slapass

We have a huge issue.

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2...over-democrats

slapass

The article says the Democrats need to win by 3% to get the presidency. They blame gerrymandering onda concentration of the Democrats. Republicans are spread out. Then states do an all or nothing on the electoral college. This makes the states where you get them more important and more likely to get candidate visits and advertising etc.

baddog

Eliminate the EC and you will only see campaigning done in New York, California, Florida and Texas.

kane

Not true.

thommy

nothing new - i don´t know how many presidents US had who lost the public votes.
lottery would be a more democratic solution as what is called "elections" over there.

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baddog

You are wrong, but go ahead and explain why you think you are right.

kane

Let's base it on 2016 election numbers. This means a candidate is going to need around 66 million votes to win. A person would have to win 100% of the vote from the 9 most heavily populated states in the nation to get to 66 million votes. There is no way that will ever happen considering that half those states are red, half are blue and a couple are tossup states. At best a person could hope to get 50% of the vote spread out across those states, but lets say they managed to get 60%. That would be around 40 million votes. they still need another 26 million to win.

Both candidates will be forced to campaign around the country to get votes. Focusing just on the top four states like you proclaimed would result in a loss.

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LOL @ he's not my President

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Why dont you explain why he's wrong...

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just a punk

The United States have never been a democracy. They are republic.

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Bladewire

Says the AIDS infected cum filled asshole Russian cocksucking faggot living in a dictatorship that hopes to destroy Democracy

just a punk

Wow! Baby, I'm not a fag and I did my HIV-1/HIV-2 test about a couple of months ago. So don't try to lie again - it doesn't work w/o proof BTW when you did the HIV test for the last time? Especially after that homo sex you had in McDonald's toilet just 3 months ago ;)

As about you, so yes - you are a fag and you have AIDS. Everybody here knows that. That's why people call you Aidswire.

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pimpmaster9000

What is the point in having a one-party-more-than-a-dictatorship "rich only" election, when you can buy more "democracy" through lobbying? Thats not democracy at all...

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imabro

It's funny that the Russian understands our government better than you.

It is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

thommy

hmmm... this is the reason why it does not make sense to discus here.
I don´t know in what kind of school you guys went when you think that a constitutional republic is not a democracy.

Democracy
(Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, literally "rule by people"), in modern usage, has three senses - all for a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. In a direct democracy, the citizens as a whole form a governing body, and vote directly on each issue, e.g. on the passage of a particular tax law. In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. In a constitutional democracy the powers of the majority are exercised within the framework of a representative democracy, but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority, usually through the enjoyment by all of certain individual rights, e.g. freedom of speech, or freedom of association. "Rule of the majority" is sometimes referred to as democracy.[3] Democracy is a system of processing conflicts in which outcomes depend on what participants do, but no single force controls what occurs and its outcomes.

Republic
In American English, the definition of a republic refers specifically to a form of government in which elected individuals represent the citizen body and exercise power according to the rule of law under a constitution, including separation of powers with an elected head of state, referred to as a constitutional republic or representative democracy

Representative democracy
is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy. Nearly all modern Western-style democracies are types of representative democracies; for example, the United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy, France is a unitary state, and the United States is a federal republic.


So you still think US is NOT a democracy ????
are you sure YOU ARE AMERICAN ?

if so, then you already know at least now that your education system is failing miserably

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just a punk

Yes of course. The democracy is a power of majority. This is not the case of the USA. In the States the power of minority is also counted and protected (e.g. LGBT, colored people etc), which can't be tolerated by democracy (actually that's why slavery was a usual thing for democratic countries). Also there is no direct voting system. Yes, Americans have no right of a direct voice. As an example, the majority of the US citizens have voted for Al Gore, but Bush Jr. was elected. The majority of the US citizens have voted for Clinton, but Trump was elected. Do you see any evidence of democracy there? Buy new the glasses and go back to school, man.

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RedFred

A constitutional republic is a form of democracy. Do you even live in America?

just a punk

Communism is a form of democracy (I'd say it's a 100% democracy by its defenition). Fascism is also a form of democracy. And even Sharia Law is a form of democracy (not so much as communism but still it is). And that's not a joke. But once again for those who've got a US education in municipal schools: republic is not democracy. For many serious reasons. As I said above, communism (by Marx) is much closer to a pure democracy than a republic is.

Man... where did you get your knowledge, ah?

Let me be your teacher for today and show you a very simple example.

In the constitutional republic you have the 1st amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In the true democratic society the constitution is nothing. Only people have a right to decide which law will pass and which won't. So the Christian majority rules that the 1st amendment is nothing, because they are majority and they are the power. No other religions than Christianity, no freedom of speech for infidels, no petitions to the Government if they came from minorities like colored people, LGBT or people of other religions.

You must have a real mental problem if you can't see that huge difference between democracy and constitutional republic.

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RedFred

A Russian claiming communism and fascism are forms of democracy. The Putin form of education has served you well.

just a punk

1) Yes, I'm a Russian and I proud to be one. But who you are? An Indian? A native citizen of America or you're just a silly immigrant (a son of some silly immigrant) from Europe or Asia? A white son of a slave owner, right? Are you proud of it?

2) I've got my education many years before I even heard such a name as Putin. I have the Soviet education and I do consider it as the best one in the World.

3) Go read a definition of communism (a power of people commune) and a definition of fascism (a power of State) and you (uneducated балбес) will find out that both are based on democracy, while constitutional republic is not.

Wanna continue the lesson? Should I teach you something else? Go on, just ask...

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Bladewire

He has AIDS and syphilis is eating his brain not to mention his alcaholism has destroyed his liver. He thinks all Americans are as stupid as Trump supporters , who are a small minority of the American population.

thommy

i did not say that IT IS the case in the states. but IT SHOULD BE THE CASE.
but if you discuss with people who don´t even know that their system SHOULD be a democracy and instead thinking that a constitutional republic is not a democracy how can you blame them then when they vote for an idiot as their president?

an idiot can only vote for another idiot.

but let me tell you what. russia calls itself also a democracy. and? is it a democracy? no for sure not!

MAYBE the difference is that russians know that while some americans don´t even know that their constitution is based on highest democratic values.

but the funny part is: here we have 2 countries that call them self democratic but not one of them is even near a democracy and the one wants to teach the other something about democracy.

that's like two non-swimmers want to explain each other how best to win in a swim marathon.

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just a punk

Baby, mirroring someone makes you a loser by default - accept it already. You're a fag, not me. You have an AIDS, not me. You live in the country where AIDS treatment is a paid service, not me. Now just swallow it as you are used to do

No. Maybe somewhere in your alternative sci-fi reality, but Russia has never called itself a democracy. For all those 1000 years that it officially exists.

What do you consider as "higher democratic values"? For example, which "value" is more democratic: a direct or an indirect voting system? Guess which one is used in the USA and which one is used in Russia? Maybe we should speak about gays? They are minority in any country (about +/-4%). So which country is more democratic: the one where majority marginalize them, or the country where majority must accept the needs of the gay minority? These are two simple questions. Answer them for yourself please.

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slapass

Cccp or Ussr? Republic is one of those words right?

slapass

You are way off on what minorities want. Equality not special treatment is what we are striving for. I understand being Russian that is hard to understand. Gays don’t need special treatment, just equal treatment.

just a punk

The Soviet Union was a republic - right. But not a democracy.

Your English is worse than I thought. I was talking about the medical AIDS treatment. Course it must be equal to everybody and here in Russia it's really free - doesn't matter if you are a gay or a straight man. When I mentioned gays I meant that they are minority and the democratic majority would marginalize them, while in the constitutional republic the needs of minorities are tolerated by the majority. This is the deference between democracy and republic. Fuck, what do you learn in the US schools??? Some stupid bullshit like THIS ? Ok, now I see why you can't reach the outer space without Russian rockets...

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tony286

https://www.youtube.com/embed/90RajY2nrgk

Adam Ruins Everything - Why the Electoral College Ruins Democracy

just a punk

I haven't watched the video, but I will say it in short: because it's not a democracy by its definition. INITIALLY.

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Bladewire

↑↑↑ Proof of Russia's broken educational system

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baddog

You are quite the know-it-all aren't you? If it was the case, women and blacks could not vote, there would be no same sex marriage.

just a punk

Exactly. In the true democracy it would be a reality. That's because all these cases are (ta-dam!) non-democratic ones since they are against the will of the majority. Only a constitutional republic allows that, not a democracy.

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thommy

if only a direct democracy (as existing in Switzerland) is a democracy for you than YOU
should better go back to school.

the word "democracy" has NOTHING AT ALL to do with a government form.
It is a term for the majority of a people electing their government.

but THIS is not the case in USA because of gerrymandering - even when it is clearly defines in the constitution:

the US constitution does NOT start with "I the king" or "me the empereor" or "We the rich"... it starts with "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES"


here it is quite good explanation what I would not only recommend russians to read - also a lot of americans are lack in knowing their own country.

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baddog

[QUOTE=thommy;22323639]
but THIS is not the case in USA because of gerrymandering - even when it is clearly defines in the constitution:/[QUOTE]

You have become one of the funniest people on GFY.

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thommy

[QUOTE=baddog;22323644][QUOTE=thommy;22323639]
but THIS is not the case in USA because of gerrymandering - even when it is clearly defines in the constitution:/i can not say that from you.
but maybe for the most drunk you have a chance.

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baddog

[QUOTE=thommy;22323655][QUOTE=baddog;22323644]Sieg heil.

thommy

[QUOTE=baddog;22323669][QUOTE=thommy;22323655]we all know that you are a nazi - you don´t have to remind us

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slapass

A republic would imply more than one person running so it was not a Republic.

The US is mostly a Republic but certainly on local levels we have true democracy and even occasionally on the national level. It is hybrid.

just a punk

And which exactly one person was ruling the USSR?

Yes, it had a lot from democracy... As I mentioned it before, slavery was a normal thing for a pure democracy (a power of white majority over colored minority).

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slapass

This what you don’t get, the minority changes based on the issue. Rich versus poor, liberal versus conservative or rural versus urban. Everyone is more than just one label. So sometimes your idea wins and sometimes it loses as you vote ina representative who most reflects your values. You can win or lose on certain issues of the day.

baddog

You make some pretty idiotic assumptions there.

kane

Please enlighten and educate me.

RedFred

If the US wasn't a democracy you fucked up Russians wouldn't be dedicating your life to destroying it. The world knows you all hate democracies.

marlboroack

Fake fuckin' news dude

just a punk

It was. We all remember the slavery in the USA. It's a pure democracy, just like in ancient Greece. The white majority (maybe your father or your grandfather) used African minority as a free labor. You have a glorious democratic history, man.

But now the USA is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. Educate yourself.

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tony286

Watch the youtube video, its an eye opener. And not partisan, with some humor.

baddog

As far as assumptions?

Also you seem to assume that if a candidate does little campaigning that no one will vote for them. If that were the case, then those states that were ignored would just stay home on election day; right? So now you would only need 51% of those 9 states.

kane

Of course the other states will vote and even candidates that didn't bother campaigning in most states would still get plenty of votes there. My point is that if you focus your efforts on a few big states with the plan being that you will gain enough votes in them to offset any votes you may lose by ignoring the other states, it is a recipe for failure.