American Bar Association calls for FBI investigation into Kavanaugh allegations

[Bladewire]

Even the ABA knows what's going down with Kavanagh is a cover up of his crimes.

"The American Bar Association called on the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday evening to halt the confirmation vote for Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court, saying it should not move forward until an FBI investigation into the sexual assault allegations against him can be completed."

American Bar Association calls for FBI investigation into Kavanaugh allegations

“The basic principles that underscore the Senate’s constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI,” ABA President Robert Carlson wrote in a letter to Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and ranking committee Democrat Dianne Feinstein (Calif).

The letter, which is unlikely to sway Republicans, said that an appointment to the Supreme Court “is simply too important to rush to a vote. Deciding to proceed without conducting an additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate’s reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court,” Carlson wrote in the letter, obtained by The Washington Post.

The ABA, with 400,000 members, is the legal profession’s largest organization. Kavanaugh and his supporters have bragged about its favorable rating of the nominee, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) describing the imprimatur as the “gold standard.”

Also calling for an FBI probe was Harvard Law School scholar Alan Dershowitz, often lauded by President Trump for his criticisms of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. “Maybe we can get closer to the truth, although that is not certain,” Dershowitz wrote in a Fox News opinion piece. “But right now there are too many unanswered question[s] to bring the confirmation of Kavanaugh” to “a vote of the Judiciary Committee as scheduled on Friday, much less to a vote of the full Senate.” It is “possible that one of them is deliberately lying. Right now, there is no way of knowing for certain, which is why the FBI needs to talk to the judge’s accusers and others.”

During Thursday’s tumultuous hearing, in which Christine Blasey Ford testified that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in 1982, Kavanaugh referenced his good standing with the ABA multiple times as he angrily denied Ford’s allegations.

[dyna mo]

common sense

[hottoddy]

No surprise. The ABA is merely a liberal advocacy group. They have no regulatory control over any attorney (or anything) in the US - that's the left to the state bar associations. When you become a lawyer, the ABA spams you constantly to join and then bombards you with credit card offers and other money making bullshit. No attorney takes anything the ABA says seriously. Most of the members are newbie attorneys who get freebie admission for the few years.

[crockett]

Added to this yet another of his former classmates came forward to say he lied his ass off about not getting shit faced drunk.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

No surprise. The ABA is merely a liberal advocacy group. They have no regulatory control over any attorney (or anything) in the US - that's the left to the state bar associations. When you become a lawyer, the ABA spams you constantly to join and then bombards you with credit card offers and other money making bullshit. No attorney takes anything the ABA says seriously. Most of the members are newbie attorneys who get freebie admission for the few years.

Yes, yes you must be right as one of the main functions of the ABA is to set ethical standards which Republicans have none so clearly a liberal org..

[Martin]

More lefty fuckin junk.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

No surprise. The ABA is merely a liberal advocacy group. They have no regulatory control over any attorney (or anything) in the US - that's the left to the state bar associations. When you become a lawyer, the ABA spams you constantly to join and then bombards you with credit card offers and other money making bullshit. No attorney takes anything the ABA says seriously. Most of the members are newbie attorneys who get freebie admission for the few years.

Do you assholes ever tell the truth about anything? The ABA has over 400,000 members, all newbie Attorneys...lol

[Acepimp]

HAHAHAHAHA The liberal loons are so gullible.

THERE'S NO WAY TO INVESTIGATE 36 year old allegations where the "victim" can't remember the date / location / who was there / who drove her there.

Just admit that this is simply about causing delays and keeping him off the court (to obstruct Trump).

Being honest with yourself is key to good mental health

PS- Judge K has already passed FBI background investigations 6 times

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

HAHAHAHAHA The liberal loons are so gullible.

THERE'S NO WAY TO INVESTIGATE 36 year old allegations where the "victim" can't remember the date / location / who was there / who drove her there.

Just admit that this is simply about causing delays and keeping him off the court (to obstruct Trump).

Being honest with yourself is key to good mental health

PS- Judge K has already passed FBI background investigations 6 times

sad to see you replace scientific fact with political "truth". but partisan politics does that to you.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

sad to see you replace scientific fact with political "truth". but partisan politics does that to you.

What scientific fact? He passed FBI investigations 6 times. They don't investigate teenagers groping each other. She can go to the local police.

Why did she bring her allegations to politicians and not law enforcement?

I recommend facts

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

What scientific fact? He passed FBI investigations 6 times. They don't investigate teenagers groping each other. She can go to the local police.

Why did she bring her allegations to politicians and not law enforcement?

I recommend facts

sorry, I should have included the scientific fact that trump defender Alan Dershowitz wrote that and thinks that::::::::

Alan Dershowitz: Postpone Kavanaugh confirmation until FBI can investigate accusations against him | Fox News

The Senate Judiciary Committee needs to slow down and postpone its vote on the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court until the FBI can investigate accusations of sexual misconduct leveled against him by three women.

The accusers and other witnesses should be questioned by the FBI and then be summoned to testify before the Judiciary Committee. All sides have an interest in a full and thorough examination of these serious charges.

Maybe we can get closer to the truth, although that is not certain. But right now there are too many unanswered question to bring the confirmation of Kavanaugh – currently a judge on the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia – to a vote of the Judiciary Committee as scheduled on Friday, much less to a vote of the full Senate.

In watching the riveting testimony of Professor Christine Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh Thursday before the Judiciary Committee – in which they both stated with 100 percent certainty that they were telling the truth – I was reminded of the story of the old rabbi who gave advice to quarreling married couples.

The wife began by complaining that her husband paid no attention to her, abused her, insulted her and demeaned her. After listening to her complaints the rabbi said: “My daughter, you are right.”

Then the husband complained about his wife being a bad cook, insulting and overly critical. The rabbi said: “My son, you’re right.”

The rabbi’s student assistant turned to him and said: “But rabbi, I don’t understand. They can’t possibly both be right!”

To which the rabbi responded: “My student, you’re right too.”

Is it possible that both Ford and Kavanaugh are truthfully stating what they honestly believe, but that one of them is honestly mistaken?

Ford could be mistaken about the identification of a teenage boy she barely knew about 36 years ago, despite her statement that she is certain it was a drunken Kavanaugh who shoved her onto a bed, tried unsuccessfully to take her clothes off, and put his hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming.

If Kavanaugh actually did the things Ford alleges – something he vehemently denied again Thursday – he might honestly not remember the events that Ford described, especially if he was as drunk as she says he was.

It is also possible that one of them is deliberately lying. Right now, there is no way of knowing for certain, which is why the FBI needs to talk to the judge’s accusers and others.

Realistically, it is unlikely that the Senate will proceed in the manner of a court of law, because political truth has replaced scientific truth in our highly partisan age.

It’s obvious what Kavanaugh’s motive would be in lying, but motive doesn’t necessarily establish actions.

It is less obvious what Ford’s motives might be in lying, though it is certainly possible that there are ideological or other factors that might drive her to try to keep Kavanaugh off the Supreme Court.

Because Ford has presented no corroborating evidence to back up her allegations, we can only speculate as to what – if anything – happened between her and Kavanaugh all those years ago, when both were high school students in Maryland.

So it is unlikely that objective people will be able to decide – as a matter of scientific fact – what the truth is based on what’s known at this point.

In addition to the story of the old rabbi, the great 1950 Japanese film “Rashomon” comes to mind, with its story of four people who give contradictory and self-serving accounts of a man’s murder and the rape of his wife. The film examines the meaning of truth and justice.

In theory, the Judiciary Committee and the full Senate should try as best as possible to arrive at the truth, by placing the burden of proof on the accusers – not the accused – even though it is Kavanaugh who has been nominated to the Supreme Court.

Accusations as serious as those made by Ford and others against Kavanaugh – which allege he was guilty of criminal conduct – should not stand without clear and convincing evidence of their truth in a nation where the courts presume an accused person is innocent until proven guilty. An FBI investigation might provide more evidence – either favorable or unfavorable to Kavanaugh.

Right now, the testimony of the two witnesses has created a credibility tie. Such ties are best resolved by looking at corroborating evidence. At the moment, Kavanaugh has the better of the corroborating evidence, especially the statements by the other people who were allegedly at the party where Ford claims Kavanaugh attacked her. But that could change after a full and thorough FBI investigation and further testimony.

Realistically, it is unlikely that the Senate will proceed in the manner of a court of law, because political truth has replaced scientific truth in our highly partisan age.

Kavanaugh couldn’t be stronger in his denials of every allegation of sexual misconduct made against him, saying again Thursday: “I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone.”

Unfortunately, the decision of the Senate – closely divided between 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats – will be based largely on the political dispositions of senators rather than on any desire to arrive at objective truth.

Political considerations may not be the deciding factor for a handful of senators. But they will be for the vast majority, who either plan to seek re-election or are considering running for president.

The stakes could not be higher both for senators and for our nation. If Kavanaugh fails to win a Senate confirmation vote – or if his nomination is withdrawn – his legacy, his career and his very life will be wounded beyond repair.

No matter what else the judge does in life, he will always be remembered for the accusations made against him by Ford and three other women (one anonymous) publicized around the world in the media. The anonymous fourth accusation by a mother about her daughter seems too vague to pursue.

The same is not quite true for Ford. Even if Kavanaugh is confirmed and seated on the Supreme Court, Ford’s life will go on and she will be a hero to many. That is what happened to Anita Hill, who made accusations of workplace sexual harassment against Clarence Thomas 27 years ago before he was confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Hill went on to a professorship and a distinguished career as a sought-after speaker, especially in feminist circles.

The nation will survive regardless of whether Judge Kavanaugh becomes Justice Kavanaugh. However, it is likely that President Trump will nominate an even more conservative replacement for recently retired Justice Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court if Kavanaugh is not confirmed.

The real danger of the whole Kavanaugh episode – even if he is narrowly confirmed after enduring harsh attacks on his integrity and honesty – will be in the willingness of others to subject themselves to this kind of a painful confirmation process for the Supreme Court and other high-level federal government positons.

The benefit may be to warn young men, especially in this age of the Internet, that what happens in high school and college doesn’t stay in high school and college.

In the end, a tough choice will have to be made by the Senate and it is likely it will be made based largely on partisan considerations. This is not America’s finest moment.

[tony286]

"The benefit may be to warn young men, especially in this age of the Internet, that what happens in high school and college doesn’t stay in high school and college."

Being foolish when youre young and sexually assaulting someone are two very different thing. lol
Also they will turn over roe vrs wade, women will die. Look at the history before abortion was legal. That's all the righties think about , not that also the more right the court was the pro big business, fuck the little guy they go. Again voting against their own best interests and short sighted.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Even the ABA knows what's going down with Kavanagh is a cover up of his crimes.

"The American Bar Association called on the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday evening to halt the confirmation vote for Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court, saying it should not move forward until an FBI investigation into the sexual assault allegations against him can be completed."

American Bar Association calls for FBI investigation into Kavanaugh allegations

“The basic principles that underscore the Senate’s constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI,” ABA President Robert Carlson wrote in a letter to Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and ranking committee Democrat Dianne Feinstein (Calif).

The letter, which is unlikely to sway Republicans, said that an appointment to the Supreme Court “is simply too important to rush to a vote. Deciding to proceed without conducting an additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate’s reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court,” Carlson wrote in the letter, obtained by The Washington Post.

The ABA, with 400,000 members, is the legal profession’s largest organization. Kavanaugh and his supporters have bragged about its favorable rating of the nominee, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) describing the imprimatur as the “gold standard.”

Also calling for an FBI probe was Harvard Law School scholar Alan Dershowitz, often lauded by President Trump for his criticisms of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. “Maybe we can get closer to the truth, although that is not certain,” Dershowitz wrote in a Fox News opinion piece. “But right now there are too many unanswered question[s] to bring the confirmation of Kavanaugh” to “a vote of the Judiciary Committee as scheduled on Friday, much less to a vote of the full Senate.” It is “possible that one of them is deliberately lying. Right now, there is no way of knowing for certain, which is why the FBI needs to talk to the judge’s accusers and others.”

During Thursday’s tumultuous hearing, in which Christine Blasey Ford testified that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in 1982, Kavanaugh referenced his good standing with the ABA multiple times as he angrily denied Ford’s allegations.

He is a nut job, yelling about clinton revenge. Also you didnt do it, you say yes please get the FBI involved to clear my good name , not dance around. This person is going to be on the court for life. Which is scary.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

sorry, I should have included the scientific fact that trump defender Alan Dershowitz wrote that and thinks that::::::::

Alan Dershowitz: Postpone Kavanaugh confirmation until FBI can investigate accusations against him | Fox News

Originally Posted by tony286

He is a nut job, yelling about clinton revenge. Also you didnt do it, you say yes please get the FBI involved to clear my good name , not dance around. This person is going to be on the court for life. Which is scary.

Guys, all of the people who she says were at these parties have made sworn statements under penalty of felony. They ALL say she's mistaken. Ford said that someone burst in the room and interrupted Kav- that person says its bullshit. And it was Ford who didn't want to make statements under oath for some reason.

And now 2 other guys have said THEY were groping Ford at the parties.

Sure, let's delay the appointment for months so the FBI can investigate

The vote's about to happen, sorry libs

[dyna mo]

i see you wax past the fact this is a job interview, acepimp. you're comfortable with the temperament of this candidate for the gig after that outburst yesterday? regardless of how the candidate's temperament was exposed.

[Acepimp]

Ok let's wait a week so they FBI can investigate.

I predict they'll clear him for the 7th time & he'll be confirmed

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Ok let's wait a week so they FBI can investigate.

I predict they'll clear him for the 7th time & he'll be confirmed

Thoughts on his temperament, now that you know it?

[Bladewire]

Brett Kavanaugh's emotional outbursts and constant screaming and crying at yesterday's confirmation hearing proves Kavanaugh doesn't have the temperament or integrity to be a judge of any kind.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i see you wax past the fact this is a job interview, acepimp. you're comfortable with the temperament of this candidate for the gig after that outburst yesterday? regardless of how the candidate's temperament was exposed.

It is not a job interview.

[huey]

So after a week, if the FBI finds nothing and says there is no reason to doubt Kavanaugh. Will everyone of his doubters on this board be satisfied and be ok with him being approved to be a supreme court judge?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

It is not a job interview.

what did they call a candidate being interviewed for a job in the olden days?

[kane]

Originally Posted by baddog

It is not a job interview.

What do you consider it?

[kane]

Originally Posted by huey

So after a week, if the FBI finds nothing and says there is no reason to doubt Kavanaugh. Will everyone of his doubters on this board be satisfied and be ok with him being approved to be a supreme court judge?

I'll be as okay as I am likely going to get. I don't want him on the Supreme Court because I don't agree with him politically, however, I blame Feinstein for much of the drama surrounding all this. Had she come forward with this when she first got it there could have been a longer, better investigation. All that said, if the FBI comes back and says there is nothing of any merit to the allegations then I don't see why it shouldn't move forward. It will be one of those situations where I won't like the outcome, but I will accept it.

[dyna mo]

baddog should call his senator and update her as well that according to him this is not a job interview

[Phoenix]

I wonder if they will investigate who her father is

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by kane

I'll be as okay as I am likely going to get. I don't want him on the Supreme Court because I don't agree with him politically, however, I blame Feinstein for much of the drama surrounding all this. Had she come forward with this when she first got it there could have been a longer, better investigation. All that said, if the FBI comes back and says there is nothing of any merit to the allegations then I don't see why it shouldn't move forward. It will be one of those situations where I won't like the outcome, but I will accept it.

Feinstein stuck it to the Repukes and they cry like babies live on national TV.

Did you see the cutaway where Feinstein was smiling as Kavanaugh was crying live on national TV? Epic!