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thommy · 09-26-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

SecondFloor, I hope you see what thommy is telling you. he is telling you that he thinks his dog is smarter than you and your fellow Americans.

you do not have to tell him what i am telling him.
in opposite to you he is smart and understand what i write.

btw. why do you spend so much time here and spread your inner hate?
did the ugly old cunts you shot don´t want to work with you anymore or did you lose your job as university professor for teaching bullshit?

you can try as hard as you want - i will not take you serious. i just can see that you are a poor old and lonely fart who looks for enemies to get rid of the hate on your own miserable life.

take it easy - read a bit marx and engels - they will tell you how to be happy as a nobody.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:03 PM

wait, thommy claimed last week the markets were crashing 2018 q3 and 4. that was before I pointed out we are almost finished with q3.

now his doom & gloom has been conveniently rescheduled for 2019

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

you do not have to tell him what i am telling him.
in opposite to you he is smart and understand what i write.

are you really trying to claim you didn't compare your dog to Americans? you don't realize you wrote that right here in this thread?

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:08 PM

so thommy now claims he didn't write this:

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Originally Posted by thommy

if i let my dogs choose how often they get to eat, they would be dead after a few months. so they are not allowed to vote and are excluded from democratic rules and that is good for them.

to live with the fact that the voters are stupid and remain stupid doesn't make democracy grow but die.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:10 PM

take a knee Americans. Thommy's going to lecture us on how we need to behave like he demands we do. his failures are our fault.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

btw. why do you spend so much time here and spread your inner hate?
did the ugly old cunts you shot don´t want to work with you anymore or did you lose your job as university professor for teaching bullshit?

thommy, you sling porn traffic that you can't convert. you are not an upstanding pillar of your community.

SecondFloor · 09-26-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

you do not have to tell him what i am telling him.
in opposite to you he is smart and understand what i write.

Thommy - you're right - I read everything you said and I agree with you.

You made a good point about advertising, that people fall for cheap political tricks the way they fall for advertising schemes. Maybe this is part of the root of the problem. Wealthy capitalists don't really want well-informed citizens who would see through advertising techniques, consume less garbage, and vote in their own interests. They want people easily persuaded - even without facts or evidence.

I think the U.S. has this problem worse than others, but I also worry deeply about European countries going the same route - Orban's Hungary, Andrzej Duda's Poland, and other un-democratic trends in the EU. I think the motivations behind the far-right movements in Europe are often similar to those in the U.S.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 06:52 PM

when in the history of America has the public been well-informed? last I checked, our government has been functioning for 240+ years without any intelligence tests required for voters.

in fact, we're the leaders of the free world.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 07:01 PM

SecondFloor, where did you get your college degree?

SecondFloor · 09-26-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

when in the history of America has the public been well-informed? last I checked, our government has been functioning for 240+ years without any intelligence tests required for voters.

The vote itself is an intelligence test of how well a citizen can discern what is in the collective best interest of his/her country. Sometimes the voters have done a better job, and sometimes worse. I think what concerns me and Thommy is that in the U.S. we seem to be at an extremely low point in voter competence, and this is allowing politicians to outright lie, call facts false, and trick citizens into voting against their interest.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

in fact, we're the leaders of the free world.

Trump's America is not acting like a leader. In fact, Trump is open about his contempt for multilateral organizations like the U.N. How can the U.S. lead other nations when it is distancing itself from international cooperation? Trump is an isolationist, and a nation by itself can't lead anything.

SecondFloor · 09-26-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

SecondFloor, where did you get your college degree?

University of Oregon, in Physics

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

University of Oregon, in Physics

then you're smart enough to know that in your scenario that puts requirements like education on citizens to be allowed to vote, smart people in charge won't let porners vote. why would they? your education won't save you.

SecondFloor · 09-26-2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

then you're smart enough to know that in your scenario that puts requirements like education on citizens to be allowed to vote, smart people in charge won't let porners vote. why would they? your education won't save you.

No one is advocating that there be a test to determine voting rights. What we're saying is that public education needs to be a serious funding priority so that every person has the ability to fully understand issues that are critical to our governance. Stuff like macroeconomics, international diplomacy, and the critical importance of the scientific process in determining what is factual.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

The vote itself is an intelligence test of how well a citizen can discern what is in the collective best interest of his/her country. Sometimes the voters have done a better job, and sometimes worse. I think what concerns me and Thommy is that in the U.S. we seem to be at an extremely low point in voter competence, and this is allowing politicians to outright lie, call facts false, and trick citizens into voting against their interest.

Trump's America is not acting like a leader. In fact, Trump is open about his contempt for multilateral organizations like the U.N. How can the U.S. lead other nations when it is distancing itself from international cooperation? Trump is an isolationist, and a nation by itself can't lead anything.

educated people will conclude that porn is not in the best interest of the USA. porners won't get a vote.

my point was made regardless of trump.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

No one is advocating that there be a test to determine voting rights. What we're saying is that public education needs to be a serious funding priority so that every person has the ability to fully understand issues that are critical to our governance. Stuff like macroeconomics, international diplomacy, and the critical importance of the scientific process in determining what is factual.

again, none of that was required in the past 240 years during which America rose to be the leader of the free world.

SecondFloor · 09-26-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, none of that was required in the past 240 years during which America rose to be the leader of the free world.

Thats absolutely correct, but the projection of power isn't the only goal. One example: Right now the stock market is soaring, but we're going on over 3 decades of wage stagnation, in large part because of republican policies that have weakened worker protections and unions. Many of the blue collar workers hurt by these policies voted for their authors. This is where a better education could have helped them.

The fact that the average American worker is squeezed doesn't necessarily weaken economic might. I could have a very profitable slave plantation, but that doesn't mean all is well just because its successful.

The economy of today is vastly different than that of America 200 years ago, and many voters don't seem to grasp it. Today, economic might is not just what a country produces within its borders, but by its ability to cooperate with other nations and project soft power via diplomacy. The Trump trade and foreign policy strategies are way out of step with the modern system.

crockett · 09-26-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Yes everybody that uses the term "Globalist" is a Nazi. Lefty derangement right there. Just like the OK hand sign..

You're a dumb fuck.. Lmao.

Everyone you associate with perhaps..

Globalist is made up code word by white nationalists.. been used for years by them..

Yet of course we all know you are a recycled fake nick that was push extreme right wing bull shit here for years. Then each time you pop out of blue posting nonsense before the nick goes back into retirement..

..but we all know who you are... the hateful troll from the north.. Eonblue.

pimpmaster9000 · 09-26-2018, 08:55 PM

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in fact, we're the leaders of the free world.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

the worlds seems to think you are the #1 threat to global peace tho...awkward...

King Mark · 09-26-2018, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you subscribe to the doctrine of patriotism and 100% reject the ideology of globalism?

Absolutely

Change my mind...

thommy · 09-26-2018, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Absolutely

Change my mind...

without globalism you would not even write here. internet would not exist and possibly america would never been found and europe would still live in the middle age where only rich people could afford to pay for salt.

every step humanity took in the past was based on new influences, new trading partners, new visions, new friends and new ideas.

and this is not since the word globalism exists - this is since thousands and thousands of years.

dyna mo · 09-26-2018, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Absolutely

Change my mind...

for me, globalism means nations working together to solve global problems like migration, global warming, world hunger, poverty, trade, and peace/war. those things won't stand a chance of being put in a better direction if nations don't work together. that's part of what's so irksome about euros trashing Americans like you see here daily on GFY and what motivates trump to say shit like "why should we help people that don't like us"?

I get that part too. nevertheless.

King Mark · 09-26-2018, 09:41 PM

For me, globalism meant nwo type shit. Didn't look into all the indoctrinations and ideologies until like 15 minutes ago

King Mark · 09-26-2018, 09:48 PM

Yup, answer stays the same.

BaldBastard · 09-26-2018, 10:44 PM

you all might want to look up what the federal reserve is forecasting for US economic growth over the next three years.. very sad forecast as your moron in chief bankrupts America.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/mark...27-p506c1.html

MaDalton · 09-27-2018, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

Thats absolutely correct, but the projection of power isn't the only goal. One example: Right now the stock market is soaring, but we're going on over 3 decades of wage stagnation, in large part because of republican policies that have weakened worker protections and unions. Many of the blue collar workers hurt by these policies voted for their authors. This is where a better education could have helped them.

The fact that the average American worker is squeezed doesn't necessarily weaken economic might. I could have a very profitable slave plantation, but that doesn't mean all is well just because its successful.

The economy of today is vastly different than that of America 200 years ago, and many voters don't seem to grasp it. Today, economic might is not just what a country produces within its borders, but by its ability to cooperate with other nations and project soft power via diplomacy. The Trump trade and foreign policy strategies are way out of step with the modern system.

your posts are like beautiful flowers on a pile of cow manure

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

For me, globalism meant nwo type shit. Didn't look into all the indoctrinations and ideologies until like 15 minutes ago

Yes, global warming and poverty are fake inventions to push a secret alliance,the nwo.

Martin · 09-27-2018, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Everyone you associate with perhaps..

Globalist is made up code word by white nationalists.. been used for years by them..

Yet of course we all know you are a recycled fake nick that was push extreme right wing bull shit here for years. Then each time you pop out of blue posting nonsense before the nick goes back into retirement..

..but we all know who you are... the hateful troll from the north.. Eonblue.

Being an anti globalist, used to be a left wing thing in the late 90s early 2000s. Remember the riots and protest at the G20 summits? The Left used to be anti war too. What happened to that? The real reason they've abandoned all that is because Obama is black and Clinton is a woman. Thats it. Obama/Clinton got away with murder and lefties were silent. The only reason the loonie left dont like Trump is because he beat they Lady who they wanted so bad to be the first women president. Just so they could show the world "look at us, we're so progressive". Mean while we would probably be on the brink of WW3 with Russia and the middle east would be complete chaos would she have won.

Btw, who the flying fuck is EonBlue? Lol.

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 07:23 AM

hillary's a cunt and I'm the most liberal motherfucker here.

thommy · 09-27-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

for me, globalism means nations working together to solve global problems like migration, global warming, world hunger, poverty, trade, and peace/war. those things won't stand a chance of being put in a better direction if nations don't work together. that's part of what's so irksome about euros trashing Americans like you see here daily on GFY and what motivates trump to say shit like "why should we help people that don't like us"?

I get that part too. nevertheless.

this is one of your posts what i can agree to 100%

please more of that - i see you CAN

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

this is one of your posts what i can agree to 100%

please more of that - i see you CAN

I have no idea why you ignored my PMing you an olive branch months ago. but you did. I tried to compromise a solution for us to get along in that PM.

nevertheless, if you'd relax on your finger-pointing at Americans, maybe you'd realize how wrong you are about me because then I wouldn't be having to deal with your finger-pointing at Americans.

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

For me, globalism meant nwo type shit. Didn't look into all the indoctrinations and ideologies until like 15 minutes ago

Just a few of the NWO agreements and treaties trump has reneged on:

Global Compact on Migration
Paris Climate Accord
UN funding for Palestinians
International Criminal Court
UN Commission on Human Rights
Trans Pacific Partnership
Iran nuke deal

Are any of those a negative impact on you as an American patriot?

ilnjscb · 09-27-2018, 10:02 AM

My friends, globalism, both good and bad, is inevitable. There will be some kicking and fighting, but in the end we will be answering to a global government.

thommy · 09-27-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I have no idea why you ignored my PMing you an olive branch months ago. but you did. I tried to compromise a solution for us to get along in that PM.

nevertheless, if you'd relax on your finger-pointing at Americans, maybe you'd realize how wrong you are about me because then I wouldn't be having to deal with your finger-pointing at Americans.

1st. i will not send a screenshot of my PMs but just looked there - there is no PM from you

2nd. I am fingerpointing on whoever when I see a failure in the system. no matter if it is america, germany, russia or vatican-city.

when i read your own lines i can see that YOU KNOW that there are TONNS of failures in the us system. if a country wants to be a world leader it have to be the best example
for a functional system. self critics is the first step to understand that.

being able to criticize yourself and your own country would be such a role model function but you interpret that as a personal attack.
here it helps to put national pride far back and to look at things from an objective perspective.
and exactly there your problem lies with you because your national pride prevents you from doing so.

and this is where my criticism comes in because i don't have something like national pride I see myself as a world citizen and that makes me able to see things from every perspective. believe me we both are not that far from each other when it comes to basic ideologies - but think about this lines and you will see that you indeed have a problem with that mentioned point.

SecondFloor · 09-27-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Just a few of the NWO agreements and treaties trump has reneged on:

Global Compact on Migration
Paris Climate Accord
UN funding for Palestinians
International Criminal Court
UN Commission on Human Rights
Trans Pacific Partnership
Iran nuke deal

Are any of those a negative impact on you as an American patriot?

Yeah man, they definitely impact me. Here's how:

Paris Climate Accord - This affects all Americans because it affects everyone on earth. Even sticking to the accords, the world will have to deal with a projected 2 degree rise in temperatures that will raise sea levels and contribute to devastating natural disasters. Even the most right-wing capitalists should be concerned that, unless we combat climate change, coastal infrastructure will be destroyed. The coast is where the vast majority of US citizens live.

International Criminal Court - The purpose of the ICC is to prosecute people convicted of genocide, war crimes, and basic human rights violations. The United States has always claimed to be an ardent defender of human rights. If America wants to show its support of human rights is more than just lip service, it should support the ICC in its mission to convict war criminals and bring them to justice.

UN Commission on Human Rights - The purpose of this commission is to create a consensus between nations that an individual nation has been committing human rights abuses, and to take actions to stop it. This organization is largely toothless, and the human rights records of the members are dubious, but Its still useful for nations to address heinous crimes with a unified front. I can't imagine why any American (or any human with empathy) wouldn't want human rights abusers named and shamed by the international community.

Trans Pacific Partnership - The TPP was created primarily to pressure China to end its unfair trade practices, something which Trump's administration clearly thinks is a big problem. Rather than implement TPP, the Trump admin decided to withdraw and impose tariffs, the cost of which is passed to the American consumer. Now, instead of standing against China with the help of other nations, the U.S. stands alone, taxing its own citizens to wage an ineffective trade war with Beijing. This is of major concern to U.S. citizens who bear the cost.

Iran nuke deal - This deal, brokered by America with the involvement of many other nations, represented real progress in engaging Iran diplomatically to stop its Nuclear program. According to the accounts of the international inspectors, Iran totally complied with the deal, as did the other countries involved. Now, with the U.S. pulled out, the deal is in danger of disintegrating, and if that does happen, the whole world may have to deal with a nuclear Iran.

UN funding for Palestinians & Global Compact on Migration - You're right that these things don't really affect the average American citizen. But I think they affect people with empathy and compassion for their fellow humans who are suffering. Palestine is one of the worst places to be in the entire world right now. The West Bank is blockaded, Hamas has a stranglehold on the government, and the citizens there are struggling to get basic necessities like clean water and electricity. I can't imagine why anyone would want the people of Palestine to suffer because of a dispute they were born into. Similarly, I don't know why any American would want to willfully ignore the plight of refugees desperate for the bare minimum to survive.

SecondFloor · 09-27-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

when i read your own lines i can see that YOU KNOW that there are TONNS of failures in the us system. if a country wants to be a world leader it have to be the best example
for a functional system. self critics is the first step to understand that.

Totally agree with this. Admitting mistakes is not weakness - its strength. Its also necessary for positive growth. America should not be afraid to hear criticism, from its own citizens or anyone else.

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

1st. i will not send a screenshot of my PMs but just looked there - there is no PM from you

2nd. I am fingerpointing on whoever when I see a failure in the system. no matter if it is america, germany, russia or vatican-city.

when i read your own lines i can see that YOU KNOW that there are TONNS of failures in the us system. if a country wants to be a world leader it have to be the best example
for a functional system. self critics is the first step to understand that.

being able to criticize yourself and your own country would be such a role model function but you interpret that as a personal attack.
here it helps to put national pride far back and to look at things from an objective perspective.
and exactly there your problem lies with you because your national pride prevents you from doing so.

and this is where my criticism comes in because i don't have something like national pride I see myself as a world citizen and that makes me able to see things from every perspective. believe me we both are not that far from each other when it comes to basic ideologies - but think about this lines and you will see that you indeed have a problem with that mentioned point.

you seem to think I am incapable of realizing the issues plaguing America. The fact is I learned the hard way a long time ago that GFY is not the place to do that. I defend America here.

I sent my olive branch PM to you in July:

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

Totally agree with this. Admitting mistakes is not weakness - its strength. Its also necessary for positive growth. America should not be afraid to hear criticism, from its own citizens or anyone else.

not on GFY.

thommy · 09-27-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you seem to think I am incapable of realizing the issues plaguing America. The fact is I learned the hard way a long time ago that GFY is not the place to do that. I defend America here.

I sent my olive branch PM to you in July:

i swear you it is not there - but I don´t know about the functionality of this board.

til today you was on my ignore list. maybe the system does not send PMs in that case.
anyway - i removed you now and I hope we can start that thing again on a real discussion base.

that does not mean that we have to agree in positions but this is what a discussion is here for and i am really open to get thought-provoking emotions instead learning new insulting phrases (all my german hardcore insulting vocabulary is anyway not translatable)

deal ?

dyna mo · 09-27-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

i swear you it is not there - but I don´t know about the functionality of this board.

til today you was on my ignore list. maybe the system does not send PMs in that case.
anyway - i removed you now and I hope we can start that thing again on a real discussion base.

that does not mean that we have to agree in positions but this is what a discussion is here for and i am really open to get thought-provoking emotions instead learning new insulting phrases (all my german hardcore insulting vocabulary is anyway not translatable)

deal ?

Sounds like a good deal to me.

I do feel strongly that you come across like you blame a lot of good Americans for most things wrong in the world. I'm also not ever going to be able to explain things like guns or the electoral college or any of the other myriad of things that make America different.

King Mark · 09-28-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Just a few of the NWO agreements and treaties trump has reneged on:

Global Compact on Migration
Paris Climate Accord
UN funding for Palestinians
International Criminal Court
UN Commission on Human Rights
Trans Pacific Partnership
Iran nuke deal

Are any of those a negative impact on you as an American patriot?

I'd have to read a lot to answer that. I will when I do.

But for clarification, I am not a Trump supporter. He's a fucking idiot. But I wholeheartedly support my country.

DraX · 09-29-2018, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SecondFloor

Thommy - you're right - I read everything you said and I agree with you.

You made a good point about advertising, that people fall for cheap political tricks the way they fall for advertising schemes. Maybe this is part of the root of the problem. Wealthy capitalists don't really want well-informed citizens who would see through advertising techniques, consume less garbage, and vote in their own interests. They want people easily persuaded - even without facts or evidence.

I think the U.S. has this problem worse than others, but I also worry deeply about European countries going the same route - Orban's Hungary, Andrzej Duda's Poland, and other un-democratic trends in the EU. I think the motivations behind the far-right movements in Europe are often similar to those in the U.S.

I find it interesting you label Poland and Hungary as un-democratic and mainly what they've done is say no to immigrants that do not tend to be real immigrants. Have you missed all the news about Sweden, Germany, Holland and how immigrants are repaying the hospitality of these countries?

pimpmaster9000 · 09-29-2018, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DraX

I find it interesting you label Poland and Hungary as un-democratic and mainly what they've done is say no to immigrants that do not tend to be real immigrants. Have you missed all the news about Sweden, Germany, Holland and how immigrants are repaying the hospitality of these countries?

well you could put the problem in proper perspective by listing how many refugees/immigrants there are in europe and how many bad things they did...you would also have to compare what they did with the number of non immigrants and how many bad things the non immigrants did...

for example the sweedish government does not agree with you:

https://www.government.se/articles/2...ime-in-sweden/

BaldBastard · 09-29-2018, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DraX

I find it interesting you label Poland and Hungary as un-democratic and mainly what they've done is say no to immigrants that do not tend to be real immigrants. Have you missed all the news about Sweden, Germany, Holland and how immigrants are repaying the hospitality of these countries?

Do your same new sources publish statics on Polish and Hungarian immigrants in other countries ?

Like if I'm walking down the street in Germany and there's a Muslim gang on one side of the road and a Polish one on the other side, Are I best to cross to one side or the other.. or head to the middle of the road and run like fuck cos one groups as bad as the other.

klinton · 09-29-2018, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Do your same new sources publish statics on Polish and Hungarian immigrants in other countries ?

Like if I'm walking down the street in Germany and there's a Muslim gang on one side of the road and a Polish one on the other side, Are I best to cross to one side or the other.. or head to the middle of the road and run like fuck cos one groups as bad as the other.

there are no gangs on the corner of anyone in Europe, it's not America

some casual drunk violence, thats all.

thommy · 09-29-2018, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

for example the sweedish government does not agree with you:

https://www.government.se/articles/2...ime-in-sweden/

facts can´t make fake news sources profitable.
and facts lead to guilt that some can see in the mirror.
it is easier to believe lies than to understand the complexity of the truth

remember your own childhood. wasn't it the "black man" who comes when you are naughty?

what is happening here in the world right now is not least due to the internet because we are just starting to deal with each other and many things seem completely strange. it will take one or two more generations until we realize that the world is also full of individuals of whom not one thinks exactly the same as the other.

klinton · 09-29-2018, 06:53 AM

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I find it interesting you label Poland and Hungary as un-democratic and mainly what they've done is say no to immigrants

its not about these countries stance towards immigrants. Their governments took anti- democratic course, taking over all institutions in the country and tramping down the others.
Juidicial system, mass media, NGOs, military.Just to give as less independent course as possible. its a slow proccess, but in Hungary they almost succeed in what they wanted, in Poland its little different but still...step by step.
Something like a (much) lighter version of Putin's Russia or Erdogan's Turkey.

And yes, I oppose these changes and I consider these governemnts as idiots.

Also - as for the immigrants. I seriously doubt that they would even like to live in Poland or Hungary. Lower salaries, similar prices of many things to the western Europe - why even bother ? So all these talk about mass migrants blabla is bullshit, as noone wants to live in a country where you spend 80 % of your salary for rent and food, where you can live in a country where rent and food is maybe 50 % of your salary...
There are some migrants though in Poland already from India, Pakistan, maybe Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Morocco....I have nothing against them. But they are nothing in number though comparing to 2,5 mln immigrants from Ukraine (which is like 7-8 % of total Poland's population).

DraX · 09-29-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

well you could put the problem in proper perspective by listing how many refugees/immigrants there are in europe and how many bad things they did...you would also have to compare what they did with the number of non immigrants and how many bad things the non immigrants did...

for example the sweedish government does not agree with you:

https://www.government.se/articles/2...ime-in-sweden/

Oh you're taking facts straight from the official Swedish government website, it's like taking facts straight from the EU text book. Everything is fine according to them, did they not speak of the extra problematic zones that was none existent 15-20 years ago? How strange?! Did they not mention all the gang shootings by 1st gen and 2nd gen immigrants mainly from middle east, yes your Muslim friends that was none existent 15-20 years. How odd, how could that be, aren't the Swedish politicians aware of what's going on?

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Do your same new sources publish statics on Polish and Hungarian immigrants in other countries ?

Like if I'm walking down the street in Germany and there's a Muslim gang on one side of the road and a Polish one on the other side, Are I best to cross to one side or the other.. or head to the middle of the road and run like fuck cos one groups as bad as the other.

You worried about walking the streets in Germany while living in Australia?

You're not the slightest trustworthy.

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Originally Posted by klinton

its not about these countries stance towards immigrants. Their governments took anti- democratic course, taking over all institutions in the country and tramping down the others.
Juidicial system, mass media, NGOs, military.Just to give as less independent course as possible. its a slow proccess, but in Hungary they almost succeed in what they wanted, in Poland its little different but still...step by step.
Something like a (much) lighter version of Putin's Russia or Erdogan's Turkey.

And yes, I oppose these changes and I consider these governemnts as idiots.

Also - as for the immigrants. I seriously doubt that they would even like to live in Poland or Hungary. Lower salaries, similar prices of many things to the western Europe - why even bother ? So all these talk about mass migrants blabla is bullshit, as noone wants to live in a country where you spend 80 % of your salary for rent and food, where you can live in a country where rent and food is maybe 50 % of your salary...
There are some migrants though in Poland already from India, Pakistan, maybe Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Morocco....I have nothing against them. But they are nothing in number though comparing to 2,5 mln immigrants from Ukraine (which is like 7-8 % of total Poland's population).

Shame on them, fleeing from a war zone full to the brink with suffering, rape, murder, killing and from a financial perspective Poland and Hungary is not good enough. great argument klinton which also reveals the true problem, majority are not refugees but luxury immigrants.

pimpmaster9000 · 09-29-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DraX

Oh you're taking facts straight from the official Swedish government website, it's like taking facts straight from the EU text book. Everything is fine according to them, did they not speak of the extra problematic zones that was none existent 15-20 years ago? How strange?! Did they not mention all the gang shootings by 1st gen and 2nd gen immigrants mainly from middle east, yes your Muslim friends that was none existent 15-20 years. How odd, how could that be, aren't the Swedish politicians aware of what's going on?
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oh so you know better than the government of sweeden?

can you post some facts then?...no?...

I bet you will squirm around posting actual facts but find a great excuse as to why you can not...

BaldBastard · 09-29-2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

there are no gangs on the corner of anyone in Europe, it's not America

some casual drunk violence, thats all.

No that cant be true I read it on Murdoch media, there's gangs of muzzies everywhere, women of Europe don't go out any more and the men all stay home guarding their doors with guns.. in case the muzzies come knocking.. ask any Russian.. its FACT. they know

I mean.. just look at what's happening in Sweden

klinton · 09-29-2018, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DraX

majority are not refugees but luxury immigrants.

its obvious. but saying "luxury" is well, kind of... try to live in Africa/ North Africa for 200 euros as a family... so luxury NOT, economic - YES.
I see nothing wrog in that, too bad though that Europe is not XIX century US, where people actually HAD to work to survive

. too bad also thats not the USA, fresh country made by immigrants from all around the world, sharing similar values

09-26-2018, 06:03 PM	#52
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,941	wait, thommy claimed last week the markets were crashing 2018 q3 and 4. that was before I pointed out we are almost finished with q3. now his doom & gloom has been conveniently rescheduled for 2019

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,941	take a knee Americans. Thommy's going to lecture us on how we need to behave like he demands we do. his failures are our fault.

09-26-2018, 06:52 PM	#58
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,941	when in the history of America has the public been well-informed? last I checked, our government has been functioning for 240+ years without any intelligence tests required for voters. in fact, we're the leaders of the free world.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,941	SecondFloor, where did you get your college degree?

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King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	For me, globalism meant nwo type shit. Didn't look into all the indoctrinations and ideologies until like 15 minutes ago

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King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	Yup, answer stays the same.

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