't care as much about all your manufactured add-ons and cares more about the users. They see sites where the users stay for a lot longer and push them.

You are the ones who have it wrong. Make your tours more interesting to get more traffic.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by windstorm

What's the point of Google then? If it delivers only 4-5 tube sites in top 10 and that is where 90% of search traffic is.

It's like I am searching to buy something and all I get in Google is Amazon. What's the point in Google then?

People are no longer looking to pay for porn. Welcome to 2018.

Paul Markham, tell me how Google knows best.

I think I covered that in my previous post.

It's not Google's job to keep the industry going, surfers want free porn and Google delivers it to them.

Stop shouting at clouds.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by windstorm

By doing this shit, Google is cutting smaller players or cut the new ones that may come. So we are left with the big tubes, CJ tubes that have power to buy traffic and some between.

Sure, surfers love the tubes. But is that good for the industry? All the power in the hands of a few? If xhamster, xvideos will be bought by MindGeek, what will be left?

If stats are true, Google gave even a bigger push of traffic in September to pornhub. Maybe they paid to Google for top spots, who knows.

https://imgur.com/a/a5eC4

Surfers love tubes. You kind of said it all there. It is Google's job to look after the surfer.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by windstorm

By doing this shit, Google is cutting smaller players or cut the new ones that may come. So we are left with the big tubes, CJ tubes that have power to buy traffic and some between.

Sure, surfers love the tubes. But is that good for the industry? All the power in the hands of a few? If xhamster, xvideos will be bought by MindGeek, what will be left?

If stats are true, Google gave even a bigger push of traffic in September to pornhub. Maybe they paid to Google for top spots, who knows.

https://imgur.com/a/a5eC4

September is about when the shift happened so maybe that's why Pornhub got the boost.

Bottom line: If you rely mostly on Google traffic for porn traffic you are fucked like a $2 whore.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Surfers love tubes. You kind of said it all there. It is Google's job to look after the surfer.

part of the point your missing there though Paul is that G is NOT looking after the surfer if they dont even deliver relevant results.

There are a lot of times I will search a porn girls name and the top sites when I click dont even have the name on the page. How I land there I have no idea. Why G would do that I have no idea other than because they could some how be getting paid for it.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Obviously, Google doesn't care as much about all your manufactured add-ons and cares more about the users. They see sites where the users stay for a lot longer and push them.

Coudln't agree more.

[windstorm]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

September is about when the shift happened so maybe that's why Pornhub got the boost.

Bottom line: If you rely mostly on Google traffic for porn traffic you are fucked like a $2 whore.

Well porn has taken the path of mainstream monopolies. A few big players that dictate the market. The choice will be just an illusion. Improvements and innovations will be slow, as there is no competition left. Americans have slow internet connections because they have no alternative. That will happen the same in all rest.

[windstorm]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Surfers love tubes. You kind of said it all there. It is Google's job to look after the surfer.

Surfers love torrents too, but they've been demoted pretty much by Google. There are many other examples of Google acting on purpose, regardless of how much users loved it.

What if tomorrow Google blasts all porn because they don't like it? Will the user satisfaction still be met? They have already removed shitload of pure adult keywords.

Example: search for "black man sex with a white woman" and you will see mainly non adult results. How is the user satisfaction met? First result for me is this:

Married White Women Discreetly Having Sex With Black Men - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk_34H9EvH0

So if Youtube has great time on site, bounce rate etc., Google decided to show it first for adult key?

You should check that video btw, see how fucked up Google algo is. Or maybe they made it on purpose? Think about it and stop sucking dick of Google.

[TrafficTitan]

The problem is that specific keywords that clearly would return porn sites don't anymore. Google has specifically said it's algorithm doesn't target specific sites or keywords. This is demonstrably false. When people search for "porn" they want fucking porn not a news article about porn. Google has done something specific for that query so it's IMPOSSIBLE for porn sites to rank. This list has been rapidly expanding. Also if it porn sites rank they only rank for the top 10 results. Everything else is mainstream. Example: "porn videos" after page 1 it's all BS news articles. I've had one of my sites have it's brand mainstreamed and it says "porn" clearly in the brand. Somebody had to do this on purpose, it's not algorithmic. This is censorship and abuse of a monopoly.

Both "sex" and "porn" have been mainstreamed. I have seen a bunch of others I won't list here.

Also ironically the more popular a pornstar is the less likely you are to find porn sites when u search for their name.

[TrafficTitan]

Also google is not infallible in the courts. The recently lost to Getty images over basically the same thing that perfect 10 was complaining about.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by TrafficTitan

The problem is that specific keywords that clearly would return porn sites don't anymore. Google has specifically said it's algorithm doesn't target specific sites or keywords. This is demonstrably false. When people search for "porn" they want fucking porn not a news article about porn. Google has done something specific for that query so it's IMPOSSIBLE for porn sites to rank. This list has been rapidly expanding. Also if it porn sites rank they only rank for the top 10 results. Everything else is mainstream. Example: "porn videos" after page 1 it's all BS news articles. I've had one of my sites have it's brand mainstreamed and it says "porn" clearly in the brand. Somebody had to do this on purpose, it's not algorithmic. This is censorship and abuse of a monopoly.

Both "sex" and "porn" have been mainstreamed. I have seen a bunch of others I won't list here.

Also ironically the more popular a pornstar is the less likely you are to find porn sites when u search for their name.

They said it is because such words can have "other" meaning beside porn, so that is why they giving mainstream results. But that doesnt have much logic, if someone types "sex" i doubt he is looking for books about healthy sex lol

[windstorm]

Maybe the new generations will start to smarten up and get fed up by Google's despotic behavior.

Unfortunately 90% of users are dumb and don't realize there is more than Google around. What some webmasters above don't understand is that so many people don't even know there is another search engine besides Google. So the statement that users have a choice is bullshit.

There are so many people that type in google the name of a website although they could go directly to it.

I have a unique domain name, created many years ago with great traffic. Let's call it: keyword78. After many years of being first place for the search "keyword 78", which was clearly a bookmark search, now my site is nowhere. I can only rank with keyword78.

Meanwhile the results for keyword 78 are completely random and unrelated. How did Google improve the searches by doing that? For me, Google is worse than ever. And looks like they still want to become even more evil

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by windstorm

Maybe the new generations will start to smarten up and get fed up by Google's despotic behavior.

They will, I'm sure of it.

Facebook is tanking among young people. Google is just another head of the same beast.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pornguy

part of the point your missing there though Paul is that G is NOT looking after the surfer if they dont even deliver relevant results.

There are a lot of times I will search a porn girls name and the top sites when I click dont even have the name on the page. How I land there I have no idea. Why G would do that I have no idea other than because they could some how be getting paid for it.

Give me the names of some porn girls so we can check.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by windstorm

Surfers love torrents too, but they've been demoted pretty much by Google. There are many other examples of Google acting on purpose, regardless of how much users loved it.

What if tomorrow Google blasts all porn because they don't like it? Will the user satisfaction still be met? They have already removed shitload of pure adult keywords.

Example: search for "black man sex with a white woman" and you will see mainly non adult results. How is the user satisfaction met? First result for me is this:

Married White Women Discreetly Having Sex With Black Men - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk_34H9EvH0

So if Youtube has great time on site, bounce rate etc., Google decided to show it first for adult key?

You should check that video btw, see how fucked up Google algo is. Or maybe they made it on purpose? Think about it and stop sucking dick of Google.

If you search for a keyword and add torrents it will come up.

Search interracial porn videos.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by windstorm

Maybe the new generations will start to smarten up and get fed up by Google's despotic behavior.

Unfortunately 90% of users are dumb and don't realize there is more than Google around. What some webmasters above don't understand is that so many people don't even know there is another search engine besides Google. So the statement that users have a choice is bullshit.

There are so many people that type in google the name of a website although they could go directly to it.

I have a unique domain name, created many years ago with great traffic. Let's call it: keyword78. After many years of being first place for the search "keyword 78", which was clearly a bookmark search, now my site is nowhere. I can only rank with keyword78.

Meanwhile the results for keyword 78 are completely random and unrelated. How did Google improve the searches by doing that? For me, Google is worse than ever. And looks like they still want to become even more evil

What was the actual content like of keyword78.com?

I don't know how many searches are for adult but I imagine it is a lot. So it would be madness for Google to not show porn when the relevant terms are used. You lot are just complaining your site isn't scoring as high as it used to.

Get with the program and realise Google has changed and you have to change with it. Make tours more interesting, show lots of preview videos, behind the scenes, interviews, etc. And stop relying on keywords and domain names, you've had it far too easy for too long.

[mikeworks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Make tours more interesting, show lots of preview videos, behind the scenes, interviews, etc. And stop relying on keywords and domain names, you've had it far too easy for too long.

I wish your computer would pack in for a while so interesting threads don't get diluted with your messages.

Back to the subject.

Biggest site in niche:
- does not trade traffic
- has few backlinks
- has higher time on site than it's niche competitors

That site used to be smaller than windstorm and friends sites (when it traded traffic), it was struggling to survive, but since changes took off traffic wise and continues it's upward direction.

So take from that what you will.

[windstorm]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What was the actual content like of keyword78.com?

I don't know how many searches are for adult but I imagine it is a lot. So it would be madness for Google to not show porn when the relevant terms are used. You lot are just complaining your site isn't scoring as high as it used to.

Get with the program and realise Google has changed and you have to change with it. Make tours more interesting, show lots of preview videos, behind the scenes, interviews, etc. And stop relying on keywords and domain names, you've had it far too easy for too long.

Amateur cuckold niche (free site). When people search for that specific domain, it is clear what they want. But do you know what Google shows as first result? Page 78 of xhamster

And yes, Google can afford to shit on adult results. I've seen dozens of malware websites ranking fine for many months in adult keys. When you have over 90% market share, you can shit on users perfectly fine. They aren't going to shift in millions to Bing or whatever.

I've been on first page for cuckold/interracial terms for quite a while, I have no problem that I don't score higher than before, but at least show me relevant results. When I see Google Books and reddit on 2d page, then clearly these are shit results.

When you put the big tubes and then Google Books in top 20 results, what am I supposed to do? Clearly big tubes cannot be outranked.