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crockett · 05-09-2018, 04:01 PM

The politicians can give all the speeches they want and make promises they can't deliver.

The simple fact is coal's future is dead..

It now cost $50 to produce a megawatt of solar power. Meanwhile it costs $102 to produce that same megawatt burning coal.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sola...18-5?r=US&IR=T

All the coal miners living in the past will still be unemployed next year and 10 years from now if they don't get off their asses and learn a new trade.

This is why Trump was trying to place tariffs on solar panels because he like other Republicans would rather waste tax payers money and cause you to pay 2 times as much for electricity than to admit they are wrong.

There will never be a new coal power plant built in the US.

Bladewire · 05-09-2018, 04:16 PM

We export our coal, it's the 14th largest U.S. export. Trumps goal is to export coal at high prices.

Coal power is very third world.

kane · 05-09-2018, 04:18 PM

The state of California is working on passing a law that makes it a requirement for all newly constructed homes to have solar panels installed.

Coal is yesterday's energy source. Trump sold people a pipe dream.

dyna mo · 05-09-2018, 04:30 PM

we should go one step further and outlaw coal exports, they've surged.

Bladewire · 05-09-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

we should go one step further and outlaw coal exports, they've surged.

No Trump needs the extra income to 9ffset the windfall he gave the top .1% in the tax cuts so he's selling our natural resources cheep so if we ever need coal for future Generations it will all be depleted I we'll be forced to import

bronco67 · 05-09-2018, 08:09 PM

There's about 50,000 total people in the coal industry. It would probably be cheaper to pay them all a living wage for the rest of their lives than to let the industry continue.

What's Trump's next genius plan? To put all the asbestos back into buildings?

beerptrol · 05-09-2018, 08:18 PM

Facts doesn't matter to the Chump cultist.

Rochard · 05-09-2018, 08:28 PM

Coal is dead. It has been for some time.

I understand that entire communities are based around coal, and their families have worked in coal mines for generations but coal is dead.

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Originally Posted by kane

The state of California is working on passing a law that makes it a requirement for all newly constructed homes to have solar panels installed.

I believe they passed this law today.

I have solar and.... I pay very little if anything. I pay $125 for the solar panels, but four or five times a year I refer someone to the solar company and they give me $500 each time someone installs with them. It's been working great for me.

huey · 05-09-2018, 11:41 PM

This is where coal goes.

74% of the steel produced today uses coal. Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. ... Steel is an alloy based primarily on iron. As iron occurs only as iron oxides in the earth's crust, the ores must be converted, or 'reduced', using carbon.

In 2014, the share of world energy consumption for electricity generation by source was coal at 40.8%, natural gas at 21.6%, nuclear at 10.6%, hydro at 16.4%, other sources (solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, etc.) at 6.3% and oil at 4.3%. Coal and natural gas were the most used energy fuels for generating electricity.

I live in Vancouver and we have two coal ports. All the coal goes to China. One port loaded
1 million tons in the month of December for export. They are doubling their capacity as we speak for next year.

Coal will be around a long time.

2MuchMark · 05-10-2018, 06:22 AM

Coal is so dead. It's too expensive and too dirty, and the economic case for green energy has already taken off and is growing stronger and is more profitable. And besides, most coal mining is done by machines and robots, not humans. And besides who needs this?

crockett · 05-10-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

There's about 50,000 total people in the coal industry. It would probably be cheaper to pay them all a living wage for the rest of their lives than to let the industry continue.

What's Trump's next genius plan? To put all the asbestos back into buildings?

Well the problem is they have to phase the existing plants out because not every place can use solar or wind. They are phasing the old coal plants out with natural gas but its gonna be a point sooner or later that will force them all out of business.

The issue is as each plant closes the demand goes down but the production cost of digging up coal remains the same. What this will cause is a spike in the price because the cost to dig it up is shared across less and less coal plants making the remaining plants pay more for the product until its just too expensive to produce.

My guess is they are pushing coal off shore as much as they can in order to keep the price as low as they can.

huey · 05-10-2018, 05:58 PM

Around 0.6 tonnes (600 kg) of coke produces 1 tonne (1000 kg) of steel, which means that around 770 kg of coal are used to produce 1 tonne of steel through this production route. Basic Oxygen Furnaces currently produce about 74% of the world's steel.

What part of using coal for steel don't you guys understand.

Till they start making Teslas out of plastic coal will be needed to produce steel.

beerptrol · 05-10-2018, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by huey

Around 0.6 tonnes (600 kg) of coke produces 1 tonne (1000 kg) of steel, which means that around 770 kg of coal are used to produce 1 tonne of steel through this production route. Basic Oxygen Furnaces currently produce about 74% of the world's steel.

What part of using coal for steel don't you guys understand.

Till they start making Teslas out of plastic coal will be needed to produce steel.

What part of the coal jobs aren't coming back don't you understand

mikeet · 05-10-2018, 06:09 PM

i used to have one of these back in the day

Look Chang · 05-10-2018, 08:36 PM

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Bladewire · 05-10-2018, 08:42 PM

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Who will regret that ?

US Mine Disasters Fast Facts

Worst coal mine disaster in US history: 362 miners are killed in an explosion at the Monongah Nos. 6 and 8 Coal Mines in Monongah, West Virginia.

259 miners are killed in a fire at the Cherry Mine in Cherry, Illinois.

An explosion kills 263 at the Stag Canon No. 2 Coal Mine in Dawson, New Mexico.

91 miners are killed by an explosion at Pond Creek No. 1 in Bartley, West Virginia.

111 miners are killed in an explosion at the Centralia No. 5 mine in Centralia, Illinois.

An explosion at Orient No. 2 mine in West Frankfort, Illinois kills 119 miners.

05-09-2018, 04:01 PM	#1
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Coal miners are never going back to work... The politicians can give all the speeches they want and make promises they can't deliver. The simple fact is coal's future is dead.. It now cost $50 to produce a megawatt of solar power. Meanwhile it costs $102 to produce that same megawatt burning coal. https://www.businessinsider.com/sola...18-5?r=US&IR=T All the coal miners living in the past will still be unemployed next year and 10 years from now if they don't get off their asses and learn a new trade. This is why Trump was trying to place tariffs on solar panels because he like other Republicans would rather waste tax payers money and cause you to pay 2 times as much for electricity than to admit they are wrong. There will never be a new coal power plant built in the US.

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	We export our coal, it's the 14th largest U.S. export. Trumps goal is to export coal at high prices. Coal power is very third world. __________________ Skype: CallTomNow

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	There's about 50,000 total people in the coal industry. It would probably be cheaper to pay them all a living wage for the rest of their lives than to let the industry continue. What's Trump's next genius plan? To put all the asbestos back into buildings? __________________

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huey Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 3,675	This is where coal goes. 74% of the steel produced today uses coal. Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. ... Steel is an alloy based primarily on iron. As iron occurs only as iron oxides in the earth's crust, the ores must be converted, or 'reduced', using carbon. In 2014, the share of world energy consumption for electricity generation by source was coal at 40.8%, natural gas at 21.6%, nuclear at 10.6%, hydro at 16.4%, other sources (solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, etc.) at 6.3% and oil at 4.3%. Coal and natural gas were the most used energy fuels for generating electricity. I live in Vancouver and we have two coal ports. All the coal goes to China. One port loaded 1 million tons in the month of December for export. They are doubling their capacity as we speak for next year. Coal will be around a long time. __________________ opinions are like assholes................. "They aren't after me, they are AFTER YOU! Im just in their way" -D.J. Trump

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	The state of California is working on passing a law that makes it a requirement for all newly constructed homes to have solar panels installed. Coal is yesterday's energy source. Trump sold people a pipe dream.

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huey Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 3,675	Around 0.6 tonnes (600 kg) of coke produces 1 tonne (1000 kg) of steel, which means that around 770 kg of coal are used to produce 1 tonne of steel through this production route. Basic Oxygen Furnaces currently produce about 74% of the world's steel. What part of using coal for steel don't you guys understand. Till they start making Teslas out of plastic coal will be needed to produce steel. __________________ opinions are like assholes................. "They aren't after me, they are AFTER YOU! Im just in their way" -D.J. Trump

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